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From the original Ghostbusters: Dr. Peter Venkman: I make it a rule never to get involved with possessed people. [Sigourney Weaver keeps coming on to him.] Dr. Peter Venkman: Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule...

And therein lies the problem. If you're cheating, you're not destroying the system we're told to follow. We're breaking the norm, but acknowledging (even if tacitly) that it's not good. The system is sustained. Swinging breaks down the system, and thus is not acceptable. Or so the logic likely goes. I don't get it personally. I have a friend who objects to swinging but has been engaging in an affair with a married person. *boggle*

We find our lifestyle friends among the nicest people we know. Many couples have a tight relationship with good communication. They have a diverse sex life and healthy stimulation. Hedonism in life has its rewards!

We have had account with Adam & Eve forever. With Covid lockdowns we have been trying all new things weekly. Not sure how discreet their packaging. Our last purchase was the Satisfyer. This is not a cheap toy and works differently from a vibe. This works on the clitoris with a sucking and blowing sensation with air. Part of the fun is learning how to make it work for you. You need to have your clitoris sucked into an opening causing it to be sucked in. You control the intensity. Or you can vary the pressure. I love oral sex and this is oral sex on steroids. Alone or with Michael controlling the intensity, or supplementing the oral with his own mouth. Michael said that he enjoyed being in me while I had this working. No reason for any couple having only one type of toy when a new experience can be delivered in a few days.

Hrmf. I wish I could edit the html directly and segment this quote. Responding to "Shhh don't tell her I knew lol" ??? ?? ? On the clerk playing you...so rude. There's a chain of shops called Cirilla's (cirillas.com) scattered about the midwest. They are brightly lit, offer decent selection, no scuzzy hook up hallways in back, and usually staffed by women. My wife feels quite comfortable going into one, whereas any other shop of the same genre usually feels creepy to her. What happened to you likely would never happen in Cirilla's.

Been there done that and will do it again we it's safe to play in groups again.

It's still perfectly relevant today. People are far, far more taken aback at the idea that a married person is playing with permission than they are with the idea of a married person cheating. Cheating is more socially acceptable than swinging. I've seen this first hand.

Wu is a vibrator girl, has had a cordless AccuVibe forever since back when the Hitachi's were only corded. We like the Eroscillator for travel, light and focused powerful although corded, including a Euro plug. Actually speaking of focused there is one of it's attachments that I like Wu to lend to my urethral meatus when her clit and g-spot need breathers. Got to love traveling, can hardly wait for 2021, we hope!

My first toy was not life like, it was a vibrating plastic tube. I would insert it even if it was the vibration that was the real relief. My mom had in her drawer penis shaped vibes. Shhh don’t tell her I knew lol. When I built up my nerve to go to an adult store on 8th Ave in NYC I couldn’t believe all the different toys or the looks I was getting. Also couldn’t believe the prices. I thought the huge penises were gag gifts. I picked a red jelly like penis put my head down and went to pay. Just wanted to get out of the store. The clerk most likely saw my nervousness and played me. Called out to another Asian guy Hey how much is the eight inch jell vibe. I know everyone was looking at me. My answer to the original question is my favorite alone toy is a Hitachi Wand. A present from a girlfriend. It is very fast and efficient, maybe too intense. It isn’t for a long relaxing play so I mix in my fingers. TMI.

That is one First Post! I wonder what made you post this odyssey on a swinger forum and not a marital problems site.

Law, you make a good point . . . I'd vary in only one small detail. You say, "which (set of lives) is more authentic and which feels more contrived." Both the 'vanilla' and the 'lifestyle' lives can be authentic, neither needs to be contrived. They can both be 'real,' even if they are separate. For us, yes, what we do between the sheets with others, we love our swinger friends. But we also have a very satisfying vanilla life. Just two separate things.

An interesting sensation, and it gets to the heart of the dichotomy between what is generally referred to as "vanilla life" and "swinger life". At the outset of exploring the lifestyle. just about everyone keeps those two lives separate owing to the 'taboo' aspect of the LS. It's not uncommon, after making that switch a few times, to ask oneself (or, more accurately, for a couple to ask themselves) which is more authentic and which feels more contrived. At least some couples end up embracing the idea that their swinger life is simply a part of their lives, their swinger friends are authentic and so on.

Vibrator recommendations always break the ice.

Hello everyone this is our first post.We have been to a couple of parties of ten or more couples and a few parties with three couples. We prefer to just swap with one couple at a time.

Wife is a huge fan of the rabbit but not the knock off ones, we have had a few of these. She likes the vibrator that fits over my penis, we've gone through a couple of those. She has a big massager with a soft rubber sleeve. I got the sleeve at a women's store in Toronto. It's pretty essential for the massager. We are still playing with the WEVibe. It's a U shaped device to stimulate both her G-Spot and clit. It has a remote control. It was really fun getting her off on the motorcycle as we were going down the road!! The life size dildos never worked for her, however she has never had one in the eleven years we have been together, plenty of the real thing I guess??

MsD likes clitoral stimulation the most, we are a big fan of the Crave Duet. If we like to play remote, we use a Vibease as well.