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I find that just as repulsive (not the acts, but the coercion) as when men force their women partners into doing things.

It's my belief that MFMs can be 100% hetero for the guys. At least that is the way I've always thought of it. I like seeing him do things to the woman we are playing with (my wife included), but have no interest in touching him.

My Spidey-sense is tingling. I think you're right cutting-off all communication with him. You've asked him politely in the past to not contact you anymore and he hasn't respected that, so what would make him respect any other boundaries with your husband and your marriage? I think it's time to block his phone number and email address.

You're doing the right thing. Don't look back and just keep moving forward (kind of ironic since your profile image is you looking over your shoulder, but it IS a beautiful back side that we get to see). Let us know how things are going and we're always here if you need the help or support.

Very accurate and absolutely true. Not only is it difficult to know when to end a relationship in real time, even in retrospect the answer may not be clear. Human affairs are a matter of gray, not black and white, most times. Sometimes the answer is in capital letters on a billboard.

Shoes, but I don't wear heels enough, so uncomfortable at times..... J

We aren’t! Even in the midst of the worst of this situation, my husband and I both agreed it wasn’t the lifestyle that caused this to happen, just a big eye opener and lesson that boundaries were needed In the future. It was a mistake for us to go into it so causally. I think since we have done this for so long and we haven’t had any issues so far, we were just overly confident and didn’t realize that could happen to us. We all played a part in why things went bad and we all learned a lesson I think....

My wife I shared before we married . So we both loved sex with others. She wanted me to fuck her girlfriends and she fuck there husbands. Strangers. She sucked and fucked . She bring a women home for me say I will be back in the morning. Climb in bed with us. She was cool . Our marriage lasted for 30 years . we still talk.

Thank you everyone!!!! So much!! Even though I knew this in my head and heart, it really helps hearing from other people. Also allows me to get some of this off my chest. Its been over two years of dealing with this and my husband and I are finally at a good place after a lot of heartache, pain, and hard work getting our relationship back to where it was before this. I’ll definitely keep moving in the right direction. I think part of the problem was that I got attached to him and his friendship as well. This reinforces the idea that boundaries are needed moving forward. I regretted responding to his text immediately after I did. Made me feel sick. Knowing we’ll be moving to a new state in a few months definitely makes it easier to just put it all in the past . Thanks so much, I didn’t know what I was seeking by posting to this forum, but it really helped reiterate what needed to be done. Thanks again!

After reading posts about problems I think oh shit is that going to happen to me. Then I read and see viagra commercials and think the same thing, is it that bad. I’m happy to read positive comments it gives me hope that sex isn’t going away soon and then there is a problem in that his wife only cums from fucking and not from pussy eating so I read women taking viagra makes their clits more sensitive. Can’t verify cause Honey doesn’t need it as her clit stays hard after cumming ten times.

I loved watching her suck cock then French kiss me. She loves me because am not the jealous type.

I want to watch my wife suck other men’s cock that would be awesome!!

Agree, people are much more likely to ask a question/post when something is amiss rather than when all is going well. Also here on the Swingersboard, the demographics tends to skew older, and that's when more problems arise.

Our first time was a bit impromptu if you will... we were on vacation at the beach. We had decided to do a week long trip in July just the two of us to get away from things. My husband and I had been open about our past before but we had never considered anything like an open marriage/swinging etc. On night 3 we decided to go to a local favorite bar of ours. This place was kind of a staple in the area we were staying and we had been on several occasions on past vacations. Loud music, cheap drinks and a beach atmosphere so pretty much a perfect spot on the ocean. We have never been the jealous type so he had danced with a few women and me a few men nothing more than fun. I had mentioned a few times about my attraction to older men mostly celebrities and people I would never really meet much less have the opportunity to sleep with in real life. He had done the same about girls he found attractive. As the night went on and we continued to drink the lines got a little blurred. I will say I dont recommend trying this especially on the first try with alcohol or any other enhancers but here we are... In walked a nice looking older man probably 30 years my senior (mid 50's) and sat down next to us at the bar. A few rounds of drinks and conversation he asked me to dance. I had gave my husband the "look" and he nodded his approval. We danced to a few songs and i returned to the bar where my husband was laughing... What!? i said and he glanced at me... You think he's hot dont you? UHM... i remember vividly that's all i could say. Like a blur we were in our car my husband driving and him and I making out in the backseat. After a quick stop for some condoms we were in our room. The sex was amazing and it was a fantasy come true in all honesty because I had never been with a substantially older person before let alone a complete stranger. When i woke up the next morning i remember my husband asking me if i wanted to meet him again. In my current state of confusion and addmittingly hungover i remember saying i dont even know his name... My husband said well we have been texting all morning. They are still friends on social media and text on occasion as do him and I. We have never met up since then but its def on our list of things to do at some point. The rest is history from that point on we were swingers.

mostly couple swap or MFM MFF

I'm a guy! But yeah, I've definitely noticed that there are massive cultural pressures on women to suppress their own desires (which quite frankly sucks for men almost as much as it must for women, talk about a lose-lose). I can definitely orgasm without a lot of intellectual stimulation, but it's kinda pointless to me, because the times where I'm really into a woman and extremely turned on by her, feeling that intense passionate desire for and attraction to her beauty, are exponentially better on every level (physical, intellectual, emotional). So I definitely wouldn't go so far is to call it advice, but if that strikes a chord with you maybe consider ways in which you can heighten desire and put a greater emphasis on that (and really give yourself permission, which can me hard in our shame-inducing society). Thanks for responding too!

Well then, let's just agree to agree. ?

For me, and the other guys in our group of couples, it depends. When the conditions are right (multiple female partners available, maybe one of them new, watching my wife enjoy herself with someone else, which turns me on) I can easily go twice or thrice with little down time. But that doesn't necessarily make it better; a slow fuck with another guy's wife who I've fucked many times before, oral afterwards just to keep things going, then an hour or so later with another woman, my own wife perhaps, to finish off the evening can be just as good.

Well I reacted; not only the dress, but also the breasts and backlighting. All perfect.

We canceled out on Mexico now for the third time in the past year. Last week at the Casino, during the week, we went to the 360 View Chophouse for a snack and drink at 11 PM. From there, down to blackjack and craps... Julie can feel more comfortable with masks on and late during the week. It tended to be cool so Julie's nipples really popped. There were maybe an 1/2 dozen couples of various ages around the casino and a few dozen men. There really was very little reaction about Julie's dress...... Robb

There are plenty. My GF cums from penetrative sex and I have a friend who can cum 3 or 4 times without a refractory period. We've come across a number of guys who can cum twice with no refractory period but when you get to 3 or 4 times it becomes rarer but we have came across some. I can understand the limited refractory period but the part I don't fully grasp is how some people can cum so quickly. There was one guy who was young maybe 18-20ish who came 3 times in maybe 10 or 15 minutes. The first time he was grabbing my GF's ass while he was jerking off and came. Then he fucked her from behind and came. Then she sucked him and he came. It all happened so quick but the cum was real.

Numex, I do not see what you say as disagreement. Clearly if you have set up a code word for this then you have already agreed it is a possibility. It is not what i was thinking of because it is part of the rules. I was thinking that as beginners it is often, "For now Full is off the table". As to agreeing and then not wanting to at the moment, that should always be an acceptable option. Backing off is much easier to correct than plunging forward when in doubt. Essentially we are agreeing on this I think.

Just because you are in the 99th percentile, doesn't mean there aren't many others just like you. While my wife can climax from clitoral stimulation, she prefers penetration, and has easier and bigger orasms from it. I'm in my mid 40s and usuallly have a refractory period, but it really depends on my excitement level. My inability to continue sex after cumming has less to do with going soft, but the temporary "Pins and needles" feeling I get in the head of my dick. If the sex is really hot, I'll push through. Cumming 3 times straight, Nah. That ain't me...at least not anymore. When we were in the lifestyle, we always discussed our sexual habits so there were no surprises by either party.

Good point. I can't tell if you are the man or woman posting, but what you write is especially true for women. Men can almost always do, and enjoy, the mechanical fuck. Women need something more, even if it's non-romantic, fun sex. My observations have been that when they do get that little more attraction, desire as you phrase it, women end up having more intense orgasms and enjoying sex much more than the quick pop men have. It can keep going at a height for quite a while.

When you want to know anything just look https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractory_period_(sex)#Other_studies Looks like my husband’s alma mater did research on refractory period. Your second concern is your wife only orgasming from regular penetration may not be that abnormal. Keep reading older posts and you’ll see she isn’t alone. Some need penetration to orgasm or orgasm stronger from penetration. Personal anecdotal experience say say I have been with guys who cum and continue without going soft and then cum again. I have been with more than one guy who has done this. I can’t say if they could go a third time. I personally orgasm pretty strongly from oral sex by both guys and girlfriends, sometimes a bunch of times and sometimes even stronger ones. As you can guess I am limited to the way I can make a gf orgasm and having a gf multi orgasm orally is a huge thrill for me. Why you don’t see people telling stories of not needing refractory periods on here, most men need a at least some time and even those who might be supermen don’t find it a problem and don’t feel the need to question their prowess. You and your wife are a perfect match, you can go on and on and that’s what she likes. You must make her very happy.

Trying to stay out of this debate, but the bigger question should be: Is Covid the death sentence that it all too often is portrayed to be? Can it be deadly: Absolutely. In most cases is it deadly...

I was a single guy in the military. I was at a bar having lunch. Then a last walked up and asked are you in the military, I said yes, she said please join us at the table. We sat an talked, I was from Oregon, they were from South Carolina. loved their accent and she was hot. I said I need to get back to my barracks, they invited me to their motel to visit more. Sure, we got there had a couple drinks, sometime she went and changed into T shirt & shorts. She & I started talking, he put music on, we started dancing. As we danced she got super close, whispered grab my ass, I looked at hubby, he smiled. Started kissing, the rest is history. Her pussy tasted so beautiful. Afterwards we laid their and talked and she said she was a cougar, and I was the fourth guy in 2 days to fuck her. I told her she was my first married lady and my first adult 3some. That started my swinging life with couples. then years later I would get married and get my first wife into swinging.

I appreciate you sharing your personal experience and advice. I haven’t had too many people I could talk to about this, so I appreciate it. He’s been blocked and luckily we’re moving out of state in a couple months, which also helps with the swing club issue. Thanks for the response!

My big question is how man times did you cum while posting this? Did you stop typing after each orgasm to regain your thoughts? Did you use F to T (fingers to type) or V to T (voice to text)? What made you join a Swingers board to post your prowess for your first post? Welcome to the board!

Us too. Online everything these days but the only problem is the wife can't pick up men at the online casino. Hotwifing at the casino is a popular swinger activity we also enjoy, and this is my wife doing just that from a 2019 Vegas trip...

Here is a slightly different approach to consider. Take a vacation to Hedonism 2 in Negril, Jamaica. Hedo is an all-inclusive resort in a beautiful country. While not inexpensive to stay there, all food, alcohol, water sports (scuba, sailing,, kayaking, snorkeling, etc.), and entertainment are included. There is no tipping. Once there, the only things you pay for are the spa (massages on the beach, manicures, etc.) or what you buy in the gift shop. A medical marijuana dispensary has recently opened, which is cash only. You can use your medical marijuana card if you have one, or get one from the doctor for a small fee. There are clothing optional pools and a beach where you can wear swimsuits or be topless, or be nude, whatever you prefer. And there is a nude beach, nude pool, and nude hot tub. There are various room categories based on location and how updated they are. The staff is wonderful and works hard so everyone can have a great time. The climate is almost always perfect. We've been told that it has the highest rate of return guests in the industry. We'll be going for our 22nd time soon. Hedo can be whatever you want it to be. The main rules are "Respect" and "No means No". It is really an adult playground, but there is no pressure to do anything you don't want to do. On the other hand, there are opportunities to fulfill various sexual fantasies from watching to being watched, soft swapping to full swapping, or group sex. You do not need to be in the lifestyle to have a great time at Hedo. We have met awesome people there from all over. It could be the best vacation of your life. The downside is you'll want to go back again and again. Good luck!

No we are both inexperienced in all of this. My husband thinks he knows what he is doing but trust me he doesn't. I am much more sexual than he is