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Not trying to put words in midlife's mouth, but maybe what we are getting at here is the shamelessness and/or sense of freedom that goes along with what he experienced, on both sides? I would take much more pleasure in experiencing what he did than I would for a group of five women's bikini tops to get completely ripped off by a wave right in front of me and they are all embarrassed and squirming around trying to do the cover up the boob with the hands thing while running for a towel. What he experienced, the woman meant to share, or at a minimum, didn't care if she shared. My other example, they obviously do care, and so that just makes it something you see, not something you experience, so not the same thing at all really.

We only have condomless sex with our very close friends, people we trust and know for years,we have had "sexual marathons" for entire weekends with our close friends, during the course of 2 days (and nights) the boys finished countless times inside me and my girlfriend, we both are on the pill and we all four of us are young and in theory fertile however we have never had any pregnancy scares or anything, so yes I think the pill is a very good protection method.

After a rather frank, detailed open discussion at a recent party it occurred to me that many players preferences change with swap partners vs home with their SO. Some due to living arrangements or children at home and will be much less vocal. But a wide range of differences in sex play when at the club vs home. I was a bit surprised that several women prefer to see their husband/boyfriend cum when giving a hand/blowjob or cum in them at home but prefer a male playmate at the club to cum in their mouth, or on their breast, tummy or butt. The biggest reason given was it was easier and less mess to deal with.....swallow, tissue or baby wipe. Avoiding the cold wet spot. Although I didn’t really see the immediate difference when some of these women squirt during sex play. Additionally a varied amount of activity done at the club but not at home. Some for obvious reasons (moresomes, bi activity, fetishes etc) some activities were surprising. Many of the ladies stated the most like taking the upper hand and totally ravishing their playmate to give them a hot unforgettable experience. I will also say that the women, when in a group we’re far more graphic, detailed and explicit then the men were. So question is; what activities do you do or would do only with swing partners that you wouldn’t or couldn’t at home. And is there a difference with swing partners you know well verse someone you just met and getting together the first time.

Communicating what you want with a take me or not attitude sounds like a bully to me. Add your stated jealousy issues to the mix...Maybe what you are not aware of is why your wife never initiates sex. As you say there is more to the story we are not aware of but you are not likely to find the validation or support you seek to proceed without your wife’s full consent here. I sincerely hope you can see the bigger picture.

You are setting yourself up with the you just have to try this mindset. I don’t think you really want to lose your marriage nor try the cheating route. Do you ever watch porn with your wife? Role play? Find some way to spice it up at home. Read more here, share with her, ask her desires. Maybe one day she will consider going to a club. Maybe not, and sometimes the fantasy is better than the reality.

Some people (most actually) just aren't cut out for swinging, and your wife may very well be one of them. It sounds like there are many hurdles between where she is now and swinging of any type, even just watching and being watched. The only sort of baby step I can think of that she might be willing to at least talk about would be attending a meet and greet. Everyone full clothed, held at a local bar or restaurant, just a chance to meet people and talk to them. If she is so opposed to the whole concept that she thinks swingers are just a bunch of nasty perverted creeps, then I doubt she will even be interested in that, because who is interested in meeting people that you already know you won't like? But, if she is of the type that is ok with others doing what works for them while she does what works for her, then she might be willing. That's going to take a lot more talk though, because the sense I get is she doesn't really trust you on this one. I suspect she might be seeing it as she is your admittance ticket in the door to get what you want, not something that you both at least have some interest in, even if that interest only goes so far as being a "safe" way to find out what those creepy, perverted swingers are really like in person. One other thing I would add is to work hard on your relationship and your sex life. Good sex begets more good sex, and when a couple has a strong relationship and a strong sex life, some fears often drop to the wayside a bit.

Going to a club is probably the best thing you can do for this. Sure, there MIGHT be a FEW 'prettier people' there. but most will be just like you...next door, average types. There will also be more than a few people that will make you say to yourself 'you really aren't that bad'. Remember, sexiness has nothing to do with how you look, it is something that comes from deep inside. That you are willing to go to a club already makes you very sexy. After you get back, try to tell me I'm wrong and try to tell me that you didn't have a great time and felt sexy. Go on, I dare you.

Like njbm said, our first cut is are they nice and do we like them? For us, the answer to that has nothing to do with race, color, or any of the myriad of other ways to categorize and label people. Now, having gotten past that first hurdle, are there people that we may find more exotic simply because they are so different from us? Yes. Could that difference add some icing on the already baked cake. Yes. So to the OP's question, assuming I liked her, would I find an Arab woman exotic in a sexy sort of way, yes. The way I look at it, it's just the wrapping paper though. Superficial to what's inside, but still, something that may catch your eye, and more to some than others since all brains are wired differently. Or to use another example, it's like hair color. Would I ever turn down anyone based on black, brunette, blonde, red, etc? Absolutely not. Do I specifically seek out women with a certain hair color? Nope. If there was a woman of any skin tone with a red buzz cut, would I consider that exotic? Yes, simply because I've never even met a buzz cut redhead, so that exoticness is likely to pique my interest a little bit. I've never felt hair that short on a woman, it would seem very very different to me, and therein lies the interest. Do I have some sort of fetish for super short hair on a woman? Nope, not at all. As a general rule even, don't like it. Some can rock it and look great, but for most it's not the best look for them, or at least to my eyes it's not anyways (not that what I think really matters).

Same for me. The more that I do it, the more I enjoy it.

My first thought on seeing this post is that it might be racist but I’m hoping it’s not. I think you will find most people in the lifestyle don’t put labels on people. I know there will Post about being with a big black person which might be a little racist but is also a fantasy for some. I also have read about those who find Asian women as exotic. Maybe you should consider that “Arabs” are actually Asian as countries like Iran are in Asia. Our group of friends, maybe we are considered younger, are for the most part blind to labels. I would say we are less blind to stupid obnoxious people.

We have been told that we should do porn, that our style is energetic, uninhibited and dirty as hell. But at home, it's way more sensuous, slow, less sexy and more 2 people melding. Basically 180 degrees out.

We bypass the rinsing and just get down into that mess we spend the past hours creating as soon as we're in the door. There's just something about my wife having sex with others that makes me want her more.

The pregnancy was aborted. Not a happy event, but from their perspective I suppose a necessary one.

I wonder if people often use the term "Persian" to avoid "Iranian" since the relationship between Iran and the US has been a bit sketchy since...well, since Jimmy Carter. Besides, I think the world owes a lot to the Persian culture (when there was a Persia) for things like algebra, the first declaration of human rights, plus a whole bunch of people in Silicon Valley. If you ever want to try out an uncut guy, although a bit old, drop me a line. LOL No ethnicity involved, just an old-fashioned mother?

I avoid labels because I'm too dumb to apply them properly and it's too much work. Take "Arab" for example. Iranians claim not to be Arabs, although they're next door neighbors to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. And some India Indians are blacker than our negro African swing partners, yet consider themselves white. We have sex with humans we find attractive, that's about it.

The most thing I like bout the lifestyle is its focus on mutual respect on pure human level.

1- For non-Arabs How much Swinging with Arabian couples/ladies excites you? Do you think Arabian lady delicious,sexy? We are all different in some ways and we are all the same in most ways. An Arab woman catches my attention when she smiles. Arab women, in general, are no more but certainly no less exciting than other woman. 2- If you have chance to have Swinging with Arabian couples, What acts would you prefer to do with them? I enjoy the good old-fashioned "missionary position", as many people of the Western World like to call it, owing to the fact that being able to look into a play partner's eyes make me feel more-closely connected. 3- What we would do for you? what your fantasies? You have no need to think to hard on this question and you have no need to try too hard to please people. Be yourself and act in-the-moment. Your play partners will almost certainly be pleasantly surprised. 4- What's your experience with Arab? Or how would you sexual feeling if it happened to you or your partner? While a "guest worker" in a large city in Saudi Arabia, I was invited, through an intermediary, to the home of a Lebanese woman. She had been observing me while at the dining hall of a residential facility for expatriot workers. While at her home, her husband invited me to have some time with her alone. The time we spent was very enjoyable. Both my wife and I would feel good about meeting Arab people.

clpnuswing hit this nail right on the head. If there is chemistry and/or a connection, nothing else matters. We don't limit ourselves based on preconceived perceptions, but on who the people are and if we click with them.

Welcome, I used to live and work in Yemen in the mid 1980s and enjoyed it tremendously. People are very passionate and the women are gorgeous. I can just imagine your predicament. Good luck in your endeavor.

We are the same way, chemistry and attraction is what we are looking for in playmates. It doesn't matter to us what part of the world they come from, what belief system they choose to follow, the color of their skin, or any of the other things that humans like to use to get the us vs. them barriers in place. I'd recommend SDC too, they seem to have good international coverage.

We tend to avoid labels. Attractive and willing means a whole lot more to us than your religion, ethnicity or address. We've never had an experience with an Arab couple but neither have we had an experience with a Romanian couple. We wouldn't rule out either on the basis of their country of origin. Advice: Get on an international swingers website, maybe SDC, put up a profile with representative photos and use the "hot date" section to post where you're going to travel and when and what you're looking for. If the picture next to your post actually IS Mrs Arabmejo, you'll have to beat the offers off with a stick.