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Don't mind a bit! After many years of marriage, we got to a point where we started talking more openly about our sex life and some fantasies that include other people. At some point, our female half wanted to include toys when we're together and we've had lots of fun with that! During a short stay in Amsterdam, we went to the Red Light District just to see what it's all about. When we returned home, I (the male half) started researching to see if there's a swing club in our hometown where we could go just to watch. That's when I discovered both this Web site and SLS. The SLS site listed You Know Where (YKW) -- along with other NC clubs -- and it's less than 90 minutes from us. We started talking about what we'd like to get out of a visit to this place and if we could ever actually do anything just between us in front of other people. It turned out that we both had some curiosity about voyeurism and to a lesser degree exhibitionism. The more we talked, the more we both discovered that the other one had some desire to experience things beyond just V&E with other couples, so we joined SLS and started actively looking for what we think are compatible matches. We also made one visit to YKW and joined their member site, and we're slowly making some contacts with other members. At this point, we haven't had any physical interaction with others, but we're hopeful that it will happen one of these days either at the club or through a connection we make on SLS. And that's our story!

There is an active post entitled "What makes an unforgettable blow job?" How about a discussion about what makes receiving oral unforgettable for a woman? My list: - I like getting oral while lying on my back on the bed while you kneel on the floor. Let's get comfortable first. - Don't turn me down just because someone has recently been down/in there. I may not be fresh, but I'm always clean. My girls don't have a problem with it. If it's good enough to put your dick in there, it's good enough for your mouth (except my bum; you don't have to lick my bum hole). - Don't jump in immediately. Start by looking and admiring everything I have down there: my hair, my outer labia, the coloring of my inner lips, my clit, my vaginal opening. Turn the desk lamp on, shine it on my pussy, tell me how beautiful it is. - Once you get started, use both your lips and your tongue. Go back and forth measuring my response. - My clit is big, but please don't suck on it like you're trying to suck the life out of it. - Alternate between slowly putting full tongue pressure on my clit, especially from the left and right with quickly flicking across it. - It's nice to have your tongue occasionally go across the opening of my vagina, but trying to stick it inside like a dick is not going to work, it's too small. - Gently slip your index and middle fingers into my vagina. - Even more gently and once some juices have run down, slip your ring finger into my bum. - With your other hand, play with my tits while your licking and kissing my pussy. Don't squeeze my nipples too hard! You can be a little rough with my breasts overall, but just gently brush across my nipples. - I usually don't give instructions while getting oral, but if I do, listen and follow directions. - Continue whatever you are doing at the time I come well through my orgasm. And don't be backing off because something is shooting out of there, sometimes it happens. You should be flattered. - Remember that unlike you (if you're a guy), me having an oral orgasm isn't going to diminish my capabilities for penis-in-vagina intercourse. - After I say "stop," Stop! You can keep your mouth on my pussy, but don't try stimulating me for like two minutes. After I recover we'll decide what we're going to do next - more licking, fucking, moving on. - Optional - I'll get on all fours on the bed, you get underneath and lick/kiss me while I take a dick doggie. You can skip the fingering steps above. You can play with one of my tits, but leave one for the other guy. I'll suck your dick/lick your pussy for a while, but the closer I get to cumming, it's all me, I need to breathe.

So, someone in chat - who shall remain nameless - asked me if I liked giving oral and if I was good at it. Well, yes, I replied I like giving oral pleasure, but I honestly don't know if I am any good at it, LOL. Hubby says I am, but that's like asking if I am fat...how else is he supposed to answer? That convo got me thinking, what makes a great blow job? I've heard it's enthusiam, but suspect technique has got to have something to do with it! Give me your best tips for making a blow job mindblowingly unforgettable. Was there a technique she used? Ladies, what's your signature move? Guys, do you like it nice and sloppy, suck hard or soft or mix it up? Do you like a little touch down below? Like your balls worshipped? Personally, I like to nibble around the head and when very excited...while getting fucked for instance, I tend to bite harder at the base. I supposed this move is more for me than him, but hey, what else is a girl to do with a cock in her mouth while having an orgasm? I am really wanting to step it up a notch in this department and set myself apart from the pack. Very much looking forward to any assistance you sexy people can offer!

Ok, I just pulled up SLS and of course the first page is the listing of random ads near you or something like that and some of the pictures that went with those ads just got me thinking so I had to come and post this. Why is it that when people post pics with their ads they pick the post awful pictures? I mean, do they not look at them? Just on those 10 matched ads, here's what I saw.... Webcam shots of a couple that looked completely pissed off.... or in the case of the guy made him look like someone you don't want to piss off. A picture of a woman lying on her back in water... the picture chopped her head off (which is ok, I understand why people do that), but the bad part was that since she had rather large breasts and the pic was taken at an angle, it looked like one was fake and floating on top of the water while the other was real...flat and sinking. One woman evidently felt that all she had to show off was her cleavage, because that is is ALL you can see in a picture of her wearing a black dress... make that 3 pictures of her. Perhaps we need to put together some tips for how to take pics for an ad, maybe. So what things have you seen (besides the obvious crotch shots), that make you wonder why these people opted to use THAT shot?

Hi all! Anyone else cruising this wonderful new ship next year?

So.... I usually am with crowd that says you shouldn't fret over sizes, etc. Most men worry about their wife having a man with a larger cock and then somehow them not measuring up to that afterwards. I'm not worried about that. My wife has had a previous boyfriend before we were married that was huge. My question is this -- if we play with a couple that we are acquainted with... he's VERY big. I'm 1000% average US male. Maybe a little on the low side of average but still in there. Anyway.... I'm a little intimidated that his wife is going to be completely underwhelmed after having a guy regularly that is huge at home and then experiencing a dude that is completely average. I know I know.... I don't normally worry about this stuff, but in this case there is a huge difference, and she's used to the monster. :p Ladies? Thoughts?

Does anyone keep a journal or anything like that to keep track of people you've played with or contacted? We've both got a serious case of CRS and sat down to try and remember what has happened over the past 4 years and we found ourselves referring back to emails, texts, and photo's!

Pick a motion, a theme, a rhythm & stick with it for a while. Contantly changing the approach and tempo disrupts the vibe.

Our profile states clearly circumcised only. First time freaked me out. Second time grossed me out. This of course is personal preference and meant to be offensive to anyone uncircumcised. This is one of the things where I prefer what I am accustomed to.

At least he is honest. Swinging is rarely the foundation of a relationship. A solid relationship is foundational for happy swinging. There is no ambiguity on chicken and egg here.

I am guilty of asking the question. We just had our first experience with a woman. I didn’t feel threatened about a dudes size or how long he could go, I was more interested in how good it was when she went down. When I asked I just wanted to know if she enjoyed it. I enjoyed watching another nude woman in our bed. My wife answered that it was alright. Just alright? She seemed to like it a lot. I pushed it for a better answer. She said she was very nervous. Anxious. I had noticed she seemed uptight at the time. So much was going on, nude, sex, touching, kissing, me being touched and touching this woman. Then she said she was used to how I do things and it was different. I said that is the excitement being different. Then she flipped the question. I was kind of honest and it was exciting. Can’t say it was better.

Awe, how sweet! If I might make a suggestion? Take your time and enjoy each new level completely.

Might not be enjoyable for you but I have received some very enthusiastic responses for doing just this. You have made an excellent summary of great cunnilingus. I will take it as an valuable tutorial and urge others to give it a proper consideration.

If you don't like drama, and don't want any. Just be honest with folks! And if you really are the alpha type, you shouldn't be afraid to be honest.

Hello, Petra here. Why are all of the responses to this thread discussing what makes it good for the guy? For me, as a woman giving a blowjob (to completion), what makes unforgettable for me is: - He's already been in a pussy, mine or preferably another woman's, but hasn't yet come (see below); - He's totally flaccid (I like getting it all in my mouth to start and feeling him expand); - He is not too long. A good blow job-size dick for me is short, but thickness doesn't matter - the opposite of what I like for anal where thinness is preferable and length doesn't matter. - He lets me have control. I don't like it when a guy is thrusting his dick into my throat. I can deep throat some, but it doesn't make it good for me. I want to do it my way with a lot of tongue and take it farther down when I'm ready. Be patient and I can take it all the way. - He lets me know when he's going to cum, because: - I take all of his semen in my mouth; - I hold it in my open mouth (to me the taste is anywhere from neutral to good), roll it around with my tongue for him and anyone else who's interested to see what I've done (naughty girl); - I make a show of swallowing. - Optional - Instead of swallowing, I like to snowball (pass the semen back and forth between our mouths before swallowing) by either kissing him or another woman. (I like to do it with another guy, but guys don't. Hubby's done it for me twice though.) - Also option - Having someone fucking me or licking me while doing the above. I prefer giving blow jobs while upright (kneeling, standing, sitting) for control so I prefer doing cowgirl, reverse cowgirl or sitting on his/her face if it's going to be me doing these simultaneously. Doggy can work as well.

OK ... we did and here it is! ? We went to the club -- our first EVER experience in the LS -- this past weekend. It's in what was certainly warehouse space behind a chain furniture store on one of the major roads (Bragg Blvd) in Fayetteville. The street in front is reasonably well lit and there's ample parking in a shopping center lot across the street. (The same person/group owns the warehouse and the shopping center, so it's OK to park there.) The club offers a round-trip shuttle bus from/to about a dozen hotels in the area, which indicates to us that they must get a lot of out-of-towners. Once you step inside, it's easy to forget that it's a converted warehouse. We thought the facilities were nice. There's a good-sized dance floor with a stripper pole; PLENTY of seating for eating/meeting/talking; a small room in the corner of the main area that offers a little more privacy due to the fact that you have to enter through "love beads" hanging from the ceiling; an interesting dungeon where the curtains can be closed OR left open; coolers where you can keep your beer or white wine cold; a bar where the bartender will hold your non-cold drinks for you so you don't have to keep up with them all night; lockers for which they provide the lock and key; and some beds -- also with curtains -- that face the main floor for those couples who might want to get "frisky" around a larger crowd. There was an ample supply of pretty good food and a soft drink dispenser. At midnight, they changed out the corn dogs, chicken & pasta, and meatballs for bacon, scrambled eggs, biscuits, and gravy. There's a DJ booth and he played an interesting mix of music all through the night. Maybe the most interesting thing was the shadowbox ... a room where whoever's in there can be seen from the dance floor only in silhouette/shadow. All kinds of activity went on in there, some involving both sexes and other involving only women. You can see plenty of pics on their Web site (YKW| NC Swinger Clubs | Fayetteville) In the back of the place are the various playrooms. They all have a theme (e.g. Las Vegas, 80s) and some of them have not only a bed but another play area such as a swing, sofa, or love chair so two couples can share the room without having to share the bed. There are also two Sybian rooms; a sex machine room; two rooms with a plexiglass wall between them for watching what goes on; a theater with mattresses where they show XXX movies all night; and gloryhole rooms for both men AND women. (Don't wanna leave the ladies out!) In the middle of all this is a dance platform with another stripper pole, couches to watch whoever's dancing, and another DJ booth. The pole got plenty of action during the night, and it wasn't just from the females! ? Again, you can see pics of all this on the Web site. As for the staff, they were as friendly and courteous as could be. All first-time visitors were given a tour and a glow bracelet and we guess it worked, because most of the times that a staffer passed us, they made sure to ask how we were getting along and if there was anything they could do for us. The owners also made it a point to stop by our table to introduce themselves and welcome us to the club. We were surprised by just how low a percentage of the people who were there actually had sex. There was some dirty dancing, hot kissing, and groping in the public areas, and after about 11:00, the playrooms were occupied constantly without much turnover. We DID see some sexual activity out in the open, but it seemed to us that the majority of the people there came just to party in an uninhibited atmosphere and then take it home. The only negative thing we'd say is that the club should maybe turn down the lights in the back play area to help create a sexier atmosphere. Having said that, we realize they might not be able to do so due to safety issues and/or fire department regulations concerning evacuating the building. Overall, we found the club to be a great place to visit and we can certainly recommend it to anyone in central NC who's looking for their first exposure to the LS. PS We've posted another thread more about our personal experience in the First Swinging Experiences forum.

Kind of gave up hope at "alpha battle".

OP you referred to singles as “worthless toys.” That’s offensive and speaks to your mindset. It shouldn’t take sugar coating to say you are seeking a single male for a one night stand only. Your plan starts with deception, and somehow you justify your lying. You also posted another story about you and your wife going to a vanilla bar to pick up a single male for the first time and somehow ended up in a threesome with a woman you barley spoke to. I am having a hard time believing it. From what I hear unicorns are rare so it won’t likely happen again. You actually sound like a troll trying to get a reaction out of people.

What a train wreck. Be honest, be respectful, and don't be a peeping tom. That's just creepy.

When you are in a hole - stop digging.

I couldn’t agree more. My wife and I are total newbies. We are still working on having our first experience. However, we would never even THINK to pull what you are trying to pull. It’s dishonest, unfair to the unsuspecting partner, borderline illegal due to the filming and simply cruel. The main reason my wife and I are considering the lifestyle is because it forces us to communicate, be honest with each other, and honest with whoever we would decide to eventually swap with. What you are doing is WRONG. Your wife is absolutely right to tell the truth. I think you need to come to terms with your feelings of being the alpha, and truly look at yourself and whether you are truly ready to go down the path and be in the LS. Your path should be built on honor, respect, and above all, honesty. You are embarking on a path of deceit. Please reconsider your path moving forward.

In your mind singles are simply a toy, worthless...we are human beings too. Somehow you think it is okay to lie to someone, film them without their knowledge, all the while focusing on her. Ever heard of honesty? I am not sure what the LS means to you, but this is a shit show.

We are 100% condom compliant for full swap. We realize that condoms are not fully protective against HPV and HSV. We get tested annually. We don’t ask for others’ tests, because if they have sex once after the test, the results are worthless. You have to be lucky in this hobby.

I had my first male/male encounter in an MFM threesome about 40 years ago. What a surprise, when my VERY straight friend cupped my balls & stroked them while I fucked the young lady with us. The ice broke, & we spent the whole night taking turns fucking her as we stroked & sucked each other in between. The next morning, I felt amazing, & more completely my sexual self. & I have done it many times since.

I've both sucked dick (and swallowed) as well as having been blown by guys. It's been in particular situations with two particular guys and their wives. In the situation it was fun, but it's near the bottom of my list of sexual activities and not something I seek out.

You have the right mindset for it. Take it slow the first time enjoy every minute. When his head first passes your lips, you'll be hooked. Especially when you get the smell of the nuts. For me it is when the head goes down my throat and my nose end up in his pubic hairs. I was hooked. It's very addictive.

I'm straight & have sucked cock & had mine sucked. Was a great experience, making him cum.

Paul, Apparently I missed something, what does LIDS stand for? Thanks Lori