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Seems like there are more and more guys professing to be bisexual these days on SLS and I'm sure other sites. Whether they come out and say it on their profile header or say it through innuendo in the text, it seems to be more accepted. Also there are just as many straight guys indicating that they are not down with same sex play. If your wife wants to see MM play, you should have no problem finding takers.

Bias Disclaimer - I hate anything Apple with a seething hot passion. It's like my thought process and theirs are just diametrically opposed. If I had my way, mrs cplnuswing's iphone and ipad wouldn't even be allowed in the house just on principle. She tends to disagree with that though ? I can see how this will be misunderstood and blown up into more than it is...for now anyways. The "we've got something great for you whether you want it or not" just goes with the Apple territory. In general though, every bit of control or privacy or belief when they say they have our best interests at heart that we give up to big tech, no matter how innocent or noble purposed at the time, tends to come back and haunt us later in some way. So, opt-in or not, no thanks. The fact that it is even on there without you consciously putting it on there, I'll pass. I also believe the whole sex predator thing is hugely overblown. Yes, sadly it happens, and yes, it's something parents need to be aware of and work with their kids on. What it's not is something to be hysterical about in the false belief there's a predator lurking behind every tree and behind every text. As soon as I hear the "it's to protect the kids" justification, I get suspicious about what the motives really might be because that one is a proven winner at eliciting strong emotional responses and is thrown around way too frequently. I recognize I'm probably an outlier on this stuff - the "find your family" or whatever it's called on Apple, I have no interest in that either. I have no interest or desire to know where mrs. cplnuswing is every second of the day, nor does she me. We've got family members though who are like glued to that. Adults and adults. Not like trying to keep up with a teenager's Saturday night shenanigans, but adults watching adults commute to work or whatever. The same commute as every single day. No snowstorm, nothing out of the ordinary - just helicoptering over each other. It's just sort of creepy I think. It's like people are literally scared to get out of the house anymore, or to let their loved ones out of the house (not talking COVID, this started before that). Sounding like the old fogey I am beginning to suspect I am turning into... but dammit, somehow we survived without all of this overbearing bullshit. Are there teenage Saturday nights I thank my lucky stars my parents didn't have the ability to track me on back then? You bet your ass there are But you know what, we all somehow made it alive and well through having had that freedom and learned some good life lessons along the way.

This has been the summer of awakening. New friends, becoming a nude beach lover and learning what my body never knew. It’s a trip for us to get to the beach early enough to get parking. My friends got there before us and they were already talking to a few people I never saw before. Sitting near them I don’t know how the conversation turned to sex it just did. They were talking about TV and some new program on HBO I never heard of and how they are nude and a guy was eating ass. I thought they were just trying to see how we would react. I kept quiet, my friend said she doesn’t enjoy anything in her butt. I was dragged into the conversation saying I don’t do butt sex. So the talk was all about butts, the other wives laughing about it. I was told my butt was very nice. Thank you. One guy said I would enjoy it if I allowed it. No thank you. After the beach we have been going for drinks nearby. Our new friends had another place and invited us. I guessed more was going to be involved. I wasn’t sure if I wanted to have random sex with people we just met. My friends and Rock were gitty about the possibility. At drinks talk turned to swinging, we said we just started they have for years and stopped this year and back to fun times. The woman certainly are bi. They made some jokes about us being new to that. Now I know first hand about rimming or tossing my salad, new words and new experiences. My life is learning all these new things.

There is a lid for every pot. Post your interests on an appropriate site for your geographic region and you will find many suitable partners.

Ha! She did. She did it with that friend of her brother and gave me the details that weren’t that exciting. The big scare was I had heard it could hurt and getting pregnant. I had a boyfriend, my age, that almost took my prize, he may have with a finger even if it wasn’t the big event. I was willing and he wanted to, then he lost it before the main event. Think it bothered him that we didn’t go all the way. The following week my friend talked me into going with her brother who was so called experienced. He did know his way around a female body in a good way. It wasn’t as painful or bloody as I was expecting. I think my boyfriend may have been the one who took away the virginity just not the way I thought it would be.

At 15 my friend and I competed to be the first to be with a guy. I had boys “feel me up” and had one grind so much he left with a big stain. My friend dated an older boy, her brothers friend and she used to tell me what they did. I was kind of envious of her but too scared to do what she was doing. She told me he licked her and she gave him a blow job. I knew about all of that yet I was thinking how can you do it. She said it was fun and offered to do something to me, my first oral experience.

Interesting, since my wife's earliest sexual experiences (oral sex and finger fucking) started with other girls in junior high school. Daniela said that even the totally straight girls justified it as practicing for when they started with boys. Her Lesbian interests and activities have never diminished. I guess there is a learning curve you had to climb. There are significant distinctions, however. She has never sought a relationship with a woman as she has with men, only sex. While she is dominant towards men, she is very submissive to women. And while she likes older men, Daniela is attracted to college girls. Do you now have preferences for attractiveness in women? Are your feelings different having sex with men and women?

A first experience is the hardest choice a couple can make and I know for me I was shaking not only being touched it was watching my rocker having sex with another woman. I have full knowledge of him worrying and having performance anxiety, he didn’t.

We do the "sloppy seconds" thing & I absolutely LOVE it!! My man loves fuking me right after another has finished inside of me. He tells me to stay laying down on my back until he is ready to enjoy me (normally after our company leaves). We stick with a small circle of playmates & he always screens very well for us so we play as safe as possible. I can't get enough of the way he lingers with & admires my body after getting filled by another man. I can really tell how much he enjoys it by how he takes me afterwards! I hafta admit that one major reason I enjoy being with other men is because of how great & sexy he makes me feel after! I also like to clean off my hubby's dik after he soaks it in my filled V. If we play with a female I always hope she is also okay with getting filled up because then I eat my hubby's cum out of her & clean her up as much as possible. However, we do feel like pubic hair is pretty gross & we prefer you shaved. Its cleaner in general but you can also tell if there's any visible soars or what not.

Unfortunately, male bisexuality has not historically been embraced by the swinging community as a whole (unlike female bisexuality which is often assumed). In fact, in the clubs we used to go to, it was generally looked down upon and bisexual men had to express their interests privately (what you did behind closed doors was your business, but don't open the door). I'm not sure how much this has changed in recent years and I'm sure, with the internet, you can probably find someone but it might take a fairly targeted search.

You haven't seen our kitchen. All the lids and pots aren't even in the kitchen. Some the kids have hidden.

I often write about our first swap with a couple and my night alone with him. The next day I had a very uncomfortable bi experience, something I never wanted to do. I never had any sexual attraction to women and certainly had never planned to explore. As it was our first swing I just went along not wanting to ruin my experience from the night before. Over the years since that first time I have had contact with bi sex in very small doses. Normally it was done as part of another playtime thing. I became less afraid of being with a woman, still not giving totally to being bi. Our friend who we met on vacation years ago, our first and primary play partner was coming to NYC on business and said she was going to have free time and wanted to meet in the city for a Girl’s Day. She was on business and finished early and the weather was perfect. I agreed to meeting, we had become very good friends and I never spent time with her without our husbands. She booked a Mani/Pedi and massages for both of us. Her treat. Lunch outdoors in great restaurant, walking and talking. I always wondered if we were their first, I told her they were too relaxed that first time, she swore we were, they had agreed before the cruise that they would approach a couple. I told her how often I think about that night and how romantic her husband was. She told me they have played with others and she always thinks about her first also. A beautiful day, we had drinks at a rooftop bar and talked and talked. She mentioned that her hotel was great and invited me to stay the night. She read my body language as not being onboard, and said we would be alone, no putting on a show for the men. Give it a try, I could always leave. After big hesitant minutes, I gave into lust. My friend is a beautiful person, as romantic as her husband. With my inhibitions taken away, we made love for hours. Made love to a woman for our own benefit not for men watching us. I still don’t think I am bisexual, it was a magical day.

I know that you have to be...older to understand the reference, but Apple once had a VERY popular commercial back in 1984 (only shown during the Super Bowl) for the Macintosh where Apple was accusing Microsoft and IBM of being 'Big Brother' (from the book '1984' by George Orwell where the society is ruled by the "Big Brother" and citizens are constantly monitored by the government). The tag line was was "...and you'll see why 1984 won't be like '1984'." The circle is now complete as Apple as become 'Big Brother'. Careful what you say, Apple...

Me too. Daniela is significantly younger than I and less than a decade out of college. Now that we don't play outside our group, she's no longer looking. Back when she was looking, the problem she had is that those younger women weren't into to dominating her. (Except a few of the athletes.) She gets what she wants from the couple she primarily plays with: Daniela dominates him and is submissive to her, something they don't do with each other. For me it's strange to watch, because Daniela and I don't do that thing either.

Yeah, they want oral at the end. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the situation; could be multi-orgasmic and want a final O, or just prefer finishing that way. In addition to my limited past sex partners, it is consistently what I experience and observe with a couple of women in our current group regardless of the guy, so it isn't just me and my dick. My wife, who easily cums from regular intercourse prefers her oral as foreplay, but will routinely want someone to go down on her afterwards as well.

New experiences with the right person is wonderful if you enjoy it. Not everything new is enjoyable.

Only half can cum? That’s horrible. It’s only recently that I saw people have sex in real life. I am pretty sure all the women came from the men. I have cum from every partner both men and women. I understand women can fake it, men can’t. My first swing was with a woman, she relaxed me eventually and I had a big orgasm and her husband gave me a few. Unless she was a great actor my husband gave her one. Our friend couldn’t fake it, she squirts every time she cums, unless she faked that. If the other women faked it they sure didn’t complain. They reacted like they were cumming.

I cant say I like one more. This is still all new to me and I’m enjoying all the new things. It’s years since I sucked a new cock and am very familiar with Rock’s. I know what he likes, what was every spot on it, what it smells and tastes like. I’m still exploring pussy, so foreign trying to please another woman.

Parent's swinger friends...tell us more. I am sure there's a bigger story behind that

I could not have said it better myself - mirrors our feelings 100%.

Step one - ignore the above advice. Step two - Communicate, communicate, communicate. A true story I have told many times here is that a wise man once told me that if he could watch his wife suck another man's dick, he could talk to her about anything. Since we were watching her do just that, I figured he knew what he was talking about. You and your wife need to be able to talk, openly and honestly about anything. Not just sex. Anything. You need to feel comfortable and that you trust her completely and she needs to feel the same. Now, on the sex side, you need to talk about it outside the bedroom, outside of the sexual fantasy. Talk about it in a context where you don't get turned on by it, but where you can talk about it together and together confront your concerns, your desires and your hopes in the cold, clear light of day. Because you're right... what sounds like a good idea when your horny can sounds breathtakingly stupid in the cold light of day... so it's in the cold light of day that you need to talk about it. Once you think you are ready, you need to find the guy... and that can be surprisingly difficult (see above re Step one) especially in these days of pandemic. There are a number of websites that specialize in helping swingers connect but a surprising amount of flakes, fakes and bad matches. Personally, I've never had any luck with websites so I'm of no help on this one. When you do find a guy, know and clearly state your boundaries. It doesn't matter what they are... no kissing, no oral, no anal, no small talk, whatever... know what your limits are and make sure the guy knows them too. Also, make sure everyone understands that if anyone... you, her or him... feel uncomfortable at any time, for any reason or no reason at all, they have the absolute to say Stop... and as soon as anyone says Stop, everyone Stops. Period, no questions, accusations, guilt trips, nothing. No means No. One last thing I really suggest is to set aside expectations. It's easy to build up a fantasy of what the encounter will be like. The reality will never match that fantasy. The best thing you can do is leave the fantasy at home and, if and when the time comes, go with it and enjoy the moment.

I have never sought out a relationship with anyone male or female. I never sought out sex, sex happened as part of a vacation that was for pleasure other than sex with my husband. We never sought out a couple for sex, just friendship. I would never consider myself dominant nor submissive, I consider myself engaged as equals. I never thought about age, we were attracted as friends to another couple similar to us. I would consider saying the people we have met are attractive hoping they would say that about us. College student are too young for us to be intimate. Sex with a man and a woman is totally different. I am one that rather be alone with the right man, my husband being very right. Being with a woman still doesn’t come natural for me, I do to much thinking. Receiving is less thought provoking as I have learned to relax and enjoy. Giving I think too much. I try to do to her what I enjoy getting. I was matching what she was doing to me. Also there was no thought in stopping with her, there is no other act after, no other sex expected to complete the act. With men I hope for prolonged and various positions, with her the ultimate was going to be done orally. I was very intent to bring her to the same point she brought me to.

I have known/know women who can cum only by a tongue on her clit, never (or hardly ever) with a dick in her vagina.

Amen to THIS!!!

I don’t know what Honey does alone with women, only what she does when I’m there. We share pussy and we compare. Sweet pussy, stanky pussy, juicy pussy, clits, lips and screaming loud sex. If she is fucking and I watched I have no problem saying the guy has a fat cock or a small cock or man he went forever. Someone who shoots a big load on her I think I notice more. Always fun to talk and share what we were thinking. Got me thinking do you look at a pussy like I do.

Thank you for sharing an experience. If you read my posts you know that I have been with women who are exploring a new experience. Almost all the women are having sex being watched by both their and my husband, not under the best circumstances to enjoy their own sexuality. I always concentrate on giving pleasure wanting a first experience to be memorable and positive. I’m not a therapist, I do enjoy talking after to the woman knowing it might be a life changing moment. It troubles me when they ask if they did right, did I enjoy, or they look to the husband for his approval. Being alone, no husbands or as I call them Sightseers is a different experience. My advice has always been to enjoy, it’s about them, not me. Be able to verbalize your likes, nobody knows exactly what feels good to you. I also know receiving is much easier for them, giving pleasure to a woman is alien to what has been learned. I normally guide them to places I enjoy being touched, externally and internally. Oral sex is the primary pleasure act even when toys are involved, it’s also the hardest act to start. If you can, you said your head was between her legs was a foreign experience, what went through your thoughts, what did you focus on, did she respond the way you wanted? I understand your want for a man, I enjoy men more as well and enjoy my man, this new part just adds to enjoyment. As I say to other women, don’t do anything because someone wants you to do it, do it because you want to do it. If you enjoyed her and think you will enjoy being with women, I say Enjoy! If you don’t enjoy, stop, I am sure you have tried other things once and never tried again.

You aren’t dense, you know what the difference is between sex with a man and sex with a woman. You enjoy sex with multi people, I enjoy being alone with one person. Sex with a man is very natural to me, something I have done my entire adult life. I know how to touch a man, I know what the men I have been with enjoy. I am still very new to pleasing another woman. It should come natural, I know what pleases me and try to replicate the things I respond to. I missed a man, a penis specifically. I know how to please a penis, how to touch a penis, how to orally caress a penis. I enjoy having a penis in me. Swapping has allowed me to enjoy the differences I had not enjoyed since marriage. I think most on here enjoy the newness of being with a different partner. The different touching, different scent, different taste and the different motions. My head between the legs of a woman is a foreign experience. I was looking at a body part differently than I ever did before. Differently than I ever saw my own. I saw this one before from this angle, just not the same way as this time, alone with her and not being watched. You would think you would know what to do distinctively.

The night with her was very similar to a night with her husband with one major difference. When we first met and we swapped husbands I had a hard time liking her. She didn’t do anything to make me dislike, I enjoyed my time with her before the swap. I wasn’t ready for sexual advances by a woman. I had a very difficult time responding and even harder time touching her. Over time they became very close friends, at a distance, and I love spending time with them. I am a drop more comfortable with her sexually, not totally loving it. The things we have done were always part of other play we all did. This was the first time alone with her, no help from the men. I had a good time, you can guess the thing I missed most.

In our group all the women do oral. How would I feel if someone didn’t? I don’t know because it hasn’t happened. My husband and I don’t have rules. Oral sex has always been part of any sex I’ve had since having sex.

In evaluating the profiles of prospective play partners, it’s important to understand – as Baconheads notes – that “soft swing” can mean very different things to different people. For sure, it means there won’t be vaginal penetrative sex between the non-partners. Beyond that, soft play can range from light petting with close on through oral sex between non-partners. When you see that in the profiles of a couple who look compatible, one of the first things to determine is what their definition of “soft swing” is.

If by "hotwife" you mean letting her have some fun the way she wants before her having to deal with the complications of you playing with another woman, then yes that's a great way to start. If she's a good sex partner otherwise, don't complain and certainly don't be depressed. As a woman, I will do oral on a guy whenever he wants, but more than half the time he's putting his dick in my pussy without it. And even when I do suck one of my guys, after a short while they "can't stand it anymore" and want in my pussy. Rarely has a guy wanted me to do oral on him until he came in my mouth. I don't think it's because I'm particularly bad at oral (or my pussy's particularly good), because I see the same with Lora and Clair. Now that I don't understand. Perhaps she just likes the sensation of your dick better and prefers to get off that way. Since I can orgasm several times in succession, I like it as foreplay and as post penis-in-vagina fucking. And it is the essential part of our lovelife among Clair, Lora and me. A few, perhaps, but not "quite a few."

If you're swinging, sloppy seconds is going to happen. Why not enjoy it?

Among our closed little group, the guys certainly don't let sloppy seconds stop them and the women enjoy the mess. As to going down, the guys don't necessarily seek it out, but will do it for us if asked. We women are bi, and like licking pussy and sucking dick after two have finished.

While I don't seek it out not do I have a fetish, Im fine with sloppy seconds when it occurs, usually as a reconnection boink. If Mrs Doc isn't quite done after her partner is, I'm quite willing to jump in if that's her desire.

It is definitely a different feeling, especially when her BF is thicker than me. I would do it over and over, it is freaking fantastic.

With one couple we really trusted, after a few months we decided to go bareback. After we had a session and they left, my wife and I often had reclaiming sex, as we did after couples and men where they used condoms. My wife was a freak about using tissue on herself after sex, but still when her insides were coated with our friend's sperm, it was always much silkier, lube wasn't necessary at all. Yeah, it was hot and wonderful. But still, don't let this fantasy get away from you; worry about STDs and pregnancy; play safe.

Apple IS Big Brother...