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I couldn't agree more! I have very definite opinions about this but I realize that those who agree will applaud, and those who don't will say something nasty. Whatever the case, what my husband and I have gained from this (and we are big time swingers), is a sense of renewed closeness. We have turned back to only each other for sex and comfort. It has been remarkable to feel so close again.

Pretty sure no one is going to convince others who have opposite opinion regarding the how's and why's of where we are at. Plenty of other places on the internet to go debate that with people. Please let's try to keep the discussion away from the politics and to the original subject, which is how is coronavirus going to influence your swinging.

There is only 8 confirmed cases in our province of Saskatchewan! They have already closed schools for the rest of the year and told people that can work from home to stay home. We have put our swinging life on hold for now, until things calm down. Although we are both healthy due to our clean eating habits and daily exercise it is not worth it to us to take a chance of getting it and spreading it to others around us that are not so healthy. Seems like a pretty selfish thing to risk other people’s health to get a little extra on the side.

I was just thinking if anyone had started a thread about this. Glad I came here this am. I am, however, surprised by some of the posts. I agree that panic and denial are useless positions. But i don't agree with the idea that this is just another 'hoax'. I'm also not concerned about myself. I am very healthy but I do worry about others. There is a virus spreading, silently and invisibly throughout the world. It does kill people. Does it kill as many as other diseases, maybe not, but cancers, diabetes, heart disease are contained within the body of the infected/sick person, this is NOT. And the number of people who claim to be immune-compromised is FAR LOWER than actually are. The human race has been destroying it's natural immune systems for 50 years. And, viruses mutate. So, next time might be worse, more virulent than now. And those that get covid-19 and survive or have no symptoms may not be so fortunate next time, and there will be a next time. I think what's missing is that even if a person doesn't die from the virus, they can develop life long issues because of it. So, death is not the only measure of the long term effects of this virus. Plus, as with the flu, a new strain may develop every year or two making control of the problem more and more difficult. It's not hard to imagine a virus like Covid-19 becoming our new reality with deaths each year reaching 10's of thousands like the flu and at the same time never being reported in the media. Regarding children: they do not appear to get the virus, but they do carry it. So, as with healthy adults, children may be vectors for spreading the virus without ever knowing they are infected. Potentially spreading it to another child that takes it home to their immuno-compromised parent or grandparent. How is ignoring and playing down the spread and seriousness of Covid-19 not the same as anti-vacers and measles? I think the real problem, is that we really don't understand the virus, have any plan for controlling the spread. We're flying blind and that's scary. So, taking precautions, thinking of how our actions might affect others and erroring on the side of caution seems to make sense.

Wonderful fantasy of having more than one man with woman , three men or a gangbang , but I have a question: - Can a woman really take more than two men in one night? For example, 3 or more men without feeling full or tired? My wife said she had not tried this, but she thinks it is possible , And she mentioned to me a specific reason, I want your opinions?

We’ve talked about it for a long time...been to a couple clubs and met some people. We really enjoy the lifestyle and the friendliness of the people and the non-judgemental, accepting attitudes. At the club, we love the sexy atmosphere...the music and dancing. Frankly we also find it very erotic to watch. BUT...we’ve decided that the actual full swap isn’t for us. Do we still fit in somewhere??

Ms Vaitape has had more than a dozen in one evening on several occasions. All in good fun, all with a good mindset. She always finishes with Mr Vaitape.

Yes, and it all comes under swinging. Even if it is just same room sex with another couple (no cross-couple touching), it's still swinging (and sexy as heck). The thing you need to be careful about is that same room sex is gateway sex to having the women start touching each other and from there it is just a slippery slope Welcome to the club. You are still doing something that the huge majority of the people can't even talk about, let alone experience.

Our first experience at a club was last month at Trapeze in FLA. Safe to say that we were both very nervous not having been to anything like that before or experienced any Lifestyle events. We had a great dinner before hand with a couple of drinks and said that while they idea of going would be fun, and prepping for it was amazing (with her picking out an outfit and getting her self ready mentally) maybe it would be too much for us. After dinner, she surprised me and said, why don't we drive by and at least see what the place looks like from the outside. Who was I to argue. Making the short drive up we made nervous small talk and pulled up front seeing the valets parking cars and people waiting to head into the door. People of all shapes and sizes, but very sexy dressed and clearly looking to have fun. We drove around the block a few times doing the should we or should we not go in routine. Eventually, my girl made the decision to head home and say that this was a good first step. I totally understood, and to a certain extent had a breath of relief as I was super nervous to, but tried to play it off as nothing. We drove about 10 minutes in silence before looked at me and told me to turn the car around. She said that she would regret chickening out, and at worst, we can go in, walk around for a bit, and leave. No harm done. My jaw hit the floor and I quickly pulled a u-turn. She hopped in the back seat of the car and started to pull on the outfit that she picked out the week before. She looked smoking hot. My eyes bulged out of my head looking through the rearview. Pulling up to the valet was the point of no return. A couple of cars pulled in behind us and it was time to leave the safety of the car. We got out of the car and headed to the line. She went with confidence that I never expected and it seemed like the nerves were through. She told me afterwards that leaving the car and walking in was the hardest part. Not being in the club, dancing, going to the playroom, but simply walking in the door. We awkwardly do the whole new member check-in, but are comforted by the fact that others are doing the same. We went on couples night to avoid the single guys as we had read that they can sometimes make it a little more intense for newbies. After check-in, we head to the bar area and realize that with our nervousness, we forgot our drinks in the car....(real pros here!). We ask for a couple of waters so we don't seem like fish out of water and head to the area around the dance floor. Its our first time experiencing anything like this and it took us a bit to take it all in. People were having a great time. Lots of range in age. But I would think that most were mid-30's to early 50's which put us (both in late 30's) at ease. There were older and there were younger but I would say most fit in that range. If anyone is torn-up by what to wear to one of these clubs, don't be. The guys were all pretty standard, dress pants and a shirt, while the girls ranged from trying out for the AVN hosting awards, to looking like they just came from work at an office. I would definitely say that most were on the less is more vain, but no one looked out of place and it seemed like a pretty accepting and inviting group. Lots of couples dancing and at about 11:00, the place was absolutely packed. We both looked wide-eyed at each other and commented a number of times that we were amazed at how many people are into this and that they all seem pretty normal. There were a few folks on the older side who were going at it pretty good which was a bit weird given that the playroom was like 10 feet away, but hey, whatever floats there boat. We danced a bit, kissed a ton and my hand moved her dress over her ass. Super big turn on for both of us being so inhibited in public like that. I would say we were very much into each other, maybe in hindsight a bit too much, because we didn't really get approached by anyone at that time despite the fact that we would both be described as being very fit and her very attractive. Despite not thinking about it too much, we ended up at the side of the dance floor where the entrance to the playroom is. We saw the people coming in and going out. Towels in hand. Our eyes both pop out as a very attractive girl comes out of the play area with no towel on and wades through the crowd naked to the bar to retrieve her bottle....We joked to each other that it must be fun in there as we keep an eye on the door opening and closing. After a few more deep kisses we agree that there's no harm in going in and checking it out. The same as there was no harm in coming in in the first place. We got the locker room, change out of our close in a way to small room with a bunch of others head over to the door. As we walk in we hear the moans of someone obviously having great sex and a ton of people walking around in just towels. We wander through the crowd to the open play areas, turn the corner and get smacked in the face by a full on orgy. Keep in mind that we're completely new to this, so it takes a moment to sink in that its okay to look. It was obviously a turn on for both me and Mrs. to see the group of people enjoying themselves. There's no room to sit and just joining in would be going a little too quick for us, so we stand and start playing, the towels coming off. The Mrs. left a g-string on just to get her mind over being naked in a group and I have to say it was very sexy as basically everyone else was walking around in a towel. It was super hot to see my beautiful girl confident wearing just that. We played a bit, watched a bit, kept mostly to ourselves other than a brief welcomed interruption by a woman wanting to touch a bit. We eventually found a spot and hand mind blowing sex with people watching and walking by. Definitely a high-light. After a couple of more laps in the private area we decided that it was a bit of overload and it was time to call it a night. Overall it totally exceeded our expectations. The people were nice, the facility clean. There was no pressure to do anything and it was just about having a good time and being into your version of fun. Not drinking was actually a great think as it allowed us to be a bit more clearheaded and even though I was bone sober, there was a fog after with sensory overload. It took us a few days to get over the fog and actually have an intelligent conversation about it. We both agree that it was a great experience and that we were happy at how far it went (and didn't go). She was very much into the idea of going again and has mentioned a few times since that now that we've gotten the first experience out the way, shes looking forward to visiting a club like that or a party without the first time nerves. Just a few thoughts if anyone is looking at doing something like this for the first time too. a. Its okay to be nervous b. Only do what you both really want to do, there shouldn't be any pressure by either hubby or wife. Let it happen organically. c. There's always tomorrow if you have second thoughts and don't go through with it. d. Get a spot early in the playroom as it fills up fast. e. Don't forget your booze in the car! XX00 LC

My wife and I know several couples who swap softly only. Consider meeting soft-swap people as a possible path.

"Let's face it the federal response and action was and continues to be pathetic". What more would you have the feds do? The federal CDC has, in conjunction with the federal Surgeon General recognized the virus as a potential serious health problem and set many of the guidelines being followed by the individual states. The CIC (that would be the federal Commander in Chief in case you're confused) has ordered Navy hospital ships to either coast to assist our biggest cities. Would you have the Guard and Reserves activated? If you do that for medical personnel, where do you think they come from? I'll tell you where, the medical corps will come from your local hospitals, nursing homes, fire and ems stations, etc and mine. Do you want soldiers at each intersection? How would that help anything? And again, where will they come from? Would you like maybe 20% of your local police department sent off to guard a grocery store in a city three states away?? In a system such as ours, the states hold every day power. They can follow federal guidelines to the letter or they can do more or less than recommended. The federal government can step in at the request of the states. So far, no state has made that request. The federal government can control the borders and they're doing so even though its something that a month ago you probably thought of as a bad thing. The federal government can and has limited air travel as well and restricted foreign travel. And the federal government has taken steps to repatriate and care for US citizens stranded on cruise ships and in other countries. What has led to "fear and panic" is the steady drumbeat of 'the sky is falling' stories all across the 24 hour news cycle. It really doesn't matter if you're watching CNN, Fox or the big 3 networks although the same basic spin comes from the big 3, their subsidiaries and affiliates and CNN. The media love nothing better than drama and crisis and since most of outlets are left of center and no friend of the current POTUS or his party they have an agenda well beyond simply informing the public. What we're getting is the 21st century version of the yellow journalism of the late 1800's. Its no public service.

We believe that politicians and news have promoted CoVid 19 to ruin the economy, blame the president, and making the public dependent on the government. Once again, the latest numbers: Total cases: 15,219 Total deaths: 201 The flu has and will kill more people and we are not up in arms and sheltering in place from it. Some facts from John Hopkins Medical (there's a bunch of info here comparing the CoVid 19 to the flu): Deaths COVID-19: Approximately 13,592 deaths reported worldwide; 340 deaths in the U.S., as of Mar. 22, 2020.* Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu And again from the CDC regarding the flu: CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 14, 2020, there have been: 23,000 – 59,000 flu deaths https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm I know, don't let facts and the truth interfere with your panic. Don't get me wrong, this isn't a good thing and I do believe it really is something that is going on, but over 500,000 people will die from the flu this year and nobody gives it a single thought and in the mean time, we are destroying businesses and peoples lives based on fear. Don't take my word on it, check the facts out for yourself.

My gal loves for MMFMs, having two guys join us. We start off with a guy sucking each nipple and the third sucking her clit. Since she takes a long time to orgasm, we usually rotate between positions at least once. After she has an orgasm, she lets us know what she wants next, and next, etc. She usually wears out all three of us (guys) before she is sated.

Unfortunately, self-serving politicians and some unscrupilus news media have promoted COVID19 as a political motivated hoax. As a result actions that should have been taken in early Jan in the US were not taken, and now the virus is spreading in the US almost unchecked, and our medical system is not prepared to cope with it. Because many people who have contracted and can spread COVID19 may not have symptoms for five to seven days, you have no way of knowing that the person you are playing with is a carrier on not. To me, that is like playing Russian Roulette with five bullets in the chamber of a six chamber revolver.

So far, our record is three. She didn't consider herself at her limit.

My wife has had more than three on many a night. Other things cause a limit: If one guy is very rough, if more than enough alcohol is consumed, etc,