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Certainly it will come back. As will Spring Break, fans at sporting events, and wearing pants. In historical terms the last year - while being for shit! - is just a blip. When it's relatively safe to be social again, people will be social.

I think it was her choice to publicize it. Credit for bravery. Maybe it is a more acceptable choice in her age group. We are older, so maybe we are out of touch with what is broadly acceptable. A friend of mine used to say some people are with it, some people are without it.

We have exactly three certs on our profile. One a year, every year we accept one and drop one off. Just to let people know we are still in the game, not enough to show who all our friends are, or how often we play. We often ask the people we play with if they would like a cert, if they would we send one. (Yeah, I know they can follow us back, but . . .) For couples, some do, some don't. But the single gentlemen we play with almost always want the cert. (And we only offer the cert if we would play with them again.)

The world needs more unicorns! You go girl!

I can relate, although in my case it is moving between the men and women in our family that I find satisfying. The thought of loving a man who loves another woman and of loving her too is... fulfilling.

I get it but I feel like there has been such a shitshow circus encircling Rudy Giuliani lately that this will be used to further paint him and his as total nut jobs.

There are two aspects to this revelation. First, it's distressing that anyone has to feel that their preferences need to be fodder for magazine articles. Second, when celebrities publicly acknowledge and embrace alternate lifestyles that are based on love and respect, everyone benefits. Regardless of her agenda and rationale for granting the interview to Vanity Fair, and regardless of Vanity Fair's rationale for publishing the piece, we all benefit when such life styles can be openly discussed. Sexuality is so foundational to human life that we should hope such conversation becomes not only mainstream but ordinary. One hopes that Mr. Giuliani is proud of his daughter not only for who she is, but also for her courage in openly acknowledging her preferences.

She also voted for Joe Biden. Rudy Giuliani as just not having a good year. Obviously we don't think a woman choosing an alt lifestyle as a Unicorn is bad, but it kind of sucks that it has to be made public.

Kasidie has the "validation" function you describe.

We don't give or accept validations as well...who we spend time with isn't anyone else's business. However, we do wish that there was a way for websites to have a 'verified' setting that verified you were the two people in the pictures and you both were participating (how many times have we met a couple and the wife either didn't know what was going on or was only doing 'this' the ONE time to appease her husband)

I was just about to add that. Long ago I was warned by a very good friend to 'never make a business out of a hobby'. Hoppbys are supposed to be something you enjoy in your free time. Making a business out of it now makes it something you HAVE to do instead of want to do and takes away the enjoyment of doing it. I've always remembered that and steered clear.

COVID cured a lot of other diseases.

I think you are reading too much into it.

Interesting, I'll need to read the original article. This sounds like my wife, who prefers FFMs both with and as a married couple. These are two totally different roles for her (as a third for a married couple and having another woman join us) with different dynamics, but satisfying both her hetero and Lesbian needs.

We don't give or accept validations (certifications). It has zero to do with the other couple. We simply don't like the idea of displaying a running tab of our encounters - good, bad, or otherwise. That said, if it's that important to you, ask them to do it. Hardly drama.

Search is your friend and there are several threads that discuss this. That ought to get you started with some light reading. Here's a story from another couple overcoming this: Here's a book to also read on the topic: Divine Sex: Liberating sex from religious tradition by Philo Thelios And finally a quote or two that I made before and a link to a post that I regularly go back and read about monogamy and and the Bible: Being raised in a very religious family, I have done more than a little research on this topic. I couldn't understand why in the old testament men had multiple wives but it just stopped in the new testament with no explanation as to why. If you also really search the Bible, there is actually very little information regarding sex and what is and isn't 'allowed'. What are big issues now were almost overlooked in the Bible: homosexuality for instance is almost ignored in the Bible, yet the Romans openly allowed it. Over the years, depending on who was in charge and what their beliefs were, the Bible was 'edited' and spelling mistakes and/or translation issues have changed what the Bible said. While the Bible may have been from God, it hasn't remained untouched or unchanged by man. Bottom line is we both believe in God and are religious, but we also believe that whatever anyone else believes in, as long as it makes them a better person and doesn't hurt others, is a good thing and should be allowed and encouraged. I would hate to be in front of the gates of heaven only to see Buddha or Allah or The Great Spirit was the 'right' God and have Him tell us 'you picked the wrong God...sorry, you are out'. I believe that this won't happen, but at the same time believe that God wouldn't be so religious exclusive (only one 'right' religion and everyone else goes to Hell). Most organized religion teaches 'be a good person and be nice to everyone else'...we do our best to adhere to this although we identify ourselves as Christian. Swinging is something that we do TOGETHER in the light, not behind the back of our SO in the dark. It doesn't 'hurt' either one of us and we do our best not to allow it to hurt anyone else. We don't see where it goes against our 'makes them a better person and doesn't hurt others' belief so we don't have a conflict or issue with the two. We try, as instructed by the Bible, not to judge others and keep our stone casting in check. Monogamy Isn't Biblical, It's Roman I hope it is obvious that I have spent more than a little time on this subject attempting to understand the topic and we hope that something here will help you.

It was about 9am in the morning when we struck up a conversation with a single guy on a nude beach in Florida. 12 hours later I watched him fuck my then-girlfriend (now my wife) in our hotel room. That was our first experience. It was fantastic and I would live it again in a heartbeat.