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I don't disagree. It's just that I used to screw a divorcee back in my single days and once jokingly brought up a spitroast. I wasn't even serious, but she went ballistic. "Adultery, the Bible, etc." I should have known better than to even joke about it, because she wasn't exactly an adventurous vanilla partner, either. In fact, I'm 80% sure that's why her husband made an exit. Regardless, it would have been many things, but not adultery. People have a way of retrofitting these words for their emotional needs until jerking off in the shower is infidelity.

As a male, it's extremely hard to argue against two women who both want to suck my cock. That's not how you spend most of your time in a real FMF, though. I have no complaints about any of it, but there's a lot of work involved keeping both entertained and running warm unless they're both bisexual enough to help with each other. MFM isn't just easier to find a partner for, it's easier to perform in a way that leaves everyone thoroughly "done".

East, respectfully, I see your point. I would agree that swingers are not *unfaithful: not adhering to vows, allegiance, or duty.* Swingers should have talked it out, agreed to their own guidelines. Even if they promised fidelity at their marriage, they've decided to modify their vows. But *infidelity* has a specific meaning, a *definition*. The activities that swingers engage in are contained in the definition of the word; i.e., when swingers play (assuming they're married,) infidelity occurs. I'm certainly not saying that's a bad thing - in fact I think it can be a very good thing. And while, yes, sometimes definitions change, I doubt the definition of infidelity has changed in decades, and I don't see Merriam-Webster rewriting it anytime soon. Words do matter.

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Not even a finger a little?

I am a wife and I agree. A person can be perfectly satisfied with his or her spouse, but want more, especially variety. I enjoy other men, but find that I need other women. The one thing that I cannot be for my husband is another person, and sometimes that is what he wants. Letting your spouse have sexual fun with someone else is the ultimate gift. Be kind and generous, without jealousy.

You have to have the conversation with the clothes on... just sit down and talk about it.. if you can't communicate about it, you aren't ready

We enjoy newbies. There is something exciting about a couple that never played before. They are nervous, not knowing what to do. Most of the women have never been with a woman. We were new and nervous our first time and we enjoy trying to get a couple to relax. There is a downside as well. Women freeze up, we don’t push anyone. We go at their speed. Men also have problems. Too fast, too soft. And we have seen jealousy too. Every adventure is different.

I'll have to disagree with the statement that swingers have a different idea of what cheating is and don't often care. I know for us at least, if one is doing something the other other doesn't know about or hasn't already agreed to, we would consider it cheating.

njbm, it's entirely typical. MFMs in the lifestyle are quite common.

Interesting, when we're in an MFM situation with one of our other play couples, we usually split the woman along the two other axes. We guys each take a hole, but one is not her mouth. Instead we DP her, one in her pussy one in her ass. Also each guy takes one breast for himself. We're all right handed, so the guy in front plays with her left tit and the guy behind her right.

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I’m a masculine bi man, who loves hot MFM sexual fun, I don’t think there anything better than sucking a cock and sharing it with a persons wife.....so hot!

Personally (I am the wife) I would be turned on seeing a man watching and masterbating at the same time. HOT!

I agree with Daisy Girl. It's a big turn-on for me to see my husband masturbating while he is watching me and another man. Very Hot! He will often share with me later on that night or the next day his thoughts/feelings/fantasies he was experiencing while jacking off looking at me.

I know I would love to see men masturbate to my wife and watch me masterbate. I'm bi curious and have never been with a man since adulthood but I would hope it would turn into more than just watching.

Husbands masturbating while watching the wives (engaging in bi activity, right?) Yes! I can't imagine that anybody who would swing would be offended by masturbation. Personally, I LOVE to watch my husband do that, and it's just natural that the husbands are stroking themselves watching their wives play with another woman. They're getting very turned-on. There have been times like that when the other woman and myself have suggested to our husbands to take it out and stroke it, if they seemed too shy to do it without the suggestion. Socially acceptable? Maybe not to Miss Manners, but it likely is for most swingers, in those circumstances.

Hi there, I don't see any problem masturbating on that situation, maybe not everyone would do it, but nothing wrong with it.

I think it is perfectly fine. In fact, seeing others masterbate while watching me and a partner is so hot!!!

I think it's pretty natural. I don't think anyone would object or think it was weird!