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Well I dont know about all that. I certainly don't have any desire to ride off into the sunset with him. I already WENT through my 20s and I just dont have it in me to go through it again with anyone else. You've got to be kidding. Nope. Nnnnope. I'll stick with a bit of flirtation and daydreaming, tyvm.

Well we went against the advice of many and decided to come out to some friends we were traveling with. We told them we were going to a club and briefly what it was about and that we were in the lifestyle. We felt we knew them well enough to know what their reaction was going to be. We were wrong. We expected that they wouldn't be bothered by it. They typically are live and let live kind of people so we figured they would just be cool with it. Instead of just letting us do our thing though they started asking questions. "How does it work?" "Do you really have sex with other people?" "Are you really ok with seeing him/her with another woman/man?". Can you believe they even had the audacity to accept our invitation to join us at the club and check it out first hand? The gall of them. All kidding aside we took them to the club just to check it out. We had previously attended a club who employed only chronically underclothed women with them so we didn't think this would be a big leap. Unfortunately we showed up late on friday night and it was packed. The ratio of single males to couples was a bit off for us as well. We got to do a lot of watching and based on the noise coming from both sides of the house when we got back it seemed to do it for both couples. Saturday however was different. We got there about 30 minutes after they opened and took a walk through the play area with it completely empty. After a couple of drinks we ended up in a room together with the understanding that they were just interested in watching us at that point. We certainly were good with that. Next thing we know they are next to us on the bed and we are enjoying the sites and sounds as much as they were. It was certainly a success and frankly it rekindled our friendships a bit more as well. Our wives are certainly closer and are going clothes shopping next time we are in the same town. One of you guys has this line as their signature but it truly represented the night for us. If you don’t have to lie about sex, you don’t have to lie about anything. - John Williamson Even though it was simply a voyeuristic experience and not truly swapping it certainly allowed us to have more open and honest discussions. The wives have been chatting nonstop about the next time. Mr. Nomad

Whats the worst you can do. Ask and be told they aren't interested? Mr. Nomad

So when's the first swingers party in space? I so want to be there.

Here is what I've found in the lifestyle first and foremost. When making a connection with a complete stranger in a club or house party you have to establish that spark. Often times people are turned on by the appearance of another person. Thats why I put on my nicest clothes, trim my beard, and even use some aftershave or cologne which I almost never do otherwise. You must give people a reason to approach you. You state that appearances are deceiving and I've heard that line several times. Do you know why some people think appearances are deceiving? Because they attribute the wrong characteristics to someone's physical appearance. If I see a blonde woman 5'9" 115lbs rocking a gorgeous miniskirt I don't assume she has a nice personality or is adventurous. I don't expect that she is highly intelligent or intellectually shallow. The most I would assume is that she takes care of her body and she is confident in her appearance and even then that is just a hypothesis until getting to know her further. So appearances aren't deceiving they are simply limited in the information that they are providing. That doesn't make them any less important in this hobby. For some of us myself included I am not HWP. I'm 6'6" and 360lbs. By all definitions I am overweight. However I'm also extremely outgoing and will soon make my way to the center of a group. I am knowledgeable in many diverse topics and enjoy a good joke. I like to dance and find a reason to compliment almost every person I meet. While aspects of the Lifestyle may eventually lead to the heart and soul of mates and even love (see polyamory), I think that for the vast majority of people in this lifestyle love is completely separate from playing. That's why most people refer to it as playing instead of making love. I make love to Mrs. Nomad. I do not make love to any of our playmates. We play. Its already been told to you but you seem to keep pursuing it but if you are looking for love and soulmates the LS is most likely not for you. In my short time in the lifestyle I've found people that are looking for a lot of very different things but love and soulmates are not usually it. I've outlined what I bring to the party now lets look at what you bring. You have provided repeatedly examples of your worst traits without providing any positive aspects of yourself. You have stated in the past that you have economic hardships of some sort (if I remember correctly). Clubs and online sites have membership fees. Nice clothes in my size cost quite a lot of money. This hobby like many others costs money. You ask questions and then debate the answers. You look at examples given of how a single male exists in the lifestyle and provide numerous reasons that how you are not up to that level. Frankly until you can identify what exactly you are looking for, address your self-confidence issues, and ensure that you are financially sound enough to participate in this hobby I don't think the lifestyle is for you. Now if your goal is to simply find people to have pity on you then by all means keep on posting. However you will find that the pity will come less and less as people grow more and more tired of a person who will not pull himself up by his own boot straps. Mr. Nomad

Actually going to red rocks in Colorado. But do have tickets to see Priest locally next month. In fact, have an extra one . Lol

First, fix the communication with your wife. I know that you said it's fine, but it isn't. Second, talk with her and find out what the issue is. Let her know that if she doesn't want you doing anything with the other woman, then that's exactly what you will do (and do just that). There's still plenty of time and she may very well change her demeanor again at some point but just keep doing things the way you have in the past: group texts, etc. Make sure that she is comfortable with her being your number one and that nothing will happen that she isn't aware of and has approved. Good luck and let us know how things go. Just don't tell us you are going to see Lady Gaga or Celine Dion...Aerosmith, Judas Priest, or even Paul McCarthy are all acceptable (heck, I'd go with you to see Aerosmith or Judas Priest).

Handling it well? Maybe not. I am playing this scene in my head over and over again. Is it wrong to have doubts even when I didn’t have many doubts with our threesome? Double standard? Honesty Honesty Honesty. It’s the basis of our relationship. We need to decide today if we are going to do this. We know if we say yes we can still back down. I would think I am not the only one who has worried how they will handle the first time. I know my wife backed down the first time. That was not because of me, it was her not ready to do something with a woman. I only slightly thought of her feelings when she watched me the next time. I feel bad now that I wasn’t that thoughtful of Her doubts. We had discussed it so many times and she wanted a second try. Last night I asked if she was excited. Told her I’m nervous. We decided we don’t have to do this. There is no deadline. Opportunity will always be there. I asked Honest, how did you feel watching. I asked what was the biggest thing that bothered her. At first she said it was just as she thought it would be. It was fun. I pushed to hear a negative. Why do I need to keep asking? She then said Disease. We were with someone who has gone to swinger vacations. How do we know she doesn’t have something. She said she thought we should have brought condoms. I told her she was right. I then asked what else. Again why do I push? You came in her! She said she thought I was going to stop and be with her. I was honest and said it didn’t cross my mind to stop. I said you realize it didn’t take hours. It went pretty fast. I normally burst when my wife orgasms too. As of now we are going. I would feel guilty if I said no if she wants to go. We will RSVP yes and continue talking.

From a husband´s perspective my SO I think she had a lot of emotions after. I think maybe a day or two later even moreso as she was very quiet. After a week we were back to normal. I think so of it came from the fact that it was mutual friend of ours and well by the looks of it she really enjoyed it after some reservations as she let her body go. Maybe embarassed...?