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OK ... we did and here it is! ? We went to the club -- our first EVER experience in the LS -- this past weekend. It's in what was certainly warehouse space behind a chain furniture store on one of the major roads (Bragg Blvd) in Fayetteville. The street in front is reasonably well lit and there's ample parking in a shopping center lot across the street. (The same person/group owns the warehouse and the shopping center, so it's OK to park there.) The club offers a round-trip shuttle bus from/to about a dozen hotels in the area, which indicates to us that they must get a lot of out-of-towners. Once you step inside, it's easy to forget that it's a converted warehouse. We thought the facilities were nice. There's a good-sized dance floor with a stripper pole; PLENTY of seating for eating/meeting/talking; a small room in the corner of the main area that offers a little more privacy due to the fact that you have to enter through "love beads" hanging from the ceiling; an interesting dungeon where the curtains can be closed OR left open; coolers where you can keep your beer or white wine cold; a bar where the bartender will hold your non-cold drinks for you so you don't have to keep up with them all night; lockers for which they provide the lock and key; and some beds -- also with curtains -- that face the main floor for those couples who might want to get "frisky" around a larger crowd. There was an ample supply of pretty good food and a soft drink dispenser. At midnight, they changed out the corn dogs, chicken & pasta, and meatballs for bacon, scrambled eggs, biscuits, and gravy. There's a DJ booth and he played an interesting mix of music all through the night. Maybe the most interesting thing was the shadowbox ... a room where whoever's in there can be seen from the dance floor only in silhouette/shadow. All kinds of activity went on in there, some involving both sexes and other involving only women. You can see plenty of pics on their Web site (YKW| NC Swinger Clubs | Fayetteville) In the back of the place are the various playrooms. They all have a theme (e.g. Las Vegas, 80s) and some of them have not only a bed but another play area such as a swing, sofa, or love chair so two couples can share the room without having to share the bed. There are also two Sybian rooms; a sex machine room; two rooms with a plexiglass wall between them for watching what goes on; a theater with mattresses where they show XXX movies all night; and gloryhole rooms for both men AND women. (Don't wanna leave the ladies out!) In the middle of all this is a dance platform with another stripper pole, couches to watch whoever's dancing, and another DJ booth. The pole got plenty of action during the night, and it wasn't just from the females! ? Again, you can see pics of all this on the Web site. As for the staff, they were as friendly and courteous as could be. All first-time visitors were given a tour and a glow bracelet and we guess it worked, because most of the times that a staffer passed us, they made sure to ask how we were getting along and if there was anything they could do for us. The owners also made it a point to stop by our table to introduce themselves and welcome us to the club. We were surprised by just how low a percentage of the people who were there actually had sex. There was some dirty dancing, hot kissing, and groping in the public areas, and after about 11:00, the playrooms were occupied constantly without much turnover. We DID see some sexual activity out in the open, but it seemed to us that the majority of the people there came just to party in an uninhibited atmosphere and then take it home. The only negative thing we'd say is that the club should maybe turn down the lights in the back play area to help create a sexier atmosphere. Having said that, we realize they might not be able to do so due to safety issues and/or fire department regulations concerning evacuating the building. Overall, we found the club to be a great place to visit and we can certainly recommend it to anyone in central NC who's looking for their first exposure to the LS. PS We've posted another thread more about our personal experience in the First Swinging Experiences forum.

This past Saturday, we had our first *tiny* foray into the LS ... we visited an on-premise club (You Know Where in Fayetteville, NC). We just wanted to let everyone know how it went ... hope it won't bore you! Things started out badly ... nothing major, just that when we called for them to send their hotel shuttle, they said it wouldn't start. No big deal ... we just called Uber. We were greeted immediately upon entering and directed to a PC to register and then to a window where a nice woman took our membership and entrance fees; issued us our membership card; and gave us glow bracelets indicating it was our first time there. We waited less than five minutes for our tour, which we took with another couple and a single female. The guide showed us every corner of the place; told us where we could and could NOT have sex; demonstrated how the machines work; explained the rules for the playroom doors and chains; and answered all of our questions. Once he let us go and wished us a good time, we checked our wine with the bartender (another nice young woman), got a locker key which required a $5 refundable deposit, put our stuff away, and walked through the back play area again just to take in everything at a slower pace. We returned to the main floor, poured ourselves two glasses of wine at the bar, and hit the buffet table. Within five minutes after we sat down to eat, the owners -- Chris and Annette -- came over and introduced themselves. They were really cordial and said to please ask for them if we had any problems that the staff couldn't handle. So we had been there less than an hour and things were off to a good start. For the rest of the night, we alternated amongst snacking; wandering around the main floor to see if we could catch anybody's eye and make introductions; and checking out the back to see if we could get a room and/or watch any action. Very few people spoke to us, but we didn't really feel like they were being deliberately unfriendly. We just think that a lot of them know each other and truth be told, we didn't go out of our way to strike up a conversation either. So now we know that next time, we need to take some of the initiative. One man *did* ask me to shake my butt for two women he was with, and another young woman across the room asked me why I stopped doing it so quickly. And the same man caught us later on and thanked me for doing it, telling us he hoped we'd had a good time and would come back. But the fact that we didn't meet anybody didn't put a damper on the night ... we STILL had a blast! We drank a whole bottle of wine; danced with our hands on each others butts; made out in a sort of semi-private room in the corner of the main floor and groped each other (breasts and below the waist) right in front of three other people who were in there. During our makeout session, I even got a hard-on with those other people watching us ... giving me the hope that maybe I won't have performance anxiety the first time we get naked for sex in front of other people. The only disappointing thing was that we never managed to snag a playroom for ourselves -- they were occupied solid from 11:00pm on -- because we REALLY wanted the experience of having sex knowing that people were walking by right outside the door. But we were sufficiently turned on by the whole atmosphere and being so openly "touchy/feely" with each other that when we got back to our hotel at 1:30am, we were rarin' to go and had a great session together. In conclusion, since we didn't hook up with anybody, I guess we'd have to call this a "swinging" experience ... but we consider the night a success and we're already looking forward to going back. Maybe something will happen on a future visit and we can take the quotes off of "swinging". ;-) PS We've posted a report about the club itself in the Swinging at Clubs, Socials, and Hotels forum.

The easiest way is to talk with her. Ask her what her fantasies are and be ready to tell her yours. Work on increasing and improving the big three: love trust and communication. Take your time but see if she is interested in making any of her fantasies come true (some women aren't) and if she is, start with some of the easier ones and work your way forward. Try buying her some sexy clothes and ask her to wear them (somewhere safe like out of town so she won't worry about being seen). She's been a 'mom' for the last 18+ years...it's time you reminded her that she is also a sexy woman and it's okay for her to let that woman out. Good luck and let us know how things go...

Hi, everyone. I’m new here and need advice. My husband and I are 31 with three kids and want a change in our life. We were talking about swinging and decided to try it. We went on couple of drinks with nice looking couples and they said that they would like to swing with us. And here the problem starts. My husband started to feel down saying that he has nothing to offer the other women, that he is below average down there and that he is not good looking. That what if we meet with someone and he can’t get it up. I assured him that what he is saying is not true and that he is very good looking but he still feels down about it. I can see that it turns him on and that he want to try it but his thoughts are blocking him. How can I help him to be more confident and that he gain self-esteem? Thanks.

Freddie, you’re becoming such a Queen. LOL

GoldCoCouple Thank you sincerely. She asked for me to read my message and any replies when I told her about this site. She understands what you are saying and asked my opinion on it as well. We keep an open dialogue and will continue to do so. She is good with putting the brakes on and continuing dialogue. Things will work out, they always do one way or another.

Bring her to my house, I'll take care of it. Seriously. I think it's all about you. When was the last time you spanked her, said something dirty to her for no reason, or commented on how fucking sexy she is? Ask her to flash you, be playful, admiring and let her know she's a hot MILF. Read a sexy story to her about threesomes or slut wife or cuckolding (if that's your thing). Go out to dinner and a crowded location and play a game of "who would you fuck?". Pick out men for her and see if it's a yes. Don't expect her to do that, but get her thinking about it. Be playful. Talk about fantasies and don't be afraid to be honest and open with your fantasies. So you have anything you'd like to do that's not her sleeping with other men, but is personal to you. Open up. You might be surprised by her willingness to share in your fantasies. I think a lot of us men, have fantasies for our wives, but aren't willing to take risks about our own fantasies. Good luck, oh, and share a photo or two and what the heck, think about bringing her to my house.

Congratulations! It sounds like a great evening. You took the plunge, you were comfortable enough to play albeit just moderately, you certainly felt the vibe and the experience got your blood flowing. You can't do that at the local theater watching this years Christmas movie. We've has a number of experiencee like that and found the erotic nature a great part of the fun whether we hooked up or not. For us it's a lot about the excitement of it all.

Two people = one couple. Just wish there were more couples like that who went. That's what we like most about Desire RM (well, that and the friendly naked people...and the environment...and the jacuzzi...and well, most everything else) No, just make sure that everyone knows what the limits are beforehand. Then start with that. I'm sure that will probably change as you proceed. When we first started, we (like so many others) had a no kissing rule because we were both concerned about being jealous but when the time came it was like no big deal. The thing is you don't know how either of you will feel until you are in the moment. Would I mind watching Ms. Gold and Ms. Toedipper play knowing I wasn't 'allowed'...not a bit.

Geee, I dunno. You could just talk to her about it. My guess is there's a pretty decent chance she might have gotten a piece or two of strange over the years anyway. Good luck in your attempt to bring the slut out in her again.

On the walk back into the center of town she seemed as sad as I felt. "You'll marry me, won't you," she asked. I can assure you that was the furthest thing from my mind a the time. I wasn't even sure I ever wanted to fuck again. That was a sentiment that lasted about a week. I snuck a sleeping bag out of my parents' house and we snuck into a local cement plant that was (slightly warmed an illuminated by the pilot light on a furnace. This time the sex was exciting and amazingly pleasurable. With the motivation of the young and lust-filled on a path of discovery, we continued to find ways to have outdoor sex through the Western New York winter. It was nice when winter turned to spring and then to summer. We fucked out in the woods on afternoons or the local golf course when we snuck out at night. We finally broke up in the summer between junior and senior year, when I want off to Boys State for a week and she fucked the guy who took my place as a junior attendant at senior prom. She was teary and regretful when she broke up with me. I was elated! It felt like the weight of the world had been lifted from my shoulders. She was super neurotic but also very bright and talented. In the fullness of time she became a casting director in Hollywood. She was also a published poet. It annoyed me when she would occasionally write poems about our adolescent relationship. I wish I could tell you that I loved her, but I don't think I ever did. But the sex never failed to be great. I went to college in the Northeast and she in Buffalo. She wrote me the steamiest erotic letters and when I was occasionally back in Western New York we always got together for sex, even if it was late at night after I'd been having sex with another woman over the course of the evening. Eventually she married and so did I, but we continued to have episodic sex for at least two decades. It was always overwhelmingly hot. It made her talk crazy -- almost out of her head -- when we were finished and that made me want to be elsewhere. Ultimately I decided my sexual relationship with her was just too unhealthy for me and for her as well and one of us had to put an end to it. Which I did. I think it hurt her some but continuing to have sex with one another was hurting us both. We are still in touch and maintain a semi-cordial relationship. She's retired from Hollywood but in her 60s took up stand-up comedy. I've seen her clips on You Tube and she's pretty good. I don't expect we'll see her in a Netflix special any time soon, but she gets paid a bit to perform. I didn't set out to tell the story in this detail and depth; really, I was just going to say it was when I was 15 on a really cold night on the porch of a church. I have been at times in my life a professional photojournalist and writer, but this is the first time I've ever written down the story of this first romantic relationship.[/QUOte Wonderfully written, what a story. Thanks.

Jackson Wellsprings, just North of Ashland OR... is clothing optional (CO) in the evenings. Check the website for the schedule. https://www.jacksonwellsprings.com/ Note that their website clearly states "Sexual behavior is prohibited." ... but I am fairly sure there are some LS folks who frequent that facility. Try some web groups, such as: NW Naturist https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/NWnaturist/info ... try also: https://www.google.com/search?q=nw+naturist+usa ... which includes a number of resource sites. A bit NE of Eugene OR is: The Willamettans https://willamettans.wildapricot.org/ ... which is a "Family Nudist Resort" (established more for "nude recreation")... so not a LS resort. Oregon has a number of Nude / Naturist / Nudist friendly sites (including Hot Springs & Mud Baths / Springs, as well as Beaches) that are unregulated (so maybe a bit risky), you just have to search them out. The State of Washington & California are very similar. There are some very organized "Naturist" webs: AANR https://www.aanr.com/ TNS https://naturistsociety.com/ ... which will lead to lists of clubs. Just be sure you are well informed what the rules are (wherever you go). Most dedicated "Naturist" facilities look poorly on any sexual activity (that can be seen). East of Ashland OR is a Rock Quarry / swimming hole that is known for "nude camping", but it is a bit uncontrolled, so rather risky. http://ashlandtrails.com/activities/rock-quarry/ ... a general search: https://www.google.com/search?q=Ashland+OR+quarry+swim+Naked There are Lifestyle Friendly "Nude Resort" type places... just none that I know of in the PNW. For pure Swinger type facilities, see: https://www.swinglifestyle.com/swingers/clubs/ ... I'm just not sure if there are many outdoor LS resorts in the PNW. I realize this is an old thread, but just in case... (an update).

Cannot feel it when the Mercury drops.

Yes, great review, thanks for sharing that. Makes me want to go

"I prefer you."

Am I the only one that thinks this is a ridiculous question? I have had sex with my wife for 20 years. On any given session it can be ok, just getting through it, good, amazing, mind blowing, think-about-it-all-week. The factors that determine which of those is the case is a list so long I couldn't post it here or you would all get bored and log out. A few: I had a mild headache. She had one. She was recovering from a cold. We watched a very hot movie. The kids weren't home. We had just the right amount of foreplay. The moon was out. I got a good end of the year review. My football team won. She got a compliment at work that put her in a good mood. She had a bad experience at work that set her off for the rest of the day. You get what I'm saying? At any given time the stars can align and have an amazing sex session with my wife. The same is the case with other people in both directions of it being just ok, or fantastic. Was he better is a ridiculous question and the answer is not set based on who the sex was with. Did the stars align for that period of time? That's the question and it has little to do with skills.

There are a few things I've learned through our experiences: 1. There is so much more complexity to love and bonding than just sex. Nobody is going to toss down their long time partner just because they had great sex with someone. 2. There is so much more to attraction than the size of a penis, or the shape of breasts, etc. It's not even CLOSE to being 100% physical. We went to an adult resort in the spring where everyone was naked and the bodies were all over the place in terms of size and shape. I remember one lady (not my wife) looking at this chiseled gym rat that was exuding arrogance and she looked at me and said 'you are 1000 times more attractive than him'. I have a regular average body. These feelings he is having are irrational, but they are totally real. Just reassure him of your deep connection and love for him. Do soft swap first too. My wife is a stunning beauty. She is WAY out of my league and most of the people we have met in this lifestyle's league if you want to measure it strictly in that way. But when I was hospitalized a few years ago and had wracking fever chills, she lay down on top of me on the hospital bed to warm me up the best way she knew how. It was at this moment I realized the depth of her love, and when I get insecure I remember that moment and how there is NOTHING that could happen in a couple hours of physical fun with another couple that would change that.

Cannnn... Anybody... Find Me... Somebody to... Loveeeeeeeee I know, it has nothing to do to the thread but the line "When I say he needs a relationship I mean it would be great if he found someone to love" just popped the song into my head and this is my attempt to get it back out.

Thank you, glad you enjoyed the write up. I may do one at a club on a night they allow a lot of single males, maybe that would be a way for Ms. Gold to get to experience it.

While we don't know if this will ever happen for us, it is one of Ms. Golds fantasies as well. Thanks for sharing it with us!

I spent my time relaxing between rounds or going down on CB, as soon as there was a knock on the door I put my blindfold back on, CB put my hand restraints back on to my neck collar,then the next guy walked in and fucked me. I had fun, just wish more had showed up so that I could have had one finish and another one immediately replace them. Overall it was fun and I want to do it again, just with more participants.

I have been trying for years to get my wife to become a Hotwife. We have had experience swinging before and she has played alone one time with the male half of the couple but that was years ago. Best experience ever!

Charlie will definitely be there. Would never consider doing anything like this without him present.

We just got back from spending 4 days at Paradise Lakes and had a great time. The facilities were very clean and neat. Staff very friendly and helpful.

It was 1969, I was 16, almost 17 and had a 1961 Rambler American that had a front passenger seat that folded all the way down. My girlfriend was 15 and we had been dating about 4 months. We both attended a catholic high school, she was a varsity cheerleader. We had spent many hot evenings making out in that car on Skyline Dr in Reading Pa. The road winds along the top of a small mountain with numerous dark and secluded parking areas that, until the windows got steamed, provided beautiful views of the city lights and the suburbs out to about 10 miles. I don't remember the date (she would Im sure) but it was a Friday night in late May, we were parked at our favorite overlook on Skyline Dr, WFIL was playing softly on the radio and I finally got her shorts off and my hand inside her panties. This time was different from our other make out sessions, this time she actually got my dick out instead of just rubbing it off through my slacks. After awhile, I got her shirt and bra off and finally saw and tasted her small hard nipples. So there we were, my pants around my ankles, her wearing only panties, very damp panties at that. We were making out like mad when she came up for air and said, "I want to". She then slipped her panties off and I rolled on top of her. There was a lot of fumbling around and I nearly came when my dick rubbed around her light brown bush. Eventually, I found the opening and entered her. Needless to say, I didn't last long, 5 or 6 strokes, and came inside her. As we cuddled afterwards, she said it hurt some but she liked it enough to have a second go that night. I lasted longer and it hurt less for her. What an amazing night!! Needless to say, we both went to confession the next day but for the life of me, I couldn't honestly say that I was sorry for committing the sin of fornication! We dated for a few more months and Im surprised she never got pregnant. She asked her mother to allow her to go on the pill and not only did she say no, but she made life so miserable for us both that we eventually broke up. It took us some time to get over it and find others but we eventually did. Still, I never hear Eddie Holman singing "Hey there lonely girl" that I don't remember that girl and that night on Skyline Dr. Fast forward 35 years. My dad died and I went back to Reading for the funeral. She came to the viewing, older of course and a bit heavier but I recognized her right away. We talked, caught up a little but in the press of family and friends, I couldn't stand and reminisce. I eventually went back to the Hampton Inn for the night. About 10:00 there was a knock on my door and there was my cheerleader. We talked for hours, ended up in bed and had a wonderful reunion. She left about 4:00 am to go home to her live in s/o. This time, I didn't go to confession the next day! I don't think she did either.

Our pathway into the LS came from going to a nationally accredited nudist resort in Castro Valley, California. We didn't go there expecting to get laid. Far from that, Mrs Afterwork is well known to have said, "a nudist camp, the next thing you will want to do is group sex!" Mr Afterwork is also well known to have said, "not at all, it is just a place to camp and they control who comes in there unlike the creepy state park campsites." Certainly the national associations promote a family friendly place and yet it has a population that is made up of a far more couples than families. We were young and stupid...and certainly naive. We thought how neat it was that so many of the folks tended to group their tents together way up in their secluded campsite. How community of them and how friendly. Really looking out for each other. We took to the nudism like ducks to water. Never worried about getting an erection, uh well until we met a couple that was out to seduce us. That is a whole story of a ten month effort on their part to finally bust our cherries. But later we discovered that several couples (once they gain confidence in you) can and do suggest after hours partying that certainly becomes full swap. Another thing, the nudists cannot be nude all the time at the resorts. Weather, time constraints, periods, work effort, etc, etc, means that a lot of investment to travel to the resorts can end up not having the same result. However most of the nudists that you meet will either invite you to their house or you ask them to yours. We have attended several nudists "house parties" with most of them ending up as LS parties as the crowd thins. We mentioned one other way to enjoy nudism without going to a nudist resort. Make a private place at your home and invite friends over. Be quirky, and post a sign. NO TEXTILES ALLOWED IN HOT TUB. Hey, if they want to enjoy the tub, they will go nude. Statistically, once they go nude they either freak out and scream out of there or they just get relaxed and wonder why they every wore a suit in a hot tub. The next step is to "please excuse and physical reactions by the guys (generally offered by the hostess) sporting erections while enjoying the tub....they can't help it anymore that the ladies have hard nipples. Sorry guys, if we ladies get wet, you just won't be able to tell, ha ha. The tub is just so relaxing...." We have seen this lead to otherwise calm, stated folks, start making out right in front of you. That would be your clue to do likewise. Sometimes that leads to soft swap, maybe a little exhibitionism of oral sex switching back and forth from your guests changing positions to enjoy each other; and then sometimes a spontaneous swap of trading with the hosting couple. Hey, the nudist resorts will have folks that want to swing. Still takes an investment to find out who. Then you have to be really careful that you are snagging onto an STD...use safe sex. We have been at this sense the 70's and have found that we like to know more about the folks before we jump their bones. We sort of like the use of our swimming pool or hot tub to use as a hurdle to see just "how relaxed a couple might be" to be involved in a sexually tone situation. Nudity, after all, in a private environment implies a sexuality...does it not? (no answer required, just nod your head yes). Real surprise for us was when a neighbor and his wife watched us receive a hot tub for our back yard. They were immediately extending their own self invitations to come enjoy the hot tub. We said no problem, just we don't allow textiles in the tub. They didn't even look at each other and just replied, "Best way." They were there for the first use of the tub and before the night was over we had fucked each other in so many configurations. Amazing. They had been our neighbors for years and we had no idea that they wanted to swing. They did later admit, that they thought we might be swingers as they had seen our really close friends come over for all nighters several times a month. Good luck with your search....but consider making your own intimate resort.