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So sorry science became a political issue. It should be everyone against the virus, not some people against others.

Yes and...read the story of the Louisiana man refused to have his temp taken at a Disney resort in Florida. He refused, got irate, was asked to leave, when he didn’t police were called and he was arrested for trespassing. temperature checks are a long way from a vaccine passport but are a form of screening for COVID and restricts access without compliance and successful (health) screening. We were in Key West recently. Hit a couple of Museums. In all cases were were told masks were required at all time and must cover mouth AND nose. Instructed staff would ask to comply only once. If you were caught again, you would be removed from property w/o refund. Respectfully, I'm not sure the goal from the OP was to find out what motivated an individual choice to vaccinate or not BUT to gauge if most swingers will feel comfortable inviting unvaccinated to play. Unfortunately, it left just enough of an opening to a yes vs. no question to add opinions on why or why not which lead to debate on a topics where passions run high and very sensitive to most people right now.

Hope you get vaccinated. It’s beneficial to both of you and your community. Other than rank speculation, there is no valid cost benefit analysis reason not to get it. We know people who suffered and died who wish they had the opportunity to get it.

One point of clarification on your excellent post AndrewandAnna, I believe Greg Abbott‘s executive order effects only businesses “doing business with the state of Texas“. Also, a lot of executive orders issued by governors and presidents (Of all political parties) in the end don’t stand up to litigation. But, that’s probably beside the point from the perspective of Abbott and DeSantis; I suspect these orders are largely in service of political theater.

We take the fifth but we have both survived Covid (we both had it very early into the pandemic) so we may or may not have qualified very early into the vac program for the shots.

I still think she's a sexual deviant

Yesterday after work, I WFH, went to the gym and my new friend was there. I apologized for not following up on getting together. I suggested a Starbucks after the gym. There goes the calories. Even if she told me before I wanted to get to know the real Why they wanted to meet us. I already knew about the attempt with their friends that she stopped, I wanted to know the real reason. She said they never thought of swinging, never. When her friends opened up to her she thought it was a crazy idea that they were having sex with others. The others were Alan and me I’m thinking. Her friends told her how freeing it was, having been married 25 years and only being with one person. She mentioned menopause has changed their sex life, something new ignited a newness. They questioned the why and the why nots. I asked why she wants to be with a woman, I had asked her the last time. She explained she never thought of ever being with a girlfriend then all the lesbian relationships on TV and movies and her friend telling her she should open her mind. She said she was ready to explore two years ago, just couldn’t with her friends. Asked about her husband and seeing him with me, she hesitated and said yes she wants that. I felt like I was interviewing her, asked what she really wanted, her scenario. She said she didn’t know and wanted me to go slow like we did with her friends. I went home happy I saw her again, she is a very nice and funny person. The more we talked the more I liked her.

This is the wife of a bi man who told me early on in our relationship that he wanted another man's dick orally but, was will to go all the way. He didn't know what my reaction would be. Consequencely my reply after some thought was, the subconscious mind and one's fantasiese are cosely related and meant to be explored. This was an open door invitation to our first experience. We immediately signed up for SLS and planned to meet a single bi-courious man at his apartment for some afternoon delight. He was a nice looking man, very gracious and made us feel right at home. We started by take off our clothes and laid naked on the bed with all six hand's exploring each other. I saw my husband going down on his hard dick and I got on the other side. We sucked him to completion. It was a rememberable first time and now we've graduated to an ongoing relationship with another couple. They're both bi. I think bi guys are hot.

Oh we do this quite often, set up dildo, plugs, strap ons, wall toys, riding toys, poles, poke me s, all over the house and both run the gauntlet. I love doing this side by side with my man!

I have some clarification on how our contact happened. Contrary to what I thought was stalking she told me she has been too nervous to approach me for over two years, one of those was during lockdown. Her friends confided in her how they were looking to find a couple, and approached her and her husband. She said that her and her husband were not into anything like that. What happened was her friend telling her how they finally met us. She swears it was coincidence that she belonged to the same gym I belong to. I still don’t remember telling anyone I belong to the gym, possible? Maybe. Things changed after her friends met us. They kept telling her that the experience was what they needed. The way she explained it to me, her husband agreed to play with the couple we met. She backed out several times. She couldn’t go through with it, being friends was a bigger problem. She said the closest they got to playing was her husband encouraged her to play and he wouldn’t do anything unless she was comfortable. The night she was prepared to go all the way our friends husband got as far as putting his hand in her pants when she froze again. That is when my name came up. Better to try with strangers than friends. I explained we are more open to women who are curious and that our focus would be on that if we meet. She said she understood, she knew that is what we did with her friend. Is this the real story, it sounded feasible. She sounded sincere in wanting to get involved with any pressure and without a friendship that could be ruined.

I was raised in a very conservative Christian family myself so I have an inkling as to what she is going through as well. Best defense for Christians is a good offense: I've posted this before (heck, I may have posted this earlier in this thread) but for other Christians having issues with swinging and religion, first remember that the Old Testament had almost every marriage being between multiple people and it wasn't 'condemned', it wasn't even said to be wrong. It was almost needed to provide the labor for farming or herding. It just kind of faded away as more people moved into cities instead of needing the help being nomads/farmers/herders. But just because having multiple wives came to an end, it didn't mean that monogamy was the only accepted 'norm'. In Roman times, just because you were married, didn't mean you never had sex with anyone else. People 'think' that the Bible condemns most sexual activity, but in actuality it doesn't, and the Romans had plenty: bath houses, legal prostitution, orgies, gladiators (not just for fighting in the arena), homosexuality, sex with slaves, and more were all considered legal, allowable, and not a violation of the marriage. Next, read this: Monogamy Isn't Biblical, It's Roman Finally, remember search (hidden in upper right corner) is your friend. There are a bunch of threads dealing with Christianity and swinging. Here's a good book on the topic: "Unprotected Texts: The Bible's Surprising Contradictions about Sex and Desire" by Jennifer Wrigtht Knust This ought to at least give you some ammo to start the conversation rolling. Let us know how things progress!

I suppose I don't really fit into any of the profile descriptors. While I'm listed as straight because I'm not really bi-curious per se, a better description for me might be "bi-accepting". The difference between the two is that although I'm not particularly focused on seeking out another guy, I might say yes if the situation presented itself on its own, at least where oral is concerned. I think single-word descriptors are useless except as a means of introducing a more detailed statement about the person, which would then render the descriptor entirely unnecessary. Compounding this problem is the fact that our present cultural predicament gives us only three choices: straight, bi, bi-curious. I think 'bi-accepting' would be a good fourth choice. And there could be others: straight until drunk, male with lesbian tendencies, Ford F-150 straight, chintz gay, diesel gay, ashamed fraternity gay, Catholic priest celibate, Islamic stern-fisted will of God straight, and my personal favorite: Costco weekender three glasses of chardonney peroxide blonde bi-curious.

Bravo JTcamp05 and all those other "Real Open-minded Swingers." To all the Vanilla Wannabee Play-Actor Swingers lurking here. I'm the surviving widower of a MF swinging couple; trying to re-enter the Lifestyle and find it increasingly VANILLA. We are all old farts; brought up with Victorian ideas who've seemed to have overcome tags. If a guy goes online as Bi, he is ignored or receives unkind replies. I've been told on Chat to quit trying; just go out and hire a woman...get a blowjob. I do not care for impersonal sex. Buying a whore is just not a turn on for me. Nor is getting a blowjob without doing at least a 69. My pleasure derives from giving pleasure to women. But I do love being under a woman when she is enjoying doggy ... licking her clit and labia while he slides in and out and do not mind doing oral on him, when he slips out, then putting him back. I had one couple with whom I did this on a regular basis while at University. I just love an Orgy, where everyone is in a big pile of sweaty extremities, in low light, where no one knows nor cares who is doing what to whom. The sexual energy and tension is too great to care. For all of you quasi-vanilla swingers, who have just begun to experience sexual freedom I really wouldn't want to play with you...Too many rules, Too claustrophobic and just plain full of unresolved Phobias. You guys love just a "blowjob" or love watching your woman go down on another female or guy, call yourselves swingers, and chat online like a bunch frantic adolescents, posting "cock-shots" or pics just of the lady; I believe you are all just a bunch of voyeurs maintaining the separate standards slowly slipping from the masculine strangle-hold of society. Women have always been more free with one another ... the guys have been the stick-in-the-muds trying to maintain the status quo. I don't want to hire a hooker, nor get a mindless blowjob you all seem to crave more than all other sensations three or more people can enjoy with one another(s). Do you eat her after you've cum inside her...I know many newbies who don't even do that... Surrender Oh, well. Just a veteran swinging opinion of today's groups...Blowing off some steam "As The Old Bull said to the Young Bull: Let's NOT run down and fuck a few ... Let's Walk Down and Fuck Them All!" Jeok

I (female) find it very hot watching two bi males...abso...lutely.

OK, take a deep breath. Let me ask you a question... Up until recently, you thought he was entirely heterosexual, right? If so, then why weren't you worried that he would run off with some girl? He likes girls. You know he likes girls. So why wouldn't you be worried that he would leave you for another girl? When I say it this way, does it make it clearer that trust in your relationship is just as important for bi experiences as it is for hetero ones? Compare the two situations, and think about how there is no difference whatsoever between him liking girls or him liking guys. Just because he may be attracted to both doesn't mean he wants to cheat on you, leave you, or run away with someone else (male or female) Since you obviously trust that he's not running off with another woman, why are you worried he might run off with a guy? Now, having said that, there is a huge difference between being attracted, physically, to someone of the same gender, vs being willing to have a relationship with someone of the same gender. Many people don't get the difference, so I'd like to hep if I can. When I was a teenager, I thought I was "just curious" about having sex with other girls. In my mind, all we were doing with each other was experimenting, and we certainly weren't lesbians. Then, in my early 20's, I started to realize I was just as equally attracted to females as I was males, but I still didn't want to believe I was "bisexual", because I could not have imagined actually having a girlfriend, a woman I would want a full time relationship with. Then, in my early 30's, I met and fell for a woman. We were, in every sense, girlfriends. So, I had to throw away my silly labels and realize I wasn't just "flexible" about who I could sleep with...I was a full fledged bisexual woman, and I was ok with that. Then, wonder of wonders, I met and married my soul mate...a man who is also bisexual, so he understands me far better than most people ever could. He's also open to swinging, so our lives could not be more enhanced than they are. My guess is that both you and your boyfriend are "flexible" bisexuals, meaning...although you will be pleased to play with people of the same gender, neither of you desire a relationship with people of the same gender. But even if you did...even if you were both full-fledged bisexuals...you are in love with each other. You have chosen to love each other at the exclusion of all others, male or female. If you wouldn't cheat on him with a man, why would you cheat on him with a woman? Similarly, since he chose you, at the exclusion of other women, there is no reason to think he would dismiss you for another man. He loves you. Don't worry about labels. Enjoy the experiences together, and at the end of the day, know you have a lover who wants to please you so much he's willing to experiment with new situations to see you enjoy yourself.

Me and hubby are both bi, but he won't let me post it all over the internet for some reason. LOL. The hottest thing for me is to see to guys going at it, in every way. I have lots of fantasies about being done by alot of guys, and them going at it all around me as well. Still waiting for a safe situation for this to happen in tho. When I first learned hubby was bi and had had bi sex, I was morbidly facinated, and it took me awhile for it to REALLY start turning me on, but the more I thought about it, the hotter it became. During sex sometimes he will suck on my tongue as if he's going down on a guy, and we both come like crazy. It is hot.

Put me down for hot! I was introduced to bi sex by an older male cousin when in early teens. He was showing me his porn stash and we both got hard. One thing led to another and we started to suck each other. When I came in his mouth, wow. We continued for a couple of years plus I was pleasured a couple of times at a movie theater by several grown men. Then I discovered women and didn't look back. That is until my wife lost interest in sex a few years ago after a health problem. I had never forgotten my interest but never pursued any mm activity until I discovered porn on the internet. Suddenly my interest in bi sex was evident as I read and got off on porn sites and bisexual stories. This continued until I met several other married guys with similar interest. I rediscovered how much I enjoyed both sucking and being sucked by another guy. I am not interested in anything but oral. I guess my biggest fantasy now is getting into a mmf with a couple where I can enjoy oral sex with both the male and female and where the female is turned on by watching the guys do oral on each other.

new2theswingset, I agree with most of what you said but it still comes down to the simple fact that she can't be made to do what she doesn't want to do when it comes to swinging. If she's just really against it now, that's just the way it is. However, I think that if she's done it this long there's at least a good chance that she's open to the idea of swinging and has had at least *some* fun during the last several years. It just seems to me that it's very possible that this is a problem that can be fixed by good communications, some real effort on sex & romance just between husband and wife, and then maybe coming back as newbies someday with a little different approach to it.

My question here is how did you go four years without telling your husband that you were "Taking One For the Team?" I can understand that he may be a little aggrivated at you because he wants to expand your experiences, and you want to stop in your tracks. I can also understand how it may be confusing to him, that all along you have participated, then all of a sudden you say you were only doing it to please him. This would be a hard pill for me to swallow too. I commend you honesty with him, but please understand that he is probably bewildered by past experiences that you participated in . When I was reading your post, I got the feeling that the lifestyle is not out of the question, just that you want to take it a little slower. It seems that you feel there is no need to play EVERY time you go to the club or party. Is the fact that he goes with the intent to play every time the factor that is bothering you?

My spouse and I have been married for 21 years, we joined LS last year.. at first I was all for it.. we would go have fun together.. I was more of the sexual pull out of the two of us and i liked the attention his and the others, but he started looking for his own attention which spread into full blown conversations and the “us” has turned into me being with others for me to look up and he is gone.. I don’t feel we are doing this together anymore and I have stopped all going and communication while my husband says they are his friends and now works for one of the couples. He now stays at their house Monday thru Friday while I stay home with our kids. Sex is not good and he said he just not have the drive with just me.. I think my marriage is over so.. I hope for you it works out