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We are new to the thought of having sex with others and are open to it with only one couple. More for emotional sharing then just sex. We are all in our early 50s and very comfortable in our relationship. Let’s start off with the fact that we and the other couple are nudists and nude vacation together and visit each other’s homes. We visit nude beaches and when warm enough just hang out naked. Naked hot tubbing of course. Let’s just call it all very vanilla nudist behavior. During the last year on weekend getaways we stated to share a hotel room to save money. We figured why not, we have already seen each other naked. The evening usually ends at some point with all in the same bed for a while cuddling and kissing a bit, naked of course. So when we get together it almost seems like as a couple we are dating them. Our couple’s dates usually also involve switching spouses holding hands while walking and hugs and kisses. More like kids starting out dating but not sure where to go next, sort of innocent. The usual grab here or there and pulling off the other person’s clothing for fun and taking (naked and clothed) pictures and videos of our escapades to laugh at later. The other couple have never had sex outside of their relationship either. So entering into something more sexual would be a first for each couple. But it seems so natural that we would want to share ourselves more intimately with a couple that’s more then just besties. The latest was when we get another hotel room the other husband says “let’s just get one with a king size bed”! Everybody was good with that! Now our other vanilla nudist friends would have a cow if they think we are even considering dipping our toes on the dark side. So how did we get here to ask these questions? The other night at dinner the other couples wife said she saw a show on TV about Swinging and the people seemed so normal and not what she expected. The conversation ended not so much as we were uncomfortable with the topic but because we had a bit to much to drink and it was time to go. Was this an opening line to gauge our interest? Anyway this was the opening line with my wife the next day and to much my surprise she did not change the topic. She said he’s someone I would Fuck if I had a drink or two and I said I would have no problem Fucking her too, with that we each gave the other’s approval. What are our thoughts? The primary reason for sex is not just the sex but because we really like them; is that XR poly or is this swinging? Sex would not be the end game of each time we meet, It just happens when appropriate. Does anything happen from here or are we overthinking it. Its tough to imagine that two naked couples in a king size bed are not going to get more touchy feel after some drinks. So just want to be prepared if it goes to the next level and to make sure it’s a positive experience for all. This board has been a wealth of info and the comments I have seen posted are all well meaning with no shaming or bullying. Very refreshing to see this on a forum of this nature. So seems like a great place to ask questions and get an honest response. So some questions; I have read that you should not swing with friends. But what if nobody has swung before? We love our friends and don’t want to lose them. We have lost touch with other friends over time for other reasons/changing reasons so don’t see how swinging is that much different as relationships mature and other friendships weaken. But understand that sex adds another dimension. Is our situation different then swingers trying to convert vanilla friends since we’re all vanilla. Do I just come out and ask the other hubby about intentions? Let my wife take the lead in strip play? So afraid to ask as don’t want to oftend either. I know if the girls lead it can be a better outcome. Understand that communication is key. So you get to the moment you realize your going to be more intimate. But don’t want to ruin the mood. Do you pause and ask is everyone ok with this? How do you make sure no one feels pressured. When do you talk rules or just be real sensitive to non verbal clues (I.e, closing of legs when moving down on the body). Don’t want to overthink this to a point where we don’t get past go. Once we get to a point of a soft swap or some heavy petting the cats out of the bag and we can talk about options of staying at this level or going further. Logical? What are the logical baby steps; get more touchy in the same bed with your own spouses first time around to make sure one gets comfortable with the watch/ watched aspect. Perhaps some more touching and some oral next time. Want to gain everybody’s confidence so we don’t get to a point we’re someone feels left out or participating because they feel obligated. Or at this point we realize that a foursome may be a bridge to far and we are all good with that? We would want to play in the same bed? Does moving to another room or bed cause jealously? Cause want to avoid that at all cost. Now a messy question. Remember we are beginners, discussions about cum. I guess will want to make sure we have a towel handy but cum is going to fly. Wet wipes? I’m sure the wife’s are not going to line up while the guys unload cum simultaneously into their open mouths (fantasy though) . Both girls regard cum as a messy outcome and not keen on swallowing but do when it’s move convenient then cleaning it up. So what’s it the proper cum etiquette for nubbies? As I guy I just don’t want to shoot where I want, it’s about her. Do I announce and wait for clues? I don’t imagine her giving oral and just pulling me in closer. Obviously if it was my wife I’d know what to do but different in a group dynamic. Just play it safe and grab a towel to cum into? Ok say we are all four playing around. So hands are all over and I think there are going to be times when guy to guy incidental dick, hand, mouth, cum contact happen. Don’t plan on going bi but assume that’s just part of the game? Nobody weirds out at that stuff and it’s just more of a humorous after note I assume? When is the best time to have the “after” conversation? After the moment reassuring everyone that it was all great. Waking in the AM further offering gratitude to the wonderful time. Some funnier monuments relived to lighten the mood? Thanks all in advance! Mr (& Mrs) NJNudist

I think both of you are on the same page and neither of you want to be the one to say what is on your mind. You are nude, talking sex, even had some touching, you aren’t teens wondering how to make the first move. The same conversations you are having, they are having. You already have so much in common, you already have a good friendship, you already have had sex talk, why not go to the next step? They are friends, what can happen? They could say they aren’t ready yet and you can make a joke or really be honest and say you understand and let them know the ball is in their court. Let them know there is no pressure and you will not bring it up again. If they agree to go to the next step let them set the ground rules, you can always add to the rules if you want. I wish our best friends gave us a signal as loud as your friends. Our friends are as vanilla as any couple, I think. I can only imagine how great it would be to add another dimension to our relationship. If only they gave us a clue or tiny interest in having fun, we would ask. Mr. S2P has said he would be willing to give a hint, I have asked him not to. They know we go to a nude beach and they never asked to join, maybe if they did we would give other hints.

Another way for me to cum quickly is putting my legs inside the guy's when in missionary. He doesn't get as deep, but it works my clit and the head of his dick hits the entrance of my vag just right.

First gangbang was kind of a weekend experience rather than just one time gangbang session. It was hot, awkward, weird, exciting, fun, annoying, pleasurable, and a little painful for her. We've done it like this a couple more times as it's really fun but the first time was just too long. By the end of the last day both her holes and her throat were too sore. My GF can take A LOT of sex but that was the only time I think I've ever seen her hit her limit.

While we don't believe that swinging with friends is a good idea (at all...the risk/reward is way too high), it sounds like they are in the same boat as you...not knowing how to move forward. Best way to approach this is to just ask. Usually, this is best accomplished with either just the two women or two men in private. You know, the 'hey, have you ever thought about...'. If it is a hypothetical question, then it doesn't mean that you are really asking, just posing a 'what if' and you always can back out if the response is one of shock or surprise. Bottom line, if you can't TALK about sex, how are you ever going to get over that hump that leads to sex (best Bevis and Butthead impression: ha, ha, I said hump). First, consider the risks (knowing that all your mutual friends and family may find out what sex perverts you are) if things go wrong...and not just now, but later down the road if their relationship breaks up, and if you are good with accepting that risk, then bait that hook and cast that line and see if the fish are biting. Good luck and don't forget to report back.

couplesws, Not knowing is normal and OK Being afraid of anything is also normal, but NOT OK in LS situations. Until you are both personally very sure that you will not be doing damage, I'd say wait and ponder some more. It can take a while for both members of a couple to be confident first time out.

i really enjoyed my first gangbang that is a little misleading as i did pull a train when i was a teenager my husband and i talked this over and i asked him to stay out of the planning asked a male friend to handle the details he invited 32 black men to start with knowing not all would follow through at the given time and place 14 black men i black girl whu would serve as a towell girl and keep men sexed up my friend had contacted motel in a run down neighborhood and they agreed to allow it he had to protect the mattress as lots loose semen i toked a few before and felt wonderful it had been agreed all holes open and person could go as many times as he could our friend acted as my bodyguard so no harm to me this was great part no one over 10 inches was allowed all this took all one saturday we started in the morning and went til dark i had no solid food for 3 days prior and i had washed out now i really enjoyed it and really would do it again there is a period after when i came down if any want more info maryann660ac@gmail.com

"The other couple have never had sex outside of their relationship either. So entering into something more sexual would be a first for each couple. But it seems so natural that we would want to share ourselves more intimately with a couple that’s more then just besties. The latest was when we get another hotel room the other husband says “let’s just get one with a king size bed”! Everybody was good with that!" It sounds like your friends are already thinking about more intimacy too, probably should just ask and then there is nothing wrong with starting cuddly and soft with your own partner. See where things go from there, I personally think best to keep it in the same bed, and good sex is juicy.

Incidentally, although my wife and I have not had covid, The 2 other couples who are in already had and recovered from Covid. Obviously there is a degree of risk in everything, but this is part of why I prefer us getting a house to ourselves and preparing our own food/drinks in our own naughty quarantine as opposed to a hotel or LS resort.

If you are both into it, you can ask the other couple if they are interested. If they say yes, it could be fun. If they say no, hope it doesn’t hurt your friendship. Don’t expect them to say yes or no on the spot. Let them have time to talk about it. Privately on their own. Don’t push it or they may resent it. I recommend condom usage. I recommend HPV vaccination. I would wait till covid vaccines are available. We were nudists for many, many years before we became swingers. There are pros and cons to swinging. Nudism is far less complicated.

For me it's more the other way around, it turns me on that some other women is having sex with my husband or boyfriend. Or to a lesser degree, that a man or another woman is having sex with Clair or Lora. I've posted many times that jealousy has never gone away for me, but now it is my friend; my addiction.

Did just this a few months ago, wife and I just married after a few years of dating, and no regrets from either one of us doing a gangbang. We had talked about it a few times and visited a few nudist and swinger clubs over the years. Went out one night to a swinger club and things just clicked into place for the both of us finally. She ended up taking 5 total over about 2 hours. A few barebacked her unknowingly, but thats another story. We plan to do it again actually as it was great from every angle imaginable.

Hi, We're new to this site. We're a soft swing couple with lots of fun adventures. We don't play too much anymore, but love to share our fun adventures and hear about others. Love lots of details. Share with us one of yours and we'll share one of ours. Let us know what you'd like to hear about - how we got started, same room sex, watch/being watched. fondled at a club, exhibitionism, Hope to hear from you - stocktonjerry@yahoo.com

My wife has worn revealing clothes since we were married in 1972. The funniest time I remember is when we had spent the night in a Motel 8 outside of Fort Sumner NM. Wife was 42. We had stayed on the second floor across from the stairs. We were leaving. I was in the car waiting for her. Next to me was a guy waiting on his wife in his care and their two boys 8 and 10. His wife and my wife came out of the rooms at the same time. They met at the base of the stairs. She was wearing an unbuttoned sleeveless sheer top blouse and see through yellow shorts. Her nice breasts were hanging out and you could see her pubic hair through her shorts. My wife was wearing a black fish net top no bra and a white sheer shorts. You could see all of her breasts clearly and her pussy. They stopped, looked at each other and began to talking. They laughed and talked forever. I turned off my car and he did the same. Both of their breasts wiggled and bounced for all to see as well as their pussies. It was very beautiful to see. After 18 minutes, I know for sure I kept time, they finally hugged, mashing their exposed huge breasts and exchanged phone numbers. They were from Montana on vacation going to Juarez Mexico. My wife told her the best way to get there. We were heading to Wyoming. She told my wife what to see and visit on the way. They still talk today. My wife enjoys displaying her bare breasts in public.

The Bible is full of virtuous women; however, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, loved a whore above all other women. [KJV---John 12: 1-8; Luke 7:37-50; Mark 14:3-9; Matthew 26: 6-13] Jesus Christ was also the direct descendant of a whore. Rahab, a Pagan Whore [KJV Joshua 2:1] ---was the grandmother of King David---and the matriarch of the family birth line from which Jesus Christ came. [KJV Matthew 1: 1-19] When God needed His two military spies protected from the enemy---He specifically told them to go the prostitute Rahab’s house, for refuge. Whores are trusted, revered, protected and loved by men in The Bible. These Facts, in and of themselves, are vastly Significant to every Romantic Relationship on the planet---regardless if one is religious or atheist. Because it shows women, point-blank, how all men think and feel. Whether one believes that The Bible is ‘God’s Word’ or just another book---everyone knows the story: Jesus Christ was born of the Virgin Mary---and He loved Mary Magdalene, a whore. All men love whores. Including the #1-man Jesus Christ, and His Father, God.

Crucifixion was reserved for "Enemies of the Roman Empire." The Romans considered Jesus a threat to their Empire, not their religion. Just before the crucifixion there was a bit of turmoil within Jesus' movement. The Prince of Peace and Mary Magdalene wanted to continue peaceful resistance while Judas thought they should recruit an army to wage war against the Romans. Some scholars think this is the reason for Judas' betrayal and the Roman Empire's action against the movement. None of this was included in Constantine's Bible.

Nurses, teachers and law enforcement, not necessarily in that order

i should think not when i was younger i was in a gangbang 6 brothas nobody objected

My thoughts are this: When I'm with my wife, my aim is to give her as much pleasure as possible. If there is another male there, that potentially increases her pleasure and allows me to almost take a step back a fraction, or take a moment out and appreciate her pleasure or being pleasured - I can focus on it momentarily whilst not having to perform. Its like his cock can be my cock - get the same (or better ) results and I can observe and appreciate it a little. Also, its a massive turn on for her to be desired by two men - so her being turned on more increases my arousal also. I Don't believe any of this dominant / recessive gene horse shit.

I looked up the synopsis to the book, it's interesting. We tend to gloss over a lot of obvious aspects of our "modern innovations" on sexuality, particularly Victorian ideals. Mrs. EastInWest was startled to learn how much influence the Romans were thought to have had on "creating" monogamy. The French "libertinage" forum I was reading was badly translated but I took an interest in how different the tone seemed to be. There was a great deal more interest in gender roles, including women encouraging each other to openly take their husband to a club from time to time in order to discourage him from straying in private and some heated debate over whether or not there's such a thing as "female candaulism" or if it's a uniquely male experience. I just bring it up because it's interesting to see how different people think about these things. Meanwhile, I think Mrs. EastInWest has a way to go before she gets up the courage to actually get screwed. More likely, she'll relax enough on a long vacation to get her top off and enjoy some soft play....which is just fine with me.

Those who have read the book Sex Before Dawn will understand that this is not a "kink". It's an artifact of evolution. But there are some (such as myself) who did not inherit the gene. Or the gene is, at least, recessive. Does not prevent my understanding of this natural impulse. Have fun, boys. While you're watching, I'll be the guy screwing your wife

It depends on what you really want. The answer Sandra gave is not always correct. We have found while many guys will talk to you in a bar and talk like they would, many chicken out when it comes to doing it, especially when you say your husband wants to watch. If you go to a club, most clubs restrict the number of single men. You most likely will find some men who will take you up if asked. We have used CL. Not the best choice. Too many fakes and to many penis pictures. Pictures don't always tell a story. What you see is not always what you get. We also don't like taking anyone to our home. You may feel comfortable doing that but we feel we lose our privacy. We prefer, if we want to meet men, the hotel route. We have decided the best thing is to get a room in advance. This can be a waste if you don't find anyone. It has happened and we just have our own fun then. We also like the vanilla aspect of people we meet. I can look for a type. We are not always going to find someone let alone two men. We have a hotel in the Princeton area that caters to businessmen and they host training sessions for new hires for one of the local companies. I would say for most times, I am the first time many of these men have done this. Getting two men is much harder and we have found the training sessions have younger men who have no wives.

I always said my wife was my favorite pornstar.

Yeah, this is kind of our take on things. Just because it happens to be the truth doesn't mean I'm about to give my kids the guided tour of what lurks in Mom's toybox, or what their Dad and I get up to in our sex life. It's none of their damn business! So we're not about to explain ourselves to them. But if they confronted us and were completely upset by it, we'd set them straight about a few things. For example, that our marriage is perfectly healthy and we love one another completely, that it's a philosophy that he and I share that makes our lives and marriage better, and that the discussion about it ends there...because it's none of their damn business.

Interesting! Most parents don't consider their sex lives any of their children's business.