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We agree with Lionheart: The best 'lies' always involve the truth. First of all, you don't need to tell them anything but if you feel that you need to, tell them you are going away for the weekend (leaving out the 'to attend a l/s event"). We have a friend coming to visit and stay with us for a night or two (leaving out "to have sex with"). One thing that I have been able to get away with (since I'm kind of a joker at work) is when talking about what everyone was doing the upcoming weekend was to say that we are planning on going to an orgy. Everyone would laugh and shrug it off as another one of my jokes. On Monday, one or two people would always ask how the orgy was and I would say it was great and we would all laugh again. DO NOT tell your friends that you are involved with swinging...ever. This will cost you friendships. There will be several 'friends' who are so shocked and appalled at this that they will quit seeing you AND tell everyone they know that you are swingers (not that it is any of their business). Unless you are ready for all of your friends, family, and coworkers to know what you are doing in your bedroom and pass judgement on you, don't tell them anything. Why do they even need to know? This is something best kept separate and if one of your friends suspect something and ask (which is kind of rude that anyone would ask about something like this), you can decide what to tell them at that time. Otherwise, NOTHING GOOD WILL COME FROM TELLING THEM ANYTHING. If, on the off chance you are to run into one of your friends at a L/S event, remember that they want to keep this a secret as much as you do, so your secret will be safe with them. It will also give the four of you something to talk about when you are together (wink, wink, nudge, nudge). Maybe some day people will become more enlightened and open (remember people 'coming out' as gay as recent as 30 years ago and being shunned and shamed), but today is not that day.

Our social calendar seems busier each week. (Most) humans don't like isolation and look forward to connection. COVID and "the lost year" brought that into much sharper focus. It's not just minds that want to make up for lost time--bodies want to come along.

Back in the day, we told the truth... just not all of it. We'd tell our friends we were "going dancing" (which was true, we would start the evening dancing... we just didn't mention the group sex with strangers part of the evening). We once ran into a couple we'd met at a swingers club at church... asked how we knew each other I responded "oh, we met through some mutual friends at a party" (which, again, was true... I just didn't say who the friends were or what kind of party it was) In regards to your lady friend coming over, I would really suggest you just say "she's a friend who is visiting and is going to be staying with us instead of getting a hotel" ... just avoid the temptation to mention the crazy naked sex part. People don't look for things they don't expect and really, most people don't expect "oh, we're swingers and we're going to spend the weekend having wild sex with this women."

I never thought I would see this, my wife with a woman. I’ve posted that my wife and I have an open marriage. For years it was unspoken, more recently we talk about our experiences. She meets married men for short relationships, I meet women on business trips. Business trips have been put on hold this year, her meetings have been curtailed. Her meetings have resumed with a new frequency since being vaccinated, something that doesn’t bother me. She recently told me she met a man and another woman, not his wife, and went into details of the meeting. I never heard her say anything about enjoying other women and it excited me to listen. She told me the woman was my type and I would like her. Watching her with men is new for me, watching her with a woman is much more exciting. She said they asked her how much I know about her cheating and asked her to invite me when she said I knew. The woman was my type, she loved sex. The sight I enjoyed most was after having sex with this woman and my wife having sex with her partner, the women cleaned up. Watching my wife licking up my deposit was not only exciting it was surprising. I never knew she would enjoy other women.

Respectfully, I think a few folks might be oversimplifying things. The decision tree has a few more branches on it: Keep in mind, if you decide to go public with your lifestyle activities, you could (likely will) also be exposing your lifestyle partners. What are their privacy expectations? Have you discussed it with them? Do you have their explicit permission to expose them, too? Have you thought about your families, and what they might feel about it? What about your professional careers? Have you thought about what might happen if/when your lifestyle activities are exposed at your respective companies? Your lifestyle actions/inactions could (and probably will) affect more people than just yourselves. And once the toothpaste is out of the tube, there is no way to get it back in. Also, while your friends may be "great", you might want to prepare yourselves for the fact that some of them may not be so accepting of your choices. I've never known anyone who has "come out" publicly about being swingers who did not experience some negative social, and often professional, consequences. We all wish people would be kind and accepting of everyone. But, that seldom happens in real life. If you decide to "come out", good for you. And there could be some good that comes from it. Just think through it carefully before you do. Best of luck.

Do not overthink it. If you act like you are hiding something shameful you will be. If your friends get overly intrusive of curious , you owe them nothing more than being polite. If they get too curious tell them she was a lover from years past, and let them wonder.

We never give or accept certs and say so right in our profile. It's never been a problem. If we missed out on a couple or two - so what.

At the risk of hijacking the discussion, I'm going to respectfully disagree with GoldCoCouple on this one... I think it depends on your friends. I've had friends who I've told whose response was "of course you do, because you and your wife are CRAZY PEOPLE" and we're still friends. I've had friends I told whose response was "oh my god, you too?" which then lead me spending a year having an tumultuous friends-with-benefits relationship with one them, that ultimately ended disastrously (dig a little in the archives here, you'll find posts ) but it was a hell of a ride I wouldn't want to have missed. I have friends I will never tell just because sex simply isn't something we talk about. So, yes, telling people might cost you a friendship... or expand one, or leave one exactly the same as before... it all depends on the friends.

Since when did love = sex? Do you have to love someone in order to have sex with them? If you love someone, are you required to have sex with them? If a couple loves each other and doesn't have sex, does that mean they are fooling themselves about being in love? Now if having sex leads to having a child, that child is much better off if the parents are both committed and in love with each other, but that is a separate issue. Sex and love are not the same thing and can exist totally separate of each other. It is only people who confuse the two and make it difficult.

So, what do you say to the new couples who are looking to make their first steps? Often, experienced couples won't consider meeting with a couple for the first time who isn't "vetted" by others; we had to reach out to friends for a one-off certification just to prove we're "real" -- and it's the only cert we have or use.

Having a child pass thru is much bigger than any cock that may be inserted. There MAY be a temporary 'looseness' or perceived feeling of looseness but it will rather quickly go away. If a vagina stayed the size of the largest object that passed thru, then most families would consist of one child only. Don't be concerned about sizes (it seems way too many people are...they are either too big or too small, but in reality all are 'just right'). Worst case scenario: kegal exercises. Back in my single days, I was with a woman who had done them for quite awhile (being without a boy friend and fearing that she was too loose as baggage from her ex husband). She had had two children and was worried about the same thing. First of all, she was just fine under normal circumstances, but when she would orgasm, her well toned and exercised muscles would crush down and (depending on if it was an in stroke or an out stroke) force me out or not let me enter. While interesting and different, it could also be painful to me. If only the world could quit spending so much time worrying about the size of things...

While I respect your opinion, your example is not quite the same thing as what this couple is proposing. Having a relationship with someone who works for an outside company is not the same as having an ongoing relationship with someone you work with at the same firm. There is a reason why most Fortune 500 companies have higher level executives sign employment agreements that contain explicit prohibitions against such behavior. And there are many instances of high level executives having been terminated for violating the policy: Top executives at Boeing, McDonalds, Eli Lilly, BlackRock, Warner Bros, NBC Universal, and many others, all lost their jobs due to having affairs with co-workers. There is a simple rule in business: "Don't stick your d__k in the payroll."

I imagine we will let them in on it eventually. All of them. Probably. We don't even hide our faces on the LS sites we frequent, so we imagine that sooner or later someone we know may stumble across us if they haven't already. We aren't overly concerned about people finding out, but the missus would prefer to keep tight lips about it for now. They are all great friends, but yes, they do participation in the occasional "did you hear such and such" and "you didn't hear this from me" business. We tend to avoid that mess, but we are perhaps just a little better at keeping things to ourselves than some others. ? We will discuss the possibility of letting them in on it. For now, she's still insisting we sneak our lady friend in through the back door. ? We understand discretion is a big thing in the LS, so we can't imagine this is too unheard of.

There is something in there that makes me admire both of you.

So why isn't it just as crazy a concept for me to let my husband sleep with other women? Is it because a man, even a married one, having more than one female sexual partner - his wife - is considered "normal," while a married woman fucking around is breaking a taboo? Why are there no examples (that I know of) of a woman having a haram of men, yet the sultan with his multiple wives is a cliché?

Same with us; we explicitly say we don't give them, and expect others to NOT give them. We don't "Kiss and Tell".

When Daniela opens her mouth to show the load that was dropped (or occasionally she stole from another woman's pussy), pushing it around with her tongue, before making a big deal of swallowing. I'm not a big cummer, and she's a "cum in my pussy" type of woman, so when it happens, it's a treat.

If others are like us there will be a big boom. Locked up and isolated gave us time to figure out life is fragile. Healthy today on a respirator tomorrow, know people who exercise and eat healthy trying to always doing the right thing having their life cut short. Being together 24/7 gave us time to talk and have sex. We watched online porn with people having fun and our conversation went to the question of could you do that. We got to the part about transmitting diseases, here we were isolating did we want to tempt fate. Vaccinations done the talk was do I want sex with someone new. Vaginal or oral? I said sex is sex. A woman? Maybe. YOLO. We found a couple, strangers to us and after we did the deed we had no regrets. I shared my thoughts and deed with a very good friend telling her why we did it. She explained to her husband my thoughts. Didn’t take her long to say her husband wanted me. We put off swinging with them and suggested it would be better if they were with someone else first. Make sure first, we can wait. Boom? Well here are 2 new couples who have joined the LS after vaccination.