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I'll probably sound like a slut here but we enjoy the idea of and have participated in full swap, soft swap, MFM or FMF. In full or soft swap, I enjoy watching my wife with the other guy while I'm with his woman in the same room. Separate rooms, is sometimes even better, hearing sounds next door, knowing what they mean, imagining what it looks like can be really erotic. MFM for us is focused on her and I enjoy participating in giving her as much pleasure as she can stand. Eventually, both guys get off with her or she simply orgasms out. Either way, I like it best when we leave her like a dishrag on the bed, satisfied, tired and smiling. FMF is the reverse of MFM for me. When she and another woman just use me up. I try to give them both as much pleasure as possible but eventually succumb to the touch of four hands, two mouths, four boobs etc…! One of my best FMF experiences happened at Trapeze in Ft Lauderdale. Mrs Doc and I had just gone into a semi private room, lost our towels and started to play. She was giving me a slow, sloppy bj just to start off. A couple stood at the open door for a bit watching. The woman, about 10 years younger and attractive then us asked, "can I help you with that"? When my wife motioned her in, she dropped her towel and got on her knees on the other side of me and they both started in. Mrs Doc invited the guy over, anticipating a 4-some because he had an obvious boner under his towel. He just smiled and shook his head no and continued to watch intently. Both women concentrated on me until I came hard in the strange woman mouth. She swallowed, kissed my wife, kissed me then took her guys hand and walked out with a smile and a "thank you". We didn't get their names and never saw them again. The only down side to that night was that this took place rather early, about 11:30, and I was done for the night.

So what's your preference on a threesome - MMF of FFM? We tend to go back and forth. Sometimes I'm really craving a second man and a really hot spit roast or DVP. Lately we have really enjoyed an amazing female that gives amazing oral while I'm riding him. What's your pleasure these days?

If you think the sex is picking up steam now, wait until the reclamation fucking after you actually swap.

You never know it is real until the door opens. Stuff happens particularly in The Lifestyle. If it comes even to a meet and greet I ask for a number for texts for last minute changes. If not, then I am careful not to drive an hour.

Sorry for that, it's just not right. We've cancelled on couples and single males from time to time, but letting them know as early as possible. Only once have we stood a single guy up. It was early for us in the LifeStyle, we'd had a couple MFMs to that time, were looking for another one. This guy contacted us, after a few emails back and forth we agreed to meet him at a bar near our home, we told him it was just a meet and greet, no sex. (But we broke that rule more times than we kept it, it was just to give us an easy way out if the wife didn't like him.)Of course he never showed, never responded to our question 'where were you?' A couple months later, he contacted us again, under a different profile name. (This was back in the days when free members could email.) It was obvious it was the same guy, same pictures, same stuff. I politely told him, 'no thank you.' And by the way, we hadn't changed our screen name and still had some of the same pictures of us on it, he had to know it was the people he'd stood up. Six months go by, again he contacts us, another new profile. I string him along for a couple of weeks, assuming that sooner or later he'll figure it out. He never did, finally got around to asking if we could meet. I told him sure, late on a school night, promised that the wife was in the mood, sex was assured. Of course we were snug in our beds at the appointed hour. I got an email from him the next day, bitching about how he'd driven an hour only to get stood up, WTF? I wrote back, told him that he'd stood us up months before, that he deserved it, GFY. Then I blocked him. As far as I know, we never heard from him again. I'd say he deserved what I did to him, you're welcome to disagree.

I pick door number 2.

Just to address the single males at swing clubs, Toms. I assume the club you went to allowed a large amounts of single males the night you were there, and I know that such an environment is weird at least. However . . . A reasonable amount of single males that are verified can add a nice little spice to the mix. At our club, DJs Island outside of Pittsburgh, on any given night you'll find a few. Every one of them was verified by a member couple, and the first time they come they have to arrive and leave with the couple that verified them. After that, if there's an opening and they passed the first test, they're welcome to come any night they want. But the owners keep a check on it, I believe it's one male for every eight couples. And if they ever cross the line - everybody knows exactly where that line is - their membership is revoked and they're never welcome at the club again. It doesn't happen very often, guys who are verified are quite respectful My wife likes the occasional single male if we can't find a couple to play with, or late in the evening when I've had some fun and she's still raring to go. Best of luck to you!

Plenty of couples take a lot of time to go from first considering the idea to actually doing it. Nothing unusual here Yes, this is a real problem with nights as clubs when single men are allowed. Any regulars who go to the club that night know and are looking for one or many other male partners. It's not really a good night to dip your toes. Not that single men are necessarily bad, just that the vibe for such a night is not a good one for a couple just getting into the lifestyle, as you found out! Well, don't take the 401 during rush hour trying to get to a swinger club Toronto is a flat out amazing city with tons of opportunities in all sorts of things. I've never engaged in swinging there (my then girlfriend there and I never even broached the subject with each other...ah, youth ) but I'm sure there's plenty of opportunities for just the sort of thing you're looking for in swinging. At a guess, it sounds like a club might not be the right way for you. It isn't for my wife. I'm more in tune with the club scene, but it needs to work for both of us. We haven't been to a club in some years now. You can get along just fine in the lifestyle without going to swinger clubs. This is very, very common. A new level of trust, closeness, and intimacy has been reached. It's a very powerful relationship boost. This also tends to tell me that the two of you are ready for this. The #1 piece of advice for all couples getting into this; keep the communication 100% open, 100% without judgment, 100% without ridicule. Be completely open and honest with each other. As has been said here many times, swinging is a relationship magnifying glass. If your relationship is troubled, it will magnify that. If your relationship is great and you are truly in love, it will magnify that. Sounds like you're the latter

So so amazing!

Agreed, but his reason was a lie

We are a bi couple who plays with other couples & single straight males. I present myself as Bi & when we discuss it with the other folks I state that it is not a necessity and we only do what everyone is comfortable with.

That's another good approach. My wife, however, has no interest in anal sex at all, so we do oral and vaginal. It's all down to what works best for your group.

My parents were definitely not swingers of any sort. But my wife's mother and father just may have been. My wife and two of her siblings are her father's and two other siblings aren't. Now one of those, her only sister, is denied by my wife and her sister. But my wife's father has told me that the sister isn't his. All were born while her parents were married. He also told me that there was one more sibling that was conceived by another man while he was deployed in the military and they gave that one up for adoption. My wife says he's not being truthful. But he went to his grave with those accusations. Anyway, my wife's father gave us an old 8MM tape of when he and her mother were stationed in Germany. In it, there was a part of her parents and another couple partying in one of their private residences. The way they were switching dance partners, and just the atmosphere of the party, seemed clear that this was leading to a swap. It's not unlike our parties with other couples that led to swapping. And, the other husband had very dark, straight, hair just like my sister-in-law has. I've always felt it was my wife's father's way of proof.

He or I give her oral

However, after our first MFM experience a couple years ago, we both realized that this facet of the LS really works for us. Never ever thinking that I would be, I have come to realize that I am really turned on seeing my wife being sexual with another guy. My wife knows this and really plays up the flirting with both the other guy and myself whenever we invite a guy over. Plus, my wife really enjoys the attention of two guys, be it playing with both at the same time, or playing with one of us at a time while the other guy watches. Basically, it is much easier to connect in a threesome situation and there is always an abundance of interested guys to which my wife is attracted to. People in the LS have different reason to go with MFM but that is exactly what we feel and why we prefer MFM

Best way to describe us we are bi when it comes to swinging. Neither of us had or would go looking for a bisexual experience by ourselves, but with the right couple, anything goes! I am actually really proud of mr. A for letting it happen...and enjoying it!

I guess I'm the strange one , 20 minuets is a quickie for me, I seem to be like the energizer bunny and I have upon occasion came twice, but that takes at leased an hour or more.

Susan here-- This is just my experience and is 'deep down' while I don't play knowingly with bisexual men. I've only known two men in the Lifestyle who were bisexual. I never had sex with them, just knew them as acquaintances. However, they both died of AIDS. Interestingly enough, their wives did not contract the disease. I have no idea what this means statistically for disease, etc. I just know that I'd just rather avoid a statistical reality. Please don't send me all the stats on AIDs, transfer rates, group dynamics, etc. I know some of my concern is based on fear, but some times a bit of fear is a good thing. As far as how we handle it, we just say,"Bi-guys are not part of our Play," but it's only been a subject with one couple. Again, it's never personal. The occasional rejection, for a variety of reasons, is expected in the Lifestyle and should never be a concern.

We do our safe sex evaluations early in the friendship. If we feel there is any possibility of a problem, be it pregnancy or stds, we don't play with that couple. That's probably why we've only played with five couples in 24 years. In the past, when we've decided a couple was within our "safety envelope" we've played with no restrictions. Mrs. Alura and I were talking about this subject recently. "When I take a guy's cock into my mouth," she said, "I expect that I'll be drinking his cum shortly. He doesn't always cum in my mouth, but I always expect it. Same thing with my pussy. If I didn't feel safe with him, I wouldn't be in bed with him." And I wouldn't be in bed with his wife. Again, that's how we've done it in the past. How we approach this issue in the future will depend entirely on the couple we're approaching it with.