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The thread convolves faith--sets of beliefs that are not amenable to scientific verification -- and teachings, which can include sets of expected behaviors. Such convolution has been with us since the beginning of religion, which of course combines faith and teachings. The teachings have typically been used to guide (read:control) the behaviors of the faithful. The control often breaks down--example Catholics and contraception--when there is an inconsistency between reality and teaching. Controlling sexuality has been part of the teaching for many if not most major religions. It doesn't work. Example--Catholic clergy. Swinging is an accommodation that respects the institution of marriage while allowing for sexual variety. Swinging need never challenge faith, it inevitably challenges teaching. What matters is how swinging affects your/your partner's life views. Divorcing monogamy from commitment (how's that for a brain twister) requires rejection of teaching but may in fact support your faith. If you wake up in the morning, embrace your partner, and say with meaning "I love you more than anyone else in the world", what else matters?

Its not a swingers club. Its a lifestyle club

I think since she has described a swing club, take a chance and bring her. They are so different than what people imagine. She might actually enjoy it, especially if there is no pressure from you to do anything more than take a look.

Are there Cliff Notes?

my wife has a trimmed bush and i love it. im not a fan of ladies who have waxed or shaved it all.

I'm not too much into BDSM, but have just used simple straps and belts, also ball gags. Again, not too deep into this, but some times; usually with another woman.

It started out as a simple search for someone to have sex with my wife in front of me while I watched. That was no problem. There were hundreds of men willing to have sex with my wife. It took a lot of effort for both of us to find a compatible playmate. We took many chances. We had many unsatisfactory experiences. We wanted desperately to have our fantasies fulfilled and were ready to give up until we met HIM. I had to talk her into doing it one more time. She agreed to give it one more try and swore that if it was another bust that the fantasy was over. It was far from over. It was the beginnings of the best sexual experiences of our lives. Her first experience with him was her fantasies come true. It was the most perfect and unexpectedly perfect experience that exceeded any of our fantasies. I came without touching myself from watching them. She came for the first time just by being penetrated over and over by him. I had never brought her to that level and I felt jealous but happy for her at the same time and wanted her to have that experience again. I was happy to see her being sexually fulfilled He wants her to have a gang bang. She is ok with whatever he wants to do and so am I. She has experienced him and one of his friends but he is looking for more.

(TL;DR : we had a perfect 4th date, MFM) So, after three dates with a wonderful couple, we had our first MFM threesome last weekend. One month ago, we have met a very nice single man online. To be precise: he is a half of a couple and has a hall pass. This story proved to be genuine, she even is the photographer for his (very nice) profile pics. In a spur of the moment, MsDiscover then had a solo vanilla (more or less) date with him, to test the waters. She still liked him so we agreed to have a date in the near future. Another event took place around the same time: my birtday. And my girl decided to give me a weekend away in hotel and two weeks ago she told me part of that weekend would be this threesome. Even after all those years, she can totally surprise me. Last Saturday started with packing all the luggage and we did some shopping. We really like hotel dates, no issues with kids and unplanned visits and we can leave all the mess behind. At the other hand: a date at home would mean everything is available in the fridge, kitchen or whatever. Now we were dealing with a suitcase with mineral water, juices, glasses, cups, nuts, cookies, chocolates and what not We left home, brought the kids to the grandparents and off we were. MsD was driving and smiling, knowing I did not know what to expect. We arrived at a very nice luxurious hotel in The Hague and checked in. The room was spacious and classy. We prepared ourselves and the room for the date. Wine, juices, beer, water in the fridge. The rest on the table. Lubes, toys and condoms on the nightstands. She took a quick shower and got that last shave. Then I took a shower myself and when I returned to the room, I was met by another pleasant surprise. MsD looked stunning. She was dressed in a black lace corset, which accentuated her nice curves. Nice stockings on her beautiful long legs. Hair topped up, a silver necklace and her nicest silver earrings. Finally she put on a simple but beautiful little black dress and high heels. I was dressed in a black suit, pink shirt and tie and new black shoes. It already was the best birthday party ever! He whatsapped in our group he had arrived and I went to the lobby to meet him. He is a man who loves casual cloths but to surprise MsD he was dressed in a black suit and tie this evening. We were both smiling and a bit nervous when we walked to the room. "Darling, we have a guest", I announced when I entered the room. He was pleasantly surprised when he saw MsD in her little black dress and greeted her. She kissed him and laughed and complimented him on his suit. It broke the ice and we chatted a bit. He even brought me a present, a box of expensive chocolates his wife bought for me & the occasion. Like we already knew from former dates, it was tough for us to switch from vanilla chatting to sexy time but when she and I stood up, me behind her massaging her shoulders, he took the hint and started to kiss her and touching her amazing body. When he touched her legs and thighs and moved up, he discovered she was not wearing anything underneath and started to discover her bare pussy. And he did that well, I felt how she started to be weak in her knees. Button for button, strap for strap, he undid her corset and helped her out of her stockings. A bit faster as expected, we imagined to first enjoy each other while she would be partly dressed in her beautiful lingerie, but we were all too horny to care at this point anyway. And so he and I quickly undressed too. Now she was naked, standing between two naked tall men, a rock-hard dick in each hand. Stroking, caressing, teasing. I took a step back to give them more space to discover each other. She caressed his dick and I handed him a condom. She is not very fond of blowjobs, only did that to me a few times in the last 13 years, so both he and I were very surprised when helped him putting on the condom, bended over and started to lick him. I started to caress her pussy and found out she was already very very wet. I also took a condom and we changed position, she standing bent over between us, he is feeling up her pussy and ass, she is giving me a blowjob. An amazing sight. As it became harder and harder for her to keep on her feet, she leaded us over to the king-size bed. Lying on her back as a princess, a man on each side. Was this how I always had pictured how it would be? You bet it was. Even better than I ever could have imagined. I really looked forward to massage her, together with him. Four hands all over her beautiful body. A fantasy we had shared for so many years. I stroked her hair, her cheeks, kissing her, whispering how much I loved her. Meanwhile, he started to give her oral, discovering her pussy with his tongue. I watched how her expression changed, how she started to blush and how her eyes seems to darken. Away were the plans of a slow massage. Suddenly he got up, positioned herself between her legs and placed his dick onto her pussy. With one swift move, he impaled her. She gasped for air and tried to meet his trust. It was a feeling of pleasure mixed with pain for her but when I looked up in her eyes, I only saw lust so I was reassured. I got very horny myself too, it was so erotic to see another dick in her for the very first time. Any regrets about how fast this went were gone and I gave myself over to this emotional roller coaster. He alternated between fucking her hard and skillfully giving her oral, meanwhile I caressed her tits and clit. At a point, I left the bed and took a chair to watch this great show. I never had felt such strong and wonderful emotions, to see and hear how she enjoyed it all. After she climaxed, they paused for a while. He and I started to finger her pussy and ass, three, four fingers. My fingers, his fingers. Deep in her ass or massaging her lips. Then she got on her knees. He was in front of her, she took him in her mouth again, licking and stroking his cock and balls. I positioned myself behind her and pushed my dick in her cunt. She felt so open and warm, never experienced her like this. His large dick really had made a difference. And I liked that. She kept blowing him, I fucked her from behind, massaging her ass and back. At one point, I asked him if he wanted to switch positions. I remember how I thought how strange but wonderful it felt to offer another man to fuck my girl. I pulled out my dick and he replaced me quickly and started to fuck her hard from doggy style. He then turned her over and fucked her missionary for a while, her legs on his shoulders to give him full access. Her head was over the edge of the bed and I stood next to her. She started to jerk my now bare dick, all while she was fucked by him. And I had a hard time not to come all over her right there when I saw all that lust in her face. So I backed down a bit laid myself next to her. She was on her knees again and gave me a perfect view of her pussy being pounded mercilessly. I massaged her clit and she quickly came again. We paused again and he took a shower. We drank some wine, beer and juices. The three of us in one bed, completely at ease like we know each other for years. Not for four weeks. I started to massage her tits again, her nipples getting harder with each stroke. He positioned himself between her thighs again and pushes his dick in her again. She raised her legs, I grabbed them and hold them close to her chest to give him maximum access and to pin her down. She moaned loudly, while saying "Oh, you do me so good!" to him. I offered her my dick and she started to suck me again. After fucking her like this for a while, he took a break to drink some water and I asked her for a 69. She lowered herself on my face and I started to lick her while she took care of my dick. I was amazed how she felt now, I never saw her pussy so swollen and opened. I started to lick her clit and she started to moan again. When I offered him to fuck her in that position, he was hesitant at first but I imagine it was the sight of her lustful body that pulled him over this threshold and from very very close I saw how his dick glided into her cunt again, pushing out lots of liquids as I could feel on my face. It was the hottest thing I had ever done and it felt amazingly good. He then switched to anal but this was a bit too quick. She nearly passed out from the pain and we had to stop. At this point, we were all very sweaty. Time to take a shower and as a good host I offered them to shower together. I knew how she would love that. And she did, although he was a bit shy since this was the first time he did this. When finished, they returned to the room and I took a shower myself. When I returned too, we all started to fuck again for a good hour, in several positions. Anal proved to be too painful for her after the mishap earlier on, but we had a terrific time nevertheless. After another break, they were laying next to each other, her head against his chest, chatting about swinging and experiences and stuff. His cock was still hard, covered in a hideous but funny green condom. She started to stroke him, tantric style. Slowly, touching, stroking, for over half an hour. Meanwhile, I was behind her and stroked her labia and clit. Again, I felt how incredibly swollen and wet she was. I presumed that until this date, he was always the guest that had to preform, to be the bull. This time, we wanted to give him equal pleasure and he seemed to had a difficult time to let it all go, to let go of trying to control it all. And to also focus on himself. But of course in the end she managed to let hem float away in his feelings and brought him to an orgasm. When they both calmed down, I entered her cunt bare and started to fuck her hard from behind, spooning. She came immediately, gushing all over my balls and legs. It did not take long to shoot my first load deep in her but I kept on fucking her. After a while I came for the second time and collapsed. Liquids everywhere. After another shower, we rested a bit on the bed, chatting and eating nuts, drinking wine and beer. He got dressed and left after a while, we looked out of the window into the dark night together to see him leaving in his little red car. Exhausted, we felt into a deep sleep together in each others arms. She woke me at 7 am the next morning to have the most amazing re-connection sex until we had to check out at 11. It was an amazing date.

You basically have three choices. You can continue to lie to your daughter and keep swinging. You can quit You can be honest about it and let it go. Just because she talks to her therapist should in no way effect you swinging or not. Do what you have do to. We choose the honest route, we did not feel we could do something we had to lie about.