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Actually ... yes they do. I refer you to Jacobson v. Massachusetts from 1905, in which the SCOTUS determined — as described in Wikipedia — “that the freedom of the individual must sometimes be subordinated to the common welfare and is subject to the police power of the state.” So we can debate whether they’ve gone too far all you want to, but they’re absolutely within their rights!

That's the point - the wave of a hand, the stroke of the pen, and 'poof' your precious "rights" can be gone in a flash.

Is the reopening within the local guidelines? It would be nice if we could trust people to always do the right thing, but they don’t. Some areas have lowered the curve, not had the expected surge. We do know there are silent spreaders and the virus has been detected three weeks after initial testing. So much for temperature checks and two week quarantines. I understand those at risk wanting to feel safe too, but I can’t live in constant fear. I find the mask police annoying, wish I could be trusted to go to the beach and socially distance myself. There is an unhealthy side to the isolation and anxiety. Grocery shopping has an added weight, some days I don’t want to go outside for a walk. Unfortunately a public health concern has become a political issue. On a lighter side the fact that research has been done to detect the virus in semen of very sick patients, some hospitalized at the time the samples were obtained. How do you ask for that lab sample? Who and why did this come up? Stay safe, take care of yourselves. Hope for some good to come out of this in the long run.

Compared to the risks of swinger sex, the virus is FAR more troublesome. Last I checked getting a woman pregnant via swinging didn't mean all the women would get pregnant nor their friends in their vanilla life. We shouldn't compare the virus to things that are self-contained like STD's, etc.

The limits of individual rights vs. society-wide concerns are constantly evolving. For instance, the owners of public accommodation had the right — affirmed by prior court decisions— to discriminate based on race until the Supreme Court ruled they didn’t. This week the Wisconsin Supreme Court overruled the state’s governor’s plan to provide better public safety by extending the state’s-wide lockdown. There have been several similar state and federal (lower) court rulings. We should expect more of these decisions, depending on the overall political leanings of states’ appellate courts. It remains to be seen what the effect of these court decisions overruling executive office emergency social-distancing edicts will be on the public health of our nation. Given the diversity within our 50 state governments we have an interesting natural-world experiment our nation is embarking on. The limits of the novel coronavirus’s strengths will decide which public health and economic approaches provide better results.

What we think of as rights are actually temporary privileges that can be revoked whenever they want. Just ask all those American citizens (of Japanese heritage) that were put in internment camps during WWII. I can hear them right now - "But, I have rights..."

I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but I've never been having a hard time cumming and thought to myself "oh no, I'm going to have to screw too hard for too long". Let's be real. We're guys. We take the condom off because we want it off.

I think that you guys are more polyamorous than you are swingers. Swinging is more of a series of one off events. Polyamory defines your relationships. Much more ingrained in your daily life, not a hobby that can be given up. Just an observation.

For us, giving up swinging would be giving up the family: one of the two guys who I love and each fathered one of my babies, and giving up the two women who I love even more, and their children (who were father by the same men) and I love as much as my own children. The answer is "No," I couldn't see giving up what we have.

Is there a swinger manual where it says exactly where and how a partner can cum? Or where it describes what is acceptable or unacceptable to do while engaged in recreational sex? Is there a chapter where cum on tits or face is a requirement and cum inside is prohibited?? Here's a concept: what is a "shall" or "shall not" for you may be optional or situational for someone else. Sex is about orgasms and I'd prefer that you don't tell us where ours should occur. Unless of course there IS a swingers manual and you wrote it. The OP made a bad mistake and then compounded it. She's guilt ridden and depressed and could probably benefit from more sympathy and less pompous finger pointing. I think from reading her post, she's more than a little aware that she made two serious mistakes.

Welcome to Swingersboard.

We (especially me) have to remember to be careful what we say and do around vanilla friends. It's very liberating being around other swingers and being able to talk about...well anything. Sex, attraction, whatever. That's not acceptable with vanilla friends...'me and the Ms. were having sex the other day when she did this thing to me...' usually ends up with them looking back with HUGE eyes and shock on their face(s). Trying to 'fix' the situation by saying 'oh, she was just showing me what her boyfriend and girlfriend taught her last weekend' doesn't help at all either. We also find all those clothes that we have to wear rather confining at times with our vanilla friends. Telling a female friend that she looks really hot, especially in front of the Ms. can get some strange reactions as well. All of these are reasons that we have spent so much time trying to find swingers that are friends...with benefits. It's very liberating not to have to worry about what you say...in fact being able to say what you want and be able to openly talk about sex. If only we could be so 'open' with our close vanilla friends...

Eastinwest: We are granting you permission to make it into a short story...or even better a long story! Great story either way, feel free to tell more...