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Fla-Swing, you bring up a great point. You and your partner should always be on the same page, should communicate completely, and if one is upset the other should do anything and everything they can to calm them down. That's called, 'being part of a committed couple.' BUT . . . everyone in this life should understand that you can't control other people. They're going to do things you don't like from time to time and you can do one of two things: (1) You can get upset at every little thing and have a terrible time with all kinds of shit. Or (2) You can try to take care of the problem and if you hit a brick wall just shrug it off and go onto other things. (This is called, 'being mature.' And I'm not saying you don't act mature, FLA-swing, just pointing it out to other people who read this.

You have every right to be devastated. Despite the fact that some people use the words interchangeably, there is a big difference between having sex and making love.. a difference that most swingers understand. Just him telling you that it was one and not the other is enough reason to be upset and worried. There is no easy answer for what you should do but I think it would have to begin with talking to him and finding out what is going on his head. Finding out his true feelings for both you and the other woman. Once you find this out you may have some choices to make and they are choices that only YOU can make. Just remember that he was wrong from the start. He never should have pushed when you had already said no, and should have stopped when you asked him to despite you having said yes.

Sounds like maybe the lifestyle isn’t for you guys then! If a person can’t handle rejection well then this lifestyle isn’t going to do them any favours, because it will happen regardless of who you are. As far as the Alpha male thing the women are the ones who are in control and call the shots in this lifestyle so if that bothers him then he will be bothered. As far as him not wanting to have to put an effort into picking up other women good luck. It is no different then the vanilla world. You get what you put in.

I think at first thought the immediate reaction is to the taboo factor. Some people may personalize it by thinking of their own sibling relationship which could really spike the reaction. Long before I considered any swinging activities my sister and I would get hit upon together as some guy’s wishful thinking. We would just laugh it off. Now as a single woman that loves MFM I think brothers could be fun. If I were married and it was a brother-in-law that would conjure up another image, depending upon the brother-in-law. If I ran into them at a party I would be immensely curious and want to chat with them at least.

Okay Lioness, what happened? Your posts are normally very coherent and in my opinion you and your husband know how to deal with situations. Mike and I have discussed going back to school just to be invited to your tailgate parties.

Nope! Wouldn’t work.

This sounds like another man with a fantasy that is not based in reality. She already told you she would never do it and you already discussed it. My advice is only act on it if she brings it up.

This isn't that surprising. My GF and I go to a club by us and they have separate "rooms" which are just beds with curtains around them. The second we go up to a bed guys start creeping around and working their way in. Sometimes it gets a little too crowded with guys so I'll step back and just enjoy watching. Because there are so many more men looking for action I can see how someone can feel left out at these places. Occasionally there are women for me to play with but I never get anywhere near the amount of attention my GF gets. I think it's just the reality of these places.

As I said before, once people of either sex are old enough to realize what's important and there is no possibility of procreation, I wouldn't have any issue with siblings having sex. But, Couplers, no way am I going to mess with someone who's got problems, whether they're my kin or not. As they say, "Never go to bed with anybody who's crazier than you are!"

We started with friends who were already swingers. My wife brought up the subject which was a plan her and her friend talked about. We did have full sex and my wife received oral from her friend. We have since that day have had more experiences with more people.

Thanks everyone for the responses, we love to read about other folks adventures as well as share ours. After the massage where I got turned on because the massage guy could see the sides of her breasts, we talked about setting up a more sensual massage for her. I looked on the internet and found a guy that did sensual massage. I arranged a time and on the way there, I told her it was going to be a sensual massage. She asked what that meant and I said I'm not sure. When we got there he took us into the massage room. I asked him what exactly was a sensual massage and he said it depended on what we wanted. He said the best thing was for everyone to be completely honest. I asked what he normally did. He said the woman was usually totally naked and he did a total body massage and sometimes it resulted in an orgasm. He said he would give us a few minutes to think about it and get ready. He left the room and we looked at each other. We had been naked in a hot tub with other couples many times but had never done anything like this. She seemed a bit nervous but we agreed to see what happened and stop it if we felt uncomfortable. She took her clothes off and got on the table with a towel. I opened the door and he came in dressed in little gym shorts and a work out shirt. He pulled the towel down slightly and started to massage her neck and shoulders. I could tell he was experienced. She started to relax. He then went to her feet and spent time on her toes and worked his way up her legs one at a time. He would get close to her ass but never touch it. Then he moved to her side and started really working her thighs. As he would pull his hands from inside her thigh to outside, the towel would rise and her pretty red pussy would be exposed a bit. I was at the foot of the table watching. He kind of looked at me to see if everything was okay. I didn't object and he switched to the other side. This time he exaggerated his movements and her ass and pussy were more exposed. I think she knew at this point that he was getting a pretty good look. He then asked if we still needed the towel. I said it was up to her. She figured what the hell, he already had a pretty good look and said take it away. Off went the towel, and there was my wife, face down, naked in front of this guy. He very obviously went to the foot of the table and took her feet and spread them apart. Her pussy was fairly exposed. He started up her leg again, this time continuing all the way and giving her ass a good work out. He repeated the other leg. Then he did something that totally shocked me. He grabbed her left leg, pulled it up so her knee was on the table and her ass was sticking up. Her pussy was not only exposed, but slightly open. He then stuck his fingers in his crème container and got a dollap of creme and in a quick motion put the gob of the stuff directly on her clit. I think my mouth was open, but I/we didn't stop him. He then proceeded to work her pussy for about 15 minutes. I moved to the head of the table to make sure she was okay. She grabbed my hands and just squeezed. He then told her it was time to turn over. Now my wife was fully exposed lying on her back with her pretty breasts and red hair in the candle light. He worked on her breasts for awhile and then got on the table between her legs and was working on her pussy some more. I bent over to say something to her and when I looked up, he had his head buried in her pussy. He looked up at me and asked, is this okay. It was a bit late to object so he continued. She was getting really hot, and he told me I should finish her. He decided he should leave the room and we finished on our own. On the way home we would look at each other and start laughing, neither one of us believing what we just did. But we didn't regret it and used it to get us going for months. That was the start of our "soft swinging" experiences. Hope you enjoyed.

We enjoy something similar IRL. When my wife has come home from a quick encounter with one of our play partners, I'll be horny as hell. So I eat her for a short while until I can't stand it, take sloppy seconds, then calmly give her another orgasm licking her double sloppy pussy.

A few weeks ago Mrs R and I were going at it pretty heavy. We were on our 2nd bottle of wine, no doubt having a influence. Mrs R said she wanted to feel me cum inside her. I then told her that I wanted to cum all over her pussy then lick it up and kiss her (totally spur of the moment thought). The look on her face when I said that was amazing and her response was "OMG yes, do it!" That was probably the hottest, most lust filled kiss we ever shared. Something we're both agreed that we would do again.

Recently, we played with a couple and the guy was a bit on the small side. On the upside he seemed to stay towards the walls of my vagina which gave me more sensation (and I'm guessing him as well), unfortunately he also pounded away. At first this felt good as it was pounding my clit and felt pretty good. However, after a bit I had to tap out as it was making me really freaking sore and left me feeling a bit bruised. That said, there are times when I like to get pounded, but I don't want it to go on for a long time. There are times I will ask for it and it's because I know it will drive me over whatever edge I'm on or because I'm getting tired and I know it will drive him over his edge. Short answer: pounding really depends on the situation, pounding away forever is never a good thing.

This is exactly why we don't allow girl/guy texting. Either girl/girl, guy/guy, or group only. We want to keep everything out in the open with no 'sneaking' behind anyones backs.

Either group texting with everyone involved from the males phone or the two men texting and/or two women texting. Almost nothing good comes from the man/other woman (or woman/other man) texting. If you aren't willing to share the text with everyone, then it's probably not a good idea.

Your husband probably is liking the attention and that a woman other than his wife is interested in him. HOWEVER, since you two will not be playing with either one of them, he needs to just block her on his phone. Trust and communication: without an abundance of both, swinging is not a good idea and one no from either of you equals a no for the both of you. Talk to him and explain your concern and ask him to stop talking with her (and he should be willing to do so without even thinking about it).

I never understood using the term 'sloppy' seconds. Yes, it does make her well lubricated but I don't think sloppy at all. I've always considered that the other man simply got her in the mood and lubed up for me. I, too, love being second, or even third! But I'd like to think that I'm always last!

I like to lock my husband in his cock cage so there will be no jacking off while I am on my date. Usually I will text him to take a Viagra just as I am about to get laid to add to his torment. But as for what he does, e goes out to dinner sometimes, or even to a strip club while I am on a date. Tara

It can be very erotic sitting at home, knowing that your wife is getting fucked by another guy and will soon return home with a freshly fucked pussy.