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Here is the editorial that accompanied publication of the Henry Ford study. This comes from the experts who peer-reviewed the study. Please read the section on strengths and limitations, and further the conclusion: "It is a failing of healthcare systems and research infrastructure that the protocolization of unproven therapies is exponentially easier to execute than participation in pragmatic randomized controlled trials. Moving forward, we encourage academic centers to commit to participating in the necessary Journal clinical trials that will establish high quality evidence for safe and effective therapies in the shortest possible time." Again, we are strongly supportive of properly conducted RCTs. We cannot, however, support the widespread use of a drug with known side effects; where properly controlled trials have so far not shown a benefit; and where there is both opportunity and cause to operate properly controlled trials. To the extent that the Ford trial promotes equipoise, we strongly applaud. To the extent that people are trying to use the study to advocate for off-label use of the drug, we say: read the study, read the editorial, read the other studies and their editorials, and then (and only then) make an informed decision. editorialFord.pdf

UDSarge, why don't you rent two rooms, then after you can sleep in one room, the other couple can sleep in the other, and your wife who deserves a break can sleep with them? (Just kidding, I snore too!)

What I have always wondered...is it customary for couple to share a hotel room for an overnight visit, or each couple is responsible for their own room, have a fun in either or both of the rooms, and then go sleep in you own respective rooms. I am worried that my snoring would be a major turn-off. (I am great as a lover, but I am awful to share a night time bed with...I am just being honest ). Just wondering how that usually works

Thanks for you gracious remark. We'll confine our response to the Henry Ford trial report. Unlike a randomized controlled prospective trial, the Ford trial was a lookback (retrospective trial). The problem with that approach is that it doesn't always effectively deal with confounders. For example, a very large fraction of the patients who received HCQ also received a steroid (dexamethasone) that has been shown to improve outcomes. So it becomes problematic to separate the effect of the HCQ from that of dexamethasone. See Table 1 for the starting point. Now the authors tried to get around this by a procedure called "propensity matching", but that's a notoriously unreliable strategy. They ended up with only 190 (!) "matchable patients" who received HCQ (and 84/190 were given the dexamethasone), so the "2,500" number is wildly misleading. They did the best they could with the data they had; this is one reason why the trial was not reported in a first-tier (or for that matter, in a second-tier) journal. Again, we are not criticizing the effort or the report; we are just saying that people who are in this area professionally are trying to put the appropriate weight on both the data and the interpretation. Our read of the various trials is aligned with the read and action of the FDA--HCQ should not be administered outside of a prospective randomized controlled trial at this point. FORD_HCQ.pdf

Do American let their pets lick their faces? Yes. Think on it. The dog has been out in the yard tasting his own poop. The cat has been eating flea-infested mice. Semen, on the other hand, is sterile and does not smell like poop.

Particularly when it is someone other than the person who is stimulating your genitals in one way or another. It especially drives me wildly jealous when hubby is fucking me while kissing Lora.

For us the only sex acts we have done with swing partners that we haven’t done with each other are the ones that we can’t alone! We can’t really have her bent over getting fucked doggie by another guy at the same time her face is buried between his ladies legs tongue fucking her and my cock is in the other ladies throat. That stuff just doesn’t happen alone. Sure does in the lifestyle though if you want it to. One thing that is always the difference between us alone and us with others so far is there has always been heavy girl on girl play by her choice and because that is the situation we look for. That is and always has been her biggest attraction to the lifestyle. Being able to be who and what she is has been nothing, but a positive experience for both of us and our relationship so far. As for how the play has been different with repeat people compared to one offs we have seen things progress and get a little more adventurous with people we played with more then once, but by far the most intense, exciting, hot and uninhibited experience so far for us in the lifestyle was our first couple four-way that was a complete one and done.

Laura, who was fond of pleasant sensations, said having both breasts sucked while her pussy was being eaten was her second favorite permutation in swinging.

Oral after intercourse is hotter, especially if it's another couple that just finished intercourse. Then kissing.

We would absolutely kiss! We do now when he comes in my mouth. Cannot get enough of it!!! My husband has even grown accustomed so much to it that he even requests we do it. I have NEVER found a kiss to be more amazing than after sucking a guy. Most of my bfs were the same and so is my husband. The numbers of how many love it, like it, are okay with it drop off when I let them cum in my mouth and I wanted to kiss but I always required it of them all. Hey, they want to kiss like crazy after eating me out, what's the difference??? As far as kissing me with a mouthful, now that is a different issue by itself. Only the bi guys were into that but a few straight guys would do it with me (because they knew they could do practically anything with me afterwards). My husband had to get used to it and now is a cum aficionado along with me. :0

I'm a bi male and will eagerly kiss my wife after I or one of our friends cums in her mouth. I personally love the taste of cum so it has never been an issue with kissing her after she has just sucked me or someone else off. It is a VERY erotic moment when our tongues first touch and I can taste his dick and/or cum in her mouth.

I squirt when I am at the horniest level I could possibly imagine during sex and it produces the biggest most intense orgasms I have ever had. The first time, my hubby thought I had peed in the middle of our screaming and his whole body was literally drenched. I enjoy being on top, facing his feet, then rubbing my already engorged clit and piehole into my delicious cream on his face which makes me squirt even more. By time we are done, we are both totally wet and saturated from head to toe. Squirting is the ultimate sexual pleasure for me besides anal/tongue penetration with another hot woman.

I also thought big was strange. I'm surprised that the general consensus seems to be that big is great. PHEW!

Okay, guys, I'm getting really bored with this conversation. I'm not putting anyone down, just sayin . . . In this overly politicized atmosphere, some people are going to try to research every piece of scientific data out there, realizing that the science on this issue is constantly migrating as the scientists get more and more data and try to make sense of it. Other people, perhaps looking at the confusion in the scientific community, or just being people who don't trust science, are going to ballyhoo it. The former are going to be cautious, the latter are not going to wear face masks and gather in groups. This is the way it is right now, it's the way it's going to be for awhile. I get my data from various sites that I trust. I don't need a constant ongoing argument about it on a site that's meant to be about swinging. I'm bored with the conversation.