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Welcome to the site! Great to hear you are already finding it informative and helpful. Normally, I would be strongly saying that swinging with vanilla friends is a bad idea, especially with neither couple having any swinging experience. But, I think your situation is a little bit different given what you have described the couple to couple relationship is already like. To some people, with the nudity, flirting, physical contact, etc., you already are swingers, of the soft swinging variety. So, in this case, the "don't make swingers out of friends" rule maybe doesn't apply quite as much. I'll still caution you though that you are risking the friendship. They may see everything you all do together as totally innocent, and taking it to an unabashedly sexual level is way beyond what they are comfortable with. Or, maybe they are thinking the same thing you guys are and this could be a great thing too, it's just hard to tell. It's risky though. Given what I would call the "openness" of your existing relationship, I would just have a heart to heart talk about it. Doesn't have to have the seriousness of a boardroom negotiation, but I think you want to do it when everyone is relaxed but clear-headed. I think that approach is way better than trying to set up a situation where it could just happen on it's own, like spontaneous that wasn't really spontaneous since two of you had tried to plan it that way. The "spontaneous" thing may very well work for one tipsy night, but if a long term thing is what you are after, then much better to have talked it through together ahead of time. Same room vs separate room, a lot of different opinions on that. The majority seem to prefer same room when starting out, although we were in the separate room minority. Again, given the history with this couple, you all aren't in the same place as most people their first times, so I'm not sure it's really that big of deal. I think just go with what feels right to everyone. If one has strong feelings about one direction though, and the other three don't, then I'd take that as a sign that maybe things aren't just where they need to be yet and maybe just slow things down a little on the road to full swap. The messy parts - we just handle that like we do any other time at home ourselves, have a towel handy, hit the bathroom after you are done, etc. Incidental contact - we're both straight, and yeah, if all playing on the same bed, it happens. If accidentally touching his foot with your foot while changing positions is something that is going to freak someone out, then same bed play probably not the best idea. But, it's not that hard to mostly keep to your own space, just really not that big of deal. The "after" conversation - just play it by ear depending on the circumstances, when the time is right, you'll know it. Maybe have that conversation when relaxing with a drink after everybody is done the first time, or maybe the next day, or maybe next time you get together for dinner. Trying to make it to clinical and forced is just going to feel uncomfortable. You've asked a lot of great questions! That means you are really doing your homework on this and I think that is what it takes to be successful at swinging. Anyone can get drunk and have a one-off one night, but those who go into it with eyes open tend to get the most out of it long-term. Good luck!

I think both of you are on the same page and neither of you want to be the one to say what is on your mind. You are nude, talking sex, even had some touching, you aren’t teens wondering how to make the first move. The same conversations you are having, they are having. You already have so much in common, you already have a good friendship, you already have had sex talk, why not go to the next step? They are friends, what can happen? They could say they aren’t ready yet and you can make a joke or really be honest and say you understand and let them know the ball is in their court. Let them know there is no pressure and you will not bring it up again. If they agree to go to the next step let them set the ground rules, you can always add to the rules if you want. I wish our best friends gave us a signal as loud as your friends. Our friends are as vanilla as any couple, I think. I can only imagine how great it would be to add another dimension to our relationship. If only they gave us a clue or tiny interest in having fun, we would ask. Mr. S2P has said he would be willing to give a hint, I have asked him not to. They know we go to a nude beach and they never asked to join, maybe if they did we would give other hints.

If you are both into it, you can ask the other couple if they are interested. If they say yes, it could be fun. If they say no, hope it doesn’t hurt your friendship. Don’t expect them to say yes or no on the spot. Let them have time to talk about it. Privately on their own. Don’t push it or they may resent it. I recommend condom usage. I recommend HPV vaccination. I would wait till covid vaccines are available. We were nudists for many, many years before we became swingers. There are pros and cons to swinging. Nudism is far less complicated.

the pandemic makes thing complicated, but perhaps a masseur for the ladies, rose petals for the bath and bed, and whatever they like to eat and drink.

I was just wondering how the women here who've done gangbangs felt after their first one. My first big gangbang was with another woman and we had 12 guys show up. It was pretty intense for both of us because we may have overestimated the number of guys we could take. It was really difficult for both of us because we each played with all 12 guys and we both did anal. There were times during that night when we thought we couldn't take any more. Afterwards I had a mix of emotions. I was exhausted but after about an hour I felt a sense of calmness and peace. It might sound strange but I was really proud of myself. What really surprised me was that before the night was over I was feeling horny again and played with some of the couples who had come to watch our gangbang.

My wife and I have been in the lifestyle for about a year, during which time we've had some pretty great experiences and made some great friendships. We're in the process of planning a weekend getaway to the Poconos later this winter with 2, or more other couples we've got great chemistry with. We'll obviously enjoy plenty of play and drinks, but we've never planned a naughty trip before and would love some suggestions. Right now we're thinking a nice 4 bedroom cabin with a hot tub and fire place--drinks and lifestyle games... what else? Any tips from the vets on how to make this an extra special adventure?

Yes, one of my two ex-wives. I got Kim into swinging Kim & new hubby are swingers and we play together. They had moved away, then moved back and I didn’t know. I was at a house party when Kim & mike arrived. a group of us were just standing around talking when they arrived, being quiet Kim walked up behind me, reached between my legs grabbed my cock. then she kissed me and started sucking. Then I leaned her on the couch back and started fucking her. My 2nd ex moved away and I don’t see her.

When we first started looking to have someone join us we only answered what we thought was attractive. Finding a real woman was hard enough without putting the additional prerequisite of being attractive to both of us. We accepted that we had to expand our search to couples, attractive couples. It was about six years ago we found an attractive couple online and we were amazed they showed up. The big negative was he was a jerk. Over the years we have met other couples, most not as attractive physically, attractive in many other ways. And even though we have changed who we will meet we have maintained a certain look we desire. We do talk about the type of look we want, not the shape. We have met overweight, skinny, different races, ages and we enjoy the variety. The type is only a guess without meeting, it’s intuitive. PSU you are a beautiful intelligent young lady. With just your own description of your physical attributes you fit our physical wants. We have been read many of your posts, small breasts are not a negative. You have stated you are unhappy with a large clit. I wonder why a man with a large penis is considered a trophy and a woman with a large clit is unwelcome. Alan and I have met many women looking for a first time same sex encounter. Every woman we have met have been insecure whether they are attractive or not. The size of a clitoris is never an issue for any of these women. Oral sex is the main focus of new meetings and as you have to know so much of your excitement stems from stimulating that single feature. I happen to think a larger clit is a benefit and I find it attractive.

Paying for access keeps riff raff down.

We attend parties with many people. This doesn’t mean everyone plays with everyone. With no agenda I never know who I’ll be with.

Is it ever right for a brother and sister, both single, to play as a couple? I should say that it doesn’t bother me but I do question it. I know I have been to parties where relatives, not mine, have played. This is both coming as a couple and playing as a couple. My husband thinks it’s fine.

Yes and it bothers me more now than it did when they were here. I knew it was strange when it happened and I tried to just let it go. At first I thought so what which led to WTF. I know I shouldn’t judge and what I feel doesn’t matter.

Anal’s Advantage? Thanks Numex for thinking about her cervix lol. Oh, and pushing hard and deep in her butt is so much better for her right? And then does she get the pleasure of sticking her vibrator in your butt, real hard and deep, so you can enjoy that pleasure too. I do have pity for those women who have had their cervix rammed by your massive tool.

We got back together Christmas 3 years ago. After plenty of talking we progressed and then married. We love each other very much. I would like to think we would have been married by now even if swinging didn’t happen.

We drove home after our team won, they are saying bad weather. Home games are done for the year. Being we live hours away I will miss my friends. I have explained what happened three years ago. My then bf had no idea what went on that first time. I called him and told him I was staying with friends because of the snow. He said it was smart because it was icy on the roads. What happened that night I should have kept a secret. I didn’t. I told him, we had a fight. Short story he left, I cried. I begged. I had friends help me convince him sex can be separate from love. After they convinced him our life changed. Having two friends in bed with him was one of the most difficult things I ever watched and I couldn’t show my horror. I urged him to do more and more. I had to prove to myself something that I wasn’t really sure about. Even me having sex with my friends made me cry, I cried while enjoying. My whole life I was told how wrong all this was. Not getting into all the talk we had after that time, we did have deep conversations. Religion, I have religion but not religious, morality, I’m moral but who made these rules. Isn’t religion man made? It evolved to make people behave by rules others made. If you think the rules came from something else then how come those rules keep changing from politicians? Many on here sent me private messages. That helped. Some of you are great and gave me strength. Some just wanted details of the sex, I didn’t answer. Advice I thought about and shared with my husband. I didn’t take all the advice. Some advice was from older and would like to think wiser people. Very few on here are my age and I just tried to apply others’ experiences to mine. We even met someone from here. That was a very hard thing to do. I’m smart enough to know how bad that could have gone. I know that couple is most likely reading this post. They were the first total strangers we met. At first it felt wrong even though they are a great couple. The other real hard thing to do was having sex with our friend. At first I did it to prove something to my husband. Sex is just for fun. I think he was testing me at the time. Looking back at that first time I think it just brought us to the next level.

It depends on many thing. He goes to bed in his CK boxer briefs then on most nights we have some fun before falling asleep and he will fall asleep naked. I need socks no matter if it’s cold or warm, my feet are always cold. I also have a sleep shirt when it’s warm. Now that it’s getting colder I have sweats and will put them back on after sex. I also have a onesie with a drop seat. He thinks it’s sexy. My stand in friend, the one who keeps me company when my husband travels sleeps nude.

This happened in a very short time after posting on here. I wasn’t shopping, I wasn’t searching, I just posted on a site. Am I going to get my FB loaded with ads for underwear now? I could understand getting an email about something I searched the Internet for but here I posted on a site with a little ci on it. Doesn’t that mean secure? I swear Alexa listens too.

Well I hate you lol. Just kidding. I fall into the guidelines too because my boobs. If I was larger it would put me outside. My point is a guy could me built athletic and would be considered overweight and a girl can be big on top and boom she’s off the chart. I am hippy but thin. Also I have a flat butt.

Including ex-husband, all ex-boyfriends, one-night-stands, fuck buddy during separation/divorce from first hubby , current hubby and partners since being in lifestyle: Kendra = 17 Including ex-wife, all ex-girlfriends, one-night stand, me and partners since being in lifestyle: Allen = 11

Im a cowgirl gal. Missionary and doggy tie for 2nd place. Spoons is my least fav