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It's great being on the same wavelength as you; we're just a little farther along. Please keep sharing. We now play with several couples in a closed group, so we experience MFMs and MFMFs. We are all concerned about STDs, so we are extremely serious about keeping a closed group. The one thing we have all agreed among the couples and between the spouses is that anyone can call it quits at anytime with question or repercussion; we would remain friends. That we if anyone has had enough, or it bothers him her to be fucking others or see their spouse fucking others, or if they fucked someone outside the group, he or she could stop, no questions asked. We believe the risk is minimal. The risk may actually be less with our closed group than with a nominally "monogamous" couples. Everyone is having enough fun and getting enough sexual variety that there isn't any incentive or enough time to be fucking around elsewhere compared to the bored monogamous couple. Yeah, the FFMs are great too. Women much more easily slide into same sex play than guys do, for the women in our group all of them have gotten there. One at this point is a "pillow queen" (will let the other wives eat her out, but won't go down herself), but the other women love taking care of her. The women also like sucking a sloppy dick after it has orgasmed in one of the other women. All of us love kissing our spouses as he or she orgasms with another partner; that is as about as hot and crazy as it can get.

Aww thanks guys thanks for the feed back. Ok so just chill and have fun got it.

What matters is not age but health in all of its dimensions.Physical health, emotional health, relational health. Swinging is, on one level, the celebration of sexual health. Older couples in the LS tend to be healthy in all of those dimensions.

While I can't speak from experience in the lifestyle yet, I have been similarly curious lately pertaining to age. But if swinging is anything like daily life for us...age has far less importance than the content of the individual when it comes to personality and social skills. For example, I've had conversations with people that were drop dead gorgeous that had no clue how to form a coherent sentence and I found boring. Then there have been people that were average in the looks department but I was able to really connect with them...and those looks became a hell of a lot more attractive through our dialogue. My wife shares these views. So fingers crossed we meet good people... we'll cross the bridge of what their genitals feel and taste like when we come to it.

The older, experienced woman would have fun. The younger, inexperienced man would have fun. And he'd gain experience.

Alura, I have read many of your posts on this website, and one thing that always comes through with your words is the love you HAVE for your your Laura. Often I have read your posts and find my eyes welling with tears. I hope you realize what a mentor you are to not only people in the lifestyle, but to people in all relationships. We have a lot to learn from your wisdom. Peace.

I don't think we've ever met a couple who didn't do oral. There have been a few people who weren't real good at it (male and female) but while not a deal breaker, we both really enjoy giving and receiving oral. There is nothing I like better than 69 to completion with a playmate. Mrs Doc says she never plans on swallowing a different guys load but in the moment, stuff happens. She too loves the glory hole room at TPA.

I agree seed planted.Now be patient. It sounds like she is interested. If you allow it to bloom on its own a year from now, or so, you may have trouble keeping up. My wife spent that time slowly realizing that I really meant it and that she was safe wading in.

I have to add...today she went for a video shoot to promote a conference and got her hair and makeup done amazingly. She looked so beautiful and sexy I just want to do this even more if that makes sense

I do love to see a guy explode and shoot a big load of cum. I must admit though that I love feeling a nice fat cock pulsing and releasing inside me. Its such a turn on to be fucking a guy for the first time and looking into his eyes as he cums inside me. I love grabbing his ass and pulling him in and holding him in me as I climax with him - especially if he has a bigger cock. I almost always cum right after because i'm so turned on. I love knowing that my pussy was so damn hot that he could get off just by fucking me.

Thanks, Numex. We've done a lot of this. We've talked about some of her former lovers, including how she lost her virginity. (It was her decision of when to do it. She instigated the act at a summer camp with a fellow counselor a couple years older than she was. She decided to just go into his tent early one morning and climb into bed with him.) One time on a long, boring drive home from somewhere that I forget, I asked her to share some of her sexual adventures that she'd had before we met. She did, and we did some light touching in the car on the deserted road (not enough touching to make driving dangerous; I was behind the wheel). We were at a dinner party one time with colleagues of hers. One couple had recently gotten pregnant and declared to the table that though it had taken them a long time to get pregnant, they broke one of the rules. Apparently one expert the woman had consulted said that certain positions are better than others. Another recommendation was that the woman trying to get pregnant NOT try to have an orgasm while having sex to conceive. The woman proudly said that they had ignored that rule and had gotten pregnant anyway. Interesting table talk! That same evening, and I forget how it came out, the topic of sex came out again. Ms. Geo got into the conversation and mentioned a former lover, one she'd had in college many years before meeting me. She said the sex they had was great. I had no problem with that. We have used threesome and MFMF fantasies in bed many times. Usually they come from stories we've read to each other, but once in a while we'll insert a person we know. Ms. Geo thinks one of her doctors is handsome and sexy, and she used him in an MFM fantasy a few times. I had no problem! We've also used a few friends, though not as often as unnamed, imaginative lovers. One time quite a few years ago while we were on vacation, Ms. Geo woke me up with the fantasy of an FMF (never had one). (Ms. Geo is straight, but has said it the moment was right, she might let another woman caress her breasts, which is something I find exciting.) But this fantasy was for my benefit, and as she made slow love with me she talked in detail about how the two women would touch me, suck me, fuck me... That led to a great orgasm for me as you might imagine. (I have a fantasy of a new woman sucking me to climax while I kiss Ms. Geo and suck her breasts.) And you're right: getting my own sloppy seconds is great. That's happened quite a few times with former lovers and with Ms. Geo. It's just too bad that it can't happen with an MFM threesome or an MFMF. The idea of the other man coming inside her and then me sliding into her is mind-blowing. Still, we think the risk of an STD isn't worth it. You and we seem to be on the same page, Numex. Thanks for your input. :-) Geo

Forgive me for being blunt (it's what I do)... but you need to not be madly in love. Madly in love is about passion and desire. You need to be comfortably in love. Comfortably in love is what happens when that crazy bonfire passion of madly-in-love burns out and leaves behind warm, glowing coals that endure. This is why the median age for successful swingers is generally rather high... most swinging couples are in their 40s or 50s... because it usually takes that long for a relationship to reach that stage of comfortably-in-love. Not to say that it can't happen younger, but it is rare and usually hard won.

I believe that before a couple starts swinging, we need to have a strong, secure relationship... one based on trust, honesty, communication and emotional intimacy. Those bonds are immeasurably strong than mere sexual pleasure. The truth of the matter is, you and your partner probably will end up with someone who is "bigger" or "better" or "hotter" or pick-your-ideal. But at the end of the night, you will still go home with the person you love... because no matter how great one sexual encounter might be, it is never a match for the trust, honesty, communication and love you share with your partner. I speak from experience. My wife and I have both had earth-shattering, mind-blowing sex with strangers and friends... but in the end, we love each other and our love is so much more than mere sex. That we can share those fantastic sexual explorations with each other at the end of the day only makes our relationship stronger.

Why am I always outside the mainstream? While I'd certainly feel justified to use Dear Ann or Abby's retort to a neighbor I'd never tell one of my sons that something ... anything ... was "none of their business." Everything in our family is fair game for discussion. I never want one of my sons to fear asking me anything. Consequently, I'd never give one of them an "in your face" answer to any question at all. Recently I'd spent eight to ten hours crawling under and out again around Twenty's car, doing pretty-much a complete rebuild of the suspension, braking and steering systems. (It drives like a new one now.) That's a pretty hard day for a seventy year old body. I was aching. Eighteen offered a back, neck and shoulder massage. Of course, he knew Laura and I used to give each other massages virtually daily. He asked, "Are the massages one of the things you miss most about Mom?" he asked. "I think so," I replied. "Every night at bedtime (except when she was really sick) she'd sit on my side of the bed and scratch and massage my back while we talked about the day. I miss that a lot, probably more than the sex." I don't remember how he phrased the next question but it was related to our sex life. "I have to tell you, Eighteen, that your Mom was a fabulous treat in all aspects of our marriage. She was such a "dream-come-true" that I'm still puzzled what wonderful deeds I must have done in a previous life to have deserved her." His smile told me he fully understood. "I hope I will be as lucky," he said. Alura