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SLS and SDC have proven to be very useful for us especially once we moved to Florida. The OP says he's in DC. One site we used often when we lived in the northeast I-95 corridor is Alt Playground (APG). Its primary focus are the big cities between DC and probably Hartford. Lots of attractive and playful couples!

"What do guys do during FF?" Pretty simple, whatever we tell them to do, including leave the room if that's how we feel.

i would have swallowed it all witha big cheesy grin on my face and then given the guy a wink!

The notifications pulled me back, as you anticipated Yeah, I'm in New Zealand. Swinging is becoming increasingly popular here, especially with younger couples. To update you on how the night went with that other couple: it was a terrible night, but that had nothing to do with the hemorrhoid. We spent the evening with them, drinking wine and talking, which we love to do. They're great conversation partners and we all consider it part of the build up and foreplay. We played a couple of board games once the mood turned silly and that was fun. I brought up the subject of boundaries to make sure everyone was on the same page before things went further. The husband and I had been doing most of the communicating online before meeting up and, when discussing boundaries, I assumed he was passing it on to his wife as I was to my husband. Up to this point we hadn't done any swapping with this couple; it had all been same room stuff with a bit of girl on girl. The other husband and I, during our online communication, had agreed to try soft swinging this time. He assured me they were comfortable with it. When I brought it up on the night it turns out he hadn't told his wife at all - she had no knowledge of the plan to try soft swinging. She obviously felt very put on the spot and said no, she wasn't comfortable doing it. We said that's fine, and didn't push the matter. The husband didn't apologise or offer an explanation; he acted like it was the first he'd heard of the idea too, completely dropping us in it. Looking back I wish I'd confronted him and told his wife that it he had agreed to it on her behalf, but I think I wanted to salvage the mood before the evening was ruined. We were staying in the same cabin as them and had nowhere else to go if things turned bad, so we had to keep the peace. The next day, after we left, we sent him a message saying how disappointing it was and we hoped he would be more open with his wife in future if we were to meet up again. He just never replied and that was the end of that. We've since met another couple that we've progressed with to the stage of full swap. Our cherry has been popped

That’s like sexual assault by trickery. Dishonest and deceitful, throw their arse out and then some!

Just my feelings on this as the female half of a couple but, I don't care how physically fit and good looking a guy is, if he opens his mouth and is a total asshole there is no chance of playing with me. I have met super hot men with shitty attitudes that I would not give them the time of day and I have met some men that I would consider average or maybe even not very good looking, not talking dog ugly here mind you, but their personality was fantastic and so attractive that I wanted to play with them. Obviously we all start off based on looks, if we are attracted to what we see but, once you begin to talk with them its the personality that can really make or break them.

We realize this post is an older one but, we are new to this site and reading through many posts, new and old. First we are curious as to how things turned out for you? Did you cut off all comunications, did “she” finally video verify or even phone verify with you, basically, how did things go or not go. We belong to a swingers site and we have found quite a few fakers/cat-fishers, etc. Our outlook on things is if we start to chat with anyone we have an interest in meeting and possibly playing with we, after some brief chat or emails or IM’s we go directly to the let’s all verify phase. Either we speak on the phone with them or we video chat with them. We don’t do weeks of endless back n forth emails dragging things on and on. When we get to the point of verifying, it’s not only for us to ensure they are real but for them to verify we are real as well. We want to make sure it’s not a guy pretending to be a single female unicorn or a couple when it’s really just a single male pretending to be a couple and things such as that. If they are real and interested there should not be any reservations about agreeing to a phone call or video chat. When we propose that to them and we get 101 excuses as to why they can’t or won’t, and we have heard so many excuses it’s rediculous, then we discontinue any further effort until we can all verify each other. Not sure who it was previous in this thread that said it but, it’s true, some people out there get off on playing those types of games. That’s just our opinion on this issue, I am sure others may feel very different about it.

If you are still interested in getting together with them then I suggest you not cancel. You can still have a great time and just not do any anal play. If the topic of anal comes up, maybe you can just tell them that you and your husband did anal last night and that you are a bit sore. Or put that out there in the beginning of the night so there won't be an uncomfortable moment if they do go back there and you having to stop the moment to say something. The first and most important question you need to answer is do you WANT to keep the date with them still? If so, then go for it. It would still be a fun filled night for you all and nobody would ever have to know about it. Just enjoy the night and have fun. Don't stress over it, it will all be fine.

I consider this a fantasy because not sure how to do it and meet people who are on the same page. A closed polycule, just like couplers' , but with 5 members - 3 guys and 2 females (they can all be straight). Right now, I have 2 male partners in a V.

Congrats on making your first full swap experience a great one! I say thst way because it is true, the lifestyle is what you make of it, and good things rarely if ever happen just out of sheer luck. You guys had a plan that you developed together, and were patient and gave all the pieces time to fall into place. They did and a great time was had by all!

It really depends on the setting and on attitudes (theirs and yours). I've been to a swingers club where if you aren't in your 20-30's and at least an 8 out of 10, you wasted a trip. I've been to other clubs where plus sized people were welcomed and have a good time. As a general rule, women do get more attention then men but again, it depends. In my experience, folks at clubs which are couples only (or couples who only play together with other couples) tend to be more focused on matching both parts of the couple. Attitude, I believe, plays a big role. If you're confident, funny, polite, charming, friendly and outgoing you will do better than if you aren't. In my experience, women will pick a fat guy with a good attitude over a magazine model who acts like a jerk.

I agree. In fact it is a big turn-on for me/us. One of our naughty activities is that on a warm moonless summer night once the kids are in bed and it's late and the neighborhood is quiet we go outside and spread a blanket in the middle of the lawn and have a quick screw. It's just dangerous enough to make it very very exciting. We live in the burbs and if one were to look at the yard in daylight the idea of screwing there would be nuts. But when it's dark and rare for anybody to be walking around the sidewalk or streets it's a very erotic thing to do. And heck it's right in our backyard. My land, My wife. Heck it's a free country and "I are a mountain man damn it!" I would hate to become too comfortable with nudity. We like certain things to feel naughty.

It would seem to me that "naturists" separate nudity and sex in the same way we as swingers separate love and sex.