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There’s so much wrong here it makes my head spin. Life’s too short.; this interaction is wasting your time and energy. Move on.

Here's the thing... if you're ever in a swinging situation (or any situation really) and you find yourself thinking "I'm not OK with this"... stop. It doesn't matter if that's what other people would do. It doesn't even matter if it's what you, yourself, did on a previous occasion. What matters is, there, in that moment, something about the situation feels wrong to you and you should just politely but firmly and quickly remove yourself (and your loved one's) from that situation. If you want an reason - You have an entirely lifetime's worth of experience, and a full array of human survival instincts, subconsciously observing and analyzing everything around you for signs of danger. Some part of your brain is always looking to the proverbial lion sneaking toward you through the high grass. So when you hear those mental alarm bells, even if you don't know why, listen to them. Better an awkward departure than meeting that lion.

We would have kicked him to the curb after the third or forth sentence of your post. We don't have many rules, but one of them is no cross talk (man to man = okay, woman to woman = okay, man to woman = absolutely not). In order to find out that everyone is interested, we meet for drinks or dinner with no play scheduled. You will learn more in five minutes in person than an eternity of email, texting or calls. Bottom line is that this guy is a jerk and just bullying his way to get what he wants (and so far, it has worked). There's always another couple out there and they will be a much better match. Tell them thanks but no thanks and start looking for a better match.

WTF is there to talk about? This is sex for sport, show your skills - play ball! And if you don't want to, don't. What's all the drama? FOH, I don't have time for all that. ???

Seems to me like there is a truckload of Red flags. It also appears that you are not both on the same page.

About 2 weeks after we were married I was working on a piece of equipment and forgot about the ring. Ended up getting a bolt cutters from my truck and with some help cut the ring off. I never worn a ring since and my wrist watch (clock bracelet) is easily broken loose, and no I won't tell how many times it's been tested! Mrs ID always wears her ring although she recently stopped wearing the diamond part.....seems like after 38+ years the diamond came loose.

I agree with what you're saying here, and have questions about the merits of vaccinating young people. I also agree that this isn't something that can be tweaked away. However, the reason for that, to my understanding, is that both myocarditis and blood clotting/stroke are also reported symptoms in young people from COVID-19 infection itself. The most likely explanation for myocarditis - and the widely-accepted explanation for the clotting - are violent immune responses. The data is still weak, but significant, and many cases of myocarditis in infected young people may have gone undetected. (How many young people get a troponin level taken outside of medical research? Even older adults have a hard time getting cardiac injury noticed and diagnosed correctly.) This is most likely just a subset of what would happen if this same population got COVID. So what's the answer here? The virus is not going to go away, and will be a background infection circulating seasonally forever. If it's an "all or none" situation, we're either accepting that some will have harmful immune responses while also avoiding a small number of respiratory deaths, or we're accepting the small number of respiratory deaths and rolling the dice on how many young people will eventually become infected and experience the harmful immune responses anyway. Yet it's not an all-or-none situation. It seems to me that the ethical choice here to let families make their own decisions about this. I do agree with you that it's troubling to see universities require it, etc., but businesses and organizations do have property rights, and students have a right to choose their university. I do take issue with this passage: This is, essentially, the definition of inoculation since the days of smallpox variolation. Some vaccines. like the yellow fever vaccine, can cause complications similar to yellow fever infection, and become more dangerous as you age. Essentially, if you don't get the yellow fever vaccine and acquire immunity at an age where you' might be best-equipped to survive yellow fever, you should never get it and are advised to simply avoid parts of the world where yellow fever is endemic. COVID ain't yellow fever, but the fact pattern is similar.

Did the title take you back a bit? Christian couple? Christian's have long been thought of as folks who don't swing, right? Well, we believed that lie too, for a long time, because of the lies some claiming to be knowledgeable of what scripture really says. We found out different. We've also joined a yahoo group of Liberated Christians, Christians just like us who have found having sex with the full knowledge of your spouse is NOT Biblical Adultery. We are a normal, white married couple in our early 50's that have always been very comfortable with nudity. About 10 years ago we became close friends with a couple from church (yes, we are still very active in church), and went on some trips with them where there was hot tubs. Then they bought one and we started tubbing a lot with them. They talked about tubing nude when no one was around and one night when it was dark we all got nude after getting in the tub. This went on for several months, then the lady laid a 'guilt trip' on us by saying she was going to leave her suit on since she was a Sunday School teacher. It made us feel awful, like we had been doing something wrong when neither of us felt that way. We had chatted with some nudists on-line and met a couple, and we went on a weekend outing with them to the Smokies, staying in a cabin with a hot tub. The 4 of us spent most of the entire time naked: it was great fun. Nothing between us but each night the sex with spouse was great. We later lost contact with them. We then tried nude resorts and liked all but 1 in TN where we live: it was very 'stuck up', but we loved the 2 we've been to in Florida. Anyway, we've been married over 30 years and things sometimes get a little dull because of work, kids, etc. So, about 2 years ago we found SwingLifeStyle.com and created an account. We were really looking for just other nudist couples in our area. We found a lot of folks are all talk, but a few were nice. We had reservations about doing anything except a little soft swinging, and that would have been limited to watching/being watched, some rubbing or kissing, but we knew we weren't going to do the full swap. Church folks don't do that, right? Old teachings die hard, but we knew when we were at nude resorts and with other folks nude, there was no sense of shame and guilt, only the time the lady laid the guilt trip on us by taking a 'holier than thou' attitude. We found out different. We met a couple from a nearby town and met at a restaurant. We seemed to click immediately. About the same age and sizes, and a lot of common interests. We chatted a lot online and it took over a year for us to work up the courage to invite them to our house. We tubbed nude and had a wonderful time. They were very patient with us. We started kissing and feeling up each other's spouses and it was good, real good. That night we just got on beds with the other's spouse and kissed and hugged, but my wife got lucky and the other fellow did oral on her: durn, she said that wasn't gonna happen so I was a good boy and didn't do it on the lady I was with. The other lady made me feel so young: it was like I was back in college and for an early 50's man, that means a lot. Not surprisingly, after they left and wife and I talked, neither of us felt any shame or guilt. I've always believed if something is really wrong, our consciencious (or God's Spirit living in us) will convict us, and there was no conviction. So we were hooked. The next time we got together it was in a hotel with 2 beds, not much really happened then either but some great kissing/hugging/massage. Third time was charm: we both did a full swap, and again - NO GUILT AT ALL. It was just like we were 'doing it together'. There was no secrecy, no going behind anyone's back, no betrayal of trust. It just left us wanting more. Then, we all went out of town for a long weekend and stayed in a motel with interconnecting rooms, and each spent the night with the other's spouse. We had the most enjoyable time, sex like we were in college again. Since then we usually meet just about every weekend and plan on continuing. Don't think right now we'll try to find anyone else and the other couple feels the same, so it's probably more of polyamory than swinging, but the aspect of swinging/having sex with another couple is what got it all started. And the most amazing benefit: wife and I can't get enough of each other just like we were newlyweds. So, if you're a couple thinking of trying swinging, go for it. It's well worth it.

Not me, I'm the same.

All this Covid / vaccine chat is a boner killer. How 'bout if you want the vaccine - get the vaccine. And, if you don't want the vaccine - pass on it. And leave it at that.

Things that make you go hmm.

There is something about being free on a beach right here in NJ. It’s a shame that they did away with drinking, I enjoyed having a beer or a bottle of wine while sunning, it was an easy way to meet new people. A few years ago I hit the jackpot because of a bottle of wine. I was alone on the beach reading my Kindle, sipping on a drink when two women asked me if drinking was legal on the beach. They had that distinct Philadelphia accent and said they didn’t know drinking was okay. Being a gentleman I offered to share what I brought. That led to some interesting conversation. Their first time on a clothing optional beach, both divorced, away for a girls day at the shore. I told them I was single, I lied, and I enjoy the sights on this beach. They became flirty and we spent the day together. When I started to leave they begged me to join them for more drinks if I had no plans. They invited me to shower at their hotel and we can do a happy hour. They said they already saw me naked so it’s no big deal for me to shower and get dressed. I knew they had planned this, I heard them talking. No sex on the beach, I think their night out was planned after that first drink. While I’ve had many one-nighters, being picked up by two women was novel for me. That happy hour lasted longer than an hour, then they insisted on buying dinner. A win win day at the beach.

It depends on the club, and even more importantly, the night. In her thirties, at many clubs she'll be on the young side, probably.

Our first time was a bit impromptu if you will... we were on vacation at the beach. We had decided to do a week long trip in July just the two of us to get away from things. My husband and I had been open about our past before but we had never considered anything like an open marriage/swinging etc. On night 3 we decided to go to a local favorite bar of ours. This place was kind of a staple in the area we were staying and we had been on several occasions on past vacations. Loud music, cheap drinks and a beach atmosphere so pretty much a perfect spot on the ocean. We have never been the jealous type so he had danced with a few women and me a few men nothing more than fun. I had mentioned a few times about my attraction to older men mostly celebrities and people I would never really meet much less have the opportunity to sleep with in real life. He had done the same about girls he found attractive. As the night went on and we continued to drink the lines got a little blurred. I will say I dont recommend trying this especially on the first try with alcohol or any other enhancers but here we are... In walked a nice looking older man probably 30 years my senior (mid 50's) and sat down next to us at the bar. A few rounds of drinks and conversation he asked me to dance. I had gave my husband the "look" and he nodded his approval. We danced to a few songs and i returned to the bar where my husband was laughing... What!? i said and he glanced at me... You think he's hot dont you? UHM... i remember vividly that's all i could say. Like a blur we were in our car my husband driving and him and I making out in the backseat. After a quick stop for some condoms we were in our room. The sex was amazing and it was a fantasy come true in all honesty because I had never been with a substantially older person before let alone a complete stranger. When i woke up the next morning i remember my husband asking me if i wanted to meet him again. In my current state of confusion and addmittingly hungover i remember saying i dont even know his name... My husband said well we have been texting all morning. They are still friends on social media and text on occasion as do him and I. We have never met up since then but its def on our list of things to do at some point. The rest is history from that point on we were swingers.

Certainly inspiration to plant some seed.

My wife and I thought it was funny that we had more sexual partners while we were married in our fifties than we did when we were single in our twenties. If you told us that would be the case when we were in our twenties, we would not have understood it.

I had more partners when I was single as serial monogamist than when I started swinging as a couple or now in a V.

Nobody told us there was going to be a test! When we met in 2002, I was way ahead, having been a single young cop in eastern Pa in the late 70's( "Oh what a night" and "love the one you're with" happened a lot then). I was Mrs Doc's 4th. Im not sure that she's caught up yet but when you consider the built in limitations of erections, refraction periods and the number of available penises at swinger clubs and house parties she may well be getting close. We tried one night to put a number to both of us but we kept reminding each other of different events and additional people and finally just gave up. It was an amusing and erotic exercise. Our only conclusion was that we could easily be described as sluts, both of us!

I (Mr) used to wear one back in my first marriage at the very beginning. Unfortunately, things didn't go very well and if it wasn't for my son I wouldn't have stayed for the 20+ years. Still I stopped wearing it after 3 years since the marriage was pretty much over by then (you can't fix a person who doesn't think they are broken...lesson learned). The Ms. has a similar story, but it took longer for her before she stopped wearing her ring. The relationship the two of us are now in is AWESOME, but one of the things SHE wanted and really enjoys is that we are together because we WANT and ENJOY being together. We don't have any symbols tying us together...if you can't tell just by looking at us that we love being together then what good is being in a relationship? Best part is both of us think we are the lucky one in the relationship.

What makes it "count" ? I have had thirty-something penises enter my vagina over the course of my entire sex life; but if you count oral sex and other forms of body-fluid-exchange-culminating-at-or-approaching-orgasm-for-one-or-more-participants, the number is easily twice that, at least.

Five years ago I could count them on one hand; now I do not have enough fingers or toes, but it's north of 60 for me and 40 or less for Bob, at least that's his story and he's sticking to it.

Whew, thanks for explaining that. It would be nice to see some numbers on the higher end, so I'll throw mine out there. Mine is a guess, I'd say about 170 prior to swinging and around 200 now I guess. Yes, I'm a Samantha and I love to fuck. I think Samantha's numbers are much higher though. I was active duty military and I moved around a lot, plus the guys I met where often moving around a lot too. It was hard to find someone to have a relationship with that was going to be around long enough to get serious with. I also had a lot of opportunities living in areas where the ratio of men to women was very much in my favor. Many of my former military partners had some higher numbers too. The highest I ever heard was a former FB whose number was about 345. He was in his early 30s at the time. MrGPH says he doesn't keep track of how many, but I think his numbers are slightly higher than mine.

Just wanted to post that we have continued to get together with our friends and are enjoying their company in and out of the bedroom. We still like going to the swing socials but haven't done full swap with any other couples. The 'lifestyle' is great for enjoyment for both of us and keeps our passion alive. Where else can you find un-hibited folks?

Lustylearning, we meant that swinging was fun and we seemed to be more alive than we had in years. However, what it boiled down to was we learned much more (or either RE-discovered) than we had known. We're not sorry it happened, it was a good learning experience. We just decided that we didn't need it to start with: we had each other all along. We made some great friends and do still keep up with them. WE (the two of us) had let our passion diminish, swinging definitely cranked it up again, as we posted in our first note. And it's still cranked up. No problems.

It sure is. My wife is still going through the Christian brainwashing thing, telling herself it's wrong to like this lifestyle. I try to tell her it is nothing wrong with it. She struggles with it and we haven't even had our first experience yet.

I'm in my sixties. I've been divorced forever. It has to be well over a hundred.

Well since I'm 59yrs and have lived in a number of place thanks to the Navy, my count is (and it the truth) is well over a hundred...

20+men...intercourse and then some.... 10+women...use your imagination.

What is it you liked best about your MFM encounter(s)? We've only had one, but I think I can safely say Mrs. Alura liked me licking her clit while the other guy fucked her from behind best.