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If any group should be open minded about sexuality and sexual choices, it should be swingers. Swinging is arguably more outside the “norm” than homosexuality at this point.

Okay, here I go again . . . In 1948 Alfred Kinsey and his team postulated that there are seven degrees of sexual orientation, from 'exclusively heterosexual' (level 0) to 'exclusively homosexual (level 6), where an individual from levels 1-5 fit describes just how hermaphroditic they are. (They preferred that term to 'bi-sexual.') There is also a further category 'X' that alludes to people who are asexual. The original studies, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953) are great readings, if you like science and statistics. (Guilty!) The Wikipedia articles on 'Kinsey Scale' and 'Kinsey Reports' aren't bad. Of course, since then there have been many, many studies that have furthered the research (or muddied the waters, depending on your point of view.) But most of them that I've studied simply come to much the same conclusion - Bisexuality is a part of human nature and should be considered sexual orientation as much as Heterosexuality and Homosexuality.

"if a woman isn't a bi sexual but is fingered to an orgasm by a bisexual while blindfolded during an orgy does she then get labeled a bisexual" I'd bet that 97% of the population will never have to consider this. ?? Too bad for them. ? On and totally agree about the labels.

What is it about 21st century America that seems to dictate that damned near every thing and every activity is required to have a label? Once a label is decided upon then we have to quantify every sub activity as well, such as, is a guy bi if he touches another penis switching places during a 3-some. Is a woman bi if she licks another woman's nipples or is she bi-lite? Then, somebody has to design a ribbon, a flag, and bumper sticker and we might even have a bi-sexual history month and maybe a museum. Where does it end??? And then there's the flip side, if a woman isn't a bi sexual but is fingered to an orgasm by a bisexual while blindfolded during an orgy does she then get labeled a bisexual or will she be (gasp), a victim of bisexuality. Then we'll need a whole new flag and bumper sticker and even a hashtag and maybe a congressional investigation. The 60's had a concept that has been lost over time: if it feels good…..do it! and I would add don't label it, just do it.

We like to play with one couple at a time, i fact, once we find a compatible couple we like to stick with them, assuming that is what they want too. How do we know? We ask and hope were are not getting just a story. We are always honest with our play partners, That is why we have not had that many.

For us, we'll start again once the country gets back up and running and we're fairly confident that Wuhan has run its course and the worst is over. We intend to be tested for the antibodies in hopes of determining whether we're immune. Neither of us have been sick since late February. We've always been very careful who we play with and will likely limit ourselves initially to couples who we trust implicitly and intimately. Until there is some kind of herd immunity, a vaccine or pretty solid evidence that the danger has largely passed I doubt swingers clubs or large M&G's will be able to operate successfully so for the time being, we'll still be very careful about proximity and large groups. This is the first time since we started swinging in 2003 that we've gone more than 2 months without lifestyle activity of any kind. While we have an active, playful and satisfying love life at home, we're both missing the variety and the eroticism of getting naked and sharing with friends.

I think this is a complicated subject, we don't have all the information, and none of us have gone through anything like this before - so trying to foretell the future is hard. But I take the writings of those who have gone through other wide spread social upheavals to heart when they say that things will never get back to normal - at least if we define normal as the way things were - the way we were - before this started. Sure things will become less restrictive, and less anxious, but the emotional and social scars of this (literally) global event will be with us all forever. I won't be surprised to see a huge uptick in folks struggling with agoraphobia and social anxiety when this is all over, you cannot go through several months of actively avoiding (and being worried by) being in close proximity to others and not have that leave a lasting mark. We're all struggling with grief over the loss of our regular routines, our plans, our excitement for the future, but when this period of physical distancing ends, I expect we'll all struggle with the inherent changes that brings too (It'll just be traumatic in different ways - restaurants, bars, and clubs that couldn't survive; people who are no longer here, or the same; feelings of guilt or residual fear). Some folks may jump into the fray as if to try to reclaim what was lost, or make up for lost time, but I suspect that many of those will suffer aftershocks of anxiety, guilt, and fear that they are not expecting. Some may never be able to let go of the fear that being around others is an existential danger at all. I don't know. I do know, that regardless, we need to be kind to ourselves, and to each other. This is big, and scary, and the future is uncertain. Stay safe all. D

I think things will happen much like Fundamental Law expects. I actually think swinging, at least in some form, will come back fast once a tipping point is reached. Whether that happens one week, one month, six months, or a year after the peak crisis from a strictly pandemic point of view, hard to tell. At some point though, there will be be mass movement to the new normal mindset. I don't think that's unique to swinging either, the trend will track the same way on a lot of other things that are part of people's lives. Whether that's wise or not, or can even be supported by the facts and data, I wouldn't want to guess that, but at some point, it will happen. What the trigger will be isn't predictable either, but it likely won't be a result of any official announcement by any medical expert or public figure. Instead, it will just be a shift in the zeitgist to a "well that sucked, but time to move on." I agree testing will play a big role in all of this. When it comes to swinging specifically, I suspect it will be similar to STD testing. For some it's a nonnegotiable necessity, for others, they don't give it a second thought.

It's an excellent topic. One might also reasonably ask, "How does swinging come back?". The central problem is that "social distancing", which is an oxymoron of sorts (see also "jumbo shrimp"), is inimical to intimacy generally and swinging specifically. One might guess that it will be staged. Private pools will open for the spring/summer season in North America, and we would expect couples to have couples over for bit of nude relaxation. We also expect that couples' dating will resume first with "couples (you/we) know", and maybe based on knowledge/experience of their focus on healthy habits. We think it will be a while before clubs, big boats, big houseparties and so on will return. We think the LS will also be changed a bit. Some couples in the LS will decide that "it's not worth the risks anymore". Other couples will figure out from having lost people they care about that life is indeed a lot shorter and a lot less controlled than we would like to think and say, "this is our time to explore the LS". Still others will stay in the LS but change their play patterns as a deliberate risk management strategy. We are waiting for serology testing to surface. We had an illness in January that certainly could have been Covid-19--"bad colds" but of course the virus was not thought to be in the USA at that time and there was not even a glimmer of what was happening and what would happen. More generally, we think testing for SARS-CoV-2 -- both for the virus and for the serologic response--will become commonplace, and we think/hope that LS people will see the importance of timely testing. What are your thoughts? One more thing: at least you can eat a "jumbo shrimp".

In any threesome there is a point where it is a two-some with the third not having an active role. This can often cause some discomfort and even hurt if they players don't understand this and even talk about it. I've been the special guest star and recognize when the couple are into each other and not me. I try to do what I can to let them enjoy even if I just stay close. A couple not prepared for this can be caught off guard. Good communication is the ultimate intimacy.

Kitty, I agree. When Mary is having a really, really great time with a guy, I figure it's best not to interfere, I'll just mess it up! The first rule of MFMs for me is it's all about her.

This is an old thread revived but am glad it was. Some very good info though thats been informative reading. From a fantasy and role play experience perspective, I can’t imagine just sitting back watching, but who knows when the moment comes (at least for part of it). Ideally, we’d both be focusing on her, either one in her Pussy whilst she’s giving oral, or one in her Pussy whilst her clit is being sucked, or her nipples or kissing her mouth or neck and stroking the rest of her body. Just because one penis is inside her doesn’t mean that the rest of her body can’t be stimulated in some manner or other. Ultimately - what do the women find they enjoy the most? Both guys actively working on them? Being fucked and sucking a cock at the same time? being watched whilst being fucked etc, or a mix of all of the above ? Cheers

Wow I hate this topic, but here goes... My husband and I have talked about this a lot along with many of our lifestyle friends. I made the mistake of telling my husband a few years back that he was the smallest of all of my partners. Truth - his penis is statistically average or maybe a bit below - honestly I have no idea. It just happened that most my partners had bigger cocks. No big deal to me and honestly I never really thought about it, but it was a major deal to him so I felt the need to really talk it out since I opened Pandora's box. I tried to relate to him and put it like this - we go to nude beaches, nude resorts and play with a lot of couples and singles. I have seen and played with many naked men. Do I like the way a fit guy looks with a thick, long well-shaped shaped penis - hell yes. Do I like the way a fit guy looks with a smaller well-shaped penis with a tight set of balls - hell yes - actually the second one a little better TBH. As far as sex goes, I think it's like explaining the difference between a well oiled perfect handjob, a long slow blow job with lots of attention to every part, and a nice long penetration session. Each feels amazing and ends with an incredible climax - but each is unique and special in its own way. Do I love the way a long hard thick cock feels as my pussy relaxes, accepts it and it slides all the way in - hell yes. Do I love the way an average sized cock feels as it enters and hits my spot with a nice swollen head - hell yes. Do I love the way a smaller cock feels as it rubs my opening, my clitoris and slides inside me with balls pressed against me - hell yes. Can I climax, and quiver and even squirt a little from each - hell yes. Does each feel different - absolutely. Is one orgasm better than the other- absolutely not. Am I more concerned about the mans passion, attentiveness to me and his stamina - absolutely. Do I love seeing or feeling the cum flow from any shape or sized cock knowing that I helped make that happen - absolutely. Every cock is unique - every one is special. The only thing that matters is having a partner that is willing to give every inch of themselves to me to pleasure and enjoy. I hope this helps guys - your cocks are amazing. Whip.them.out, get them hard and make somebody happy! Keep it clean, keep it groomed and keep it hard!

My first time was with a couple who wanted to have a 3-some with an uncircumcised guy. Once she had me in her mouth she all the sudden stopped and asked if her hubby could have a taste. What was I to say? I've been fine with it ever since and had a taste myself.

My first was with a couple that started off as a hotwife/threesome but rapidly progressed to the husband being a sub cuckold. We had planned my first sleepover with them which started with me fucking her while he watched and after I blew my load in her pussy he wanted to eat her but she was kinda uncomfortable with it. She cleaned my cock and as soon as she was done he kissed her before she could react, and said she tasted good. We went out for drinks and dinner and on the drive back she got in the back seat and after sucking and fucking I left another load in her pussy. We got back to their place and did a few rounds of shots and were nicely buzzed and naked messing around. He asked me if I had cum in her pussy and the second I said yes he went down on her while I kinda sat on her face with my cock in her mouth. After a few mins he got on top of her in missionary while she was still sucking me and he put his head by hers. For a while she alternated sucking me and kissing him and then he asked me permission to suck my cock. She moaned when she heard him and I said yes and they both started sucking me while kissing each other. The dominance was HOT and we had many evenings of him sucking me ready, cleaning me up etc

Mine was during a three way with my wife and buddy. We had been getting after it hot and heavy. We’d usually have a little cock touching as we wound tack turns going in and out of her at the same time. But this night he starting grabbing my cock and using it to fuck her and he’d also slide his fingers inside her stroking my cock. Then he grabbed both our cocks together and pushed both of us in her pussy at the same time. It felt so hot us touching while inside her I started coming almost immediately. Then as he was fucking her still I flipped around to eat her pussy and he pulled out slid his cock in my mouth. Then I slid him back into her and watched as he fucked her up close and personal. Haven’t had another experience since.

I am accustomed to meeting new friends for drinks or coffee with no expectation of play. Afterwards, people can decline to pursue fun for any reason. The rule is be sensitive. "No thank you, we are not a match," is enough. Just don't ghost the other party. This is a small community and gaining a reputation as discourteous or worse can be harmful to further fun.

I guess my first experience started at a gangbang party I arranged for a couple I met online. The husband contacted me and asked if I had a few friends that would be interested in playing with his wife. I contacted a few guys and gave them the details. We arrived at the hotel and the wife was dressed sexy and ready to go. After a couple of drinks, the wife hopped on the bed and signaled that she was ready to start playing. One after another we took turns with her. Lots of sloppy seconds and thirds that night. Just as the last guy moved off the bed the husband dove in head first and started cleaning his wife up. At the time, there was so much adrenaline flowing I don't think anyone stopped to consider whether or not what we had just done was bi or not but it happened and we were all cool with it. The same couple contacted me again a few months later with a similar request. Except this time, the husband asked me to come over early before the other guys arrived. He said he and the wife had smoked a joint and wanted to get really freaky tonight. I headed over there and we started drinking and smoking. Out of nowhere, the wife told me to have a seat and ordered her husband to get on his knees and suck my cock. She came over, grabbed him by the neck, and pushed his mouth further down on my cock. Next she kneeled down and started to help him with the task. Once again, my adrenaline was flowing and I didn't dare ask them to stop. Plus the look in her eyes was one of pure lust. Later that night we did another gangbang and I remember that was the first time I saw her squirt. After my experience with that couple and seeing how turned on his wife was I have been hooked on couples that share cock ever since.

First time was in a 4some with my wife at a swing club. We had settled into a room and were playing with ourselves. Then an attractive older woman knocked on the door and asked to join. Soon as we said yes she dived right between my wife's legs and started eating her out. Which was an indescribably hot first for us as well. After she made my wife cum she started going down on me and went straight to fingering my ass while she blew me. I murmured to her that I bet she's great with a strap-on which lit her up with a devious grin. Then her husband joined as well, which to be honest we never realized we were agreeing to a package deal. He was a tall built prison guard. Things progressed to an outright full swap with us fucking each other's wives. In between rounds there was a little chit chat where he mentioned they were open-minded. When the action heated back up again I was having an internal debate about whether I should go for it and make a move on the husband. His wife was blowing him and I just went for it. Started licking and sucking his cock with her. It felt so strange having that warm hard yet soft cock between my lips. A mixture of what I expected and not. But I was really enjoying it. I mentioned to her that it was my first time and she smiled and fed my his cock. He said it was his first time as well. My wife watched and made out with him as I blew him. His wife got behind me and stuck some fingers up my ass then held her hand against herself and mimed fucking me, clearly enjoying this like it had been a long fantasy of hers. He then said he wanted to fuck my wife again so I slipped a condom on him and guided his cock into my wife as she lowered herself onto him. Then put a condom on myself and fucked his wife. We both came and collapsed in a heap of bodies. Not long after another girl asked to join! We started playing with her but not long after her girlfriend came in and scolded her for leaving her to the creepy single guys out there, which ended that session as quickly as it started. But hey, technically a 5some? We exchanged numbers with the couple at the end of the night but never met up with them again. My wife is only really interested in one night stands in the swinging world. After I felt, I don't know, some sort of pride in myself for finally trying it. Also wondered why I waited so long(mid 20s). Now 15 or so years later have only sucked three other cocks, and been fucked by a nice thick BBC. We don't swing often. Once every few years sorta deal. We have fun with strap-ons and realistic dildos on odd occasion. But I'm finding at around the 5 year mark I just have a need for another cock. I become a bit obsessed with it and just need to vent that energy. Which is right about now... Wife also wants to try a gang bang, so I'm sure we can work that out as a two birds one stone situation. Looking forward to that next experience. We're going to be visiting family in Ohio in July but staying in an airbnb for the week. May well happen there.

My first time was I with a friends wife doggie style and he was licking her at the same time. As I came and pulled out, he took me in his mouth and cleaned me off. I liked tht and have done it many times on both sides many times. the wife loves it that way.

We were with our neighbor. There was a ton of sexual tension between my wife and him. We ended up drinking and flirting. He and I began rubbing her tits nd making out. She undressed for us and and started sucking our cocks. She sucked his cock while I fucked her from behind - his dick was perfect and a lot bigger than mine. I could tell she was totally into him so I invited him to switch with me. I got on my back nd had her straddle my face - i figured it would drive her wild to have be eating her while he pounded her with his big cock. She came very fast and I shot a load in her mouth. when she was ready he put his cock in her again. While he was fucking i just instinctively rubbed his shaft with my tongue. As he pulled out of her i took the head of his cock in my mouth. He went back and forth between my mouth and her pussy until he finally went balls deep in her and ejaculated. I sucked his balls and could feel his thick cock pulsing as he put his load in her. It was a first for all of us. My wife was so turned on by the whole experience. We laid around afterwards and she continued to kiss us and play with our cocks. I held his cock as she sucked him off - he came again. My wife masturbated watching him sucking my cock. We sat back nd jerked off together until we both shot another load. She continues to totally get off seeing me with another guy.

The first time was playing with another couple, the women are bi and wanted us men to suck one another after a swap. Did it to make them happy, and it was good. Later with another couple, the husband had already cum in my wife's ass, while I was in his wife's pussy, but hadn't cum. My wife joked that I should now stick it in his ass, his wife agreed. So I withdrew from her cunt and finished in him. It was hot enough that I got hard again not much later and bum fucked his wife too.

Hmmmm, I've read the other responses and don't think that's what a MFM 3sum is about at all...... I think that the two men are supposed to make the woman the center of their attentions and concentrate on making her lose track of time and all else..... we suck on both tits at the same time... maybe suck a little pussy too.... some of us like to eat a little pussy while she's being fucked.... :-) I don't think there is a female alive that hasn't thought about what it would be like....... :-) and it's a special turn on for us guys to know that she's getting what she wants! :-) Ron the Rascal - Rascal@cyberdude.com

We had one male third that had a problem getting comfortable with me being there, but with others, there have been no inhibitions at all. She loves being the center of attention and two men sucking her nipples drives her wild. I also enjoy watching her and another man going one-on-one and it's the same for the other man, since he also needs rest and recovery time. I think nature has physically designed the female body to easily accomodate two men and it seems perfectly natural once you get past any jealousy issues. MFM is our favorite combination for recreational sex, but she would also like to try three men, to see what it's like.

Hey Bear123, We both see our MMF encounters as an opportunity for everyone to play, sometimes together and sometimes one male is just watching. For my SO, having two men at the same time is mindblowing. She may be getting fucked from behind and sucking the others cock, sometimes she's just riding one of us and the other is laying next to her watching and carressing her. We have also just put on shows. One man and one woman while the other watches. Often this occurs when one of the men needs a break and the other just can't keep his hands off of her. And, yes often, the watching male JOs. It has never seemed weird at all. I mean once we got over the fact that we're having sex with partial strangers, getting naked in large groups of people etc etc. Well, sitting and JO seems quite "normal". As long as everyone is having fun then it's all good. We are very non-judgemental which carriues over to our play as well. Whatever anyone wants to do and everyone is ok then its not weird. It's an opportunity to express ourselves in a very positive and fullfilling manner. Have agreat time, watch, touch yourself or not, talk to them or not, even make requests fo what you'd like to see. This could all also be a ery big turn on for your SO.

Ummm, well, my hubby and I have done the FMF on several occasions and the last time I mostly just watched...IT. WAS. GREAT. I have always known that I enjoyed watching others get it on, but when you get to watch someone you love do that to someone else, well, it was a total turn on. I touched myself some and even touched them some, but for the most part I just watched and even told them what I liked seeing or maybe what I wanted to see them do and so on. Nope, it ain't awkward and you won't feel like a dope and most likely you will probably masturbate or at least touch yourself some because it just feels good. Yeah, it all works out and it's most exciting to watch.