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I would say something like 'he sure seemed to like taking with my wife and kind of ignored the two of us' and just leave it at that. If you say something bad about him and they end up staying together for awhile it can be awkward but if you don't say anything, and it does turn out that he is a creep, she's going to wonder why you didn't warn her. Just stick to the facts and stay away from the emotional part and let it play out (unless she specifically asks for more details or a deeper opinion).

Please provide a reliable source for this assertion …

The single men that I have played with have been exclusively recommended by other friends couples, going online and choosing a guy just because he is cute is a damn stupid idea that will leave us disappointed or can be even dangerous! Our couple friends recommend us not only handsome guys with experience that can "perform" but also that understand 100% the lifestyle and their role in it, for us, there is a big difference when we meet with another couple to swap and have group sex than having a single man for an MFM. During couple swap and/or party we are there to participate as a team, to be pleased and please everybody involved. My husband is straight, during an MFM, I am the Centre of attention, I am there to be pleased until exhaustion and to perform for my Husband, to put on a good show for him, the single man is there with us to facilitate all that.

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System includes all events to be reviewed at a later date for significance. Someone dying in a vehicle crash a week after vaccination might be included in the 725,000 adverse events for eventual analysis.

I am not sure that I follow your story. Or who did what wrong and why.

We made a decision once we were vaccinated not to be with anyone who wasn’t vaccinated. Our choice! We are educated and we don’t deny that vaccines work and don’t deny that we can still get and pass on the virus to others. We have friends that had breakthrough cases, none ended up in the hospital. We know of many unvaccinated people who have been hospitalized and some who have died. We recently met with people, strangers, who we invited to play and they had no problem showing us their vaccination cards. We are smart enough to know that cards can be fake and that vaccination is a guarantee to be virus free. It was our decision to go by our rule and their choice to go along with our wishes.

I totally agree. I also believe those who make bad lifestyle decisions should pay more - swingers, smokers, overweight people (your weight should be tracked weekly via smart watch and submitted to a federal agency for tracking), people who eat red meat, people who don't complete the government's recommended amount of fitness activities each week (your activity should be monitored via smart watch and submitted to a federal entity for verification), people who drive (the most dangerous way to travel), people who don't sleep 8 hours a night (also tracked via smart watch), people who don't eat the recommended amount of vegetables each day, people who eat sugar.... Soon the IRS will be given your bank account information (all bank accounts with more than $600 of annual activity). This will be good because they can monitor where you spend your money and what you buy. There is no way I should be required to subsidize those who eat sugar and fatty foods. The federal government needs to mandate what people eat. I think a national food card should be issued and the federal government can add value to it monthly. With significantly higher taxes, people will have less disposable income. Then with limitations on what the card can purchase, the federal government can control our health. This can coincide with the federal government controlling healthcare via Medicare for all. They can refuse to provide treatment for any ailments that are a result from bad choices. This is the utopia that I dream of.

1. Incorrect. Your immunity from an infection expires quickly. Those who were infected and vaccinated have the most robust immunity. 2. The vaccine is effective. The highest number of cases are in the states with the lowest vaccination rates. I don’t think that this is a coincidence. 3. The adverse complaints are self-reported. They may be untrue, unrelated to the vaccine or minor. We know hundreds of people. Many suffered from covid, we know no one who suffered from the vaccine. 4. You don’t have to get vaccinated. But you may not be allowed to travel, dine out, have federal or medical employment, etc. There is no right to infect other people. Good luck and stay well!

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I love big butts and I can not lie! Share them if you got them.

Our original conversation started with what it would be like to be with another woman which led to which one of my friends would I think would be a good third. We thought it would be almost impossible for two women with no experience to ever build up the courage to act out a new sexual experience. Yes, too many things could go wrong with a friend. We decided to find a couple online, if things went bad there was nothing lost. It ended up it was a great decision. Our next step was for me to let our secret out to the friend I thought would be the one I would enjoy being with. She was very interested in what I told her but I told her I was not going to be her first. I told her about our first couple and suggested to test the waters with them.

GOLDCOCOUPLE< Yep.

Second njbm's comment. Most friends are now ready and/or wired for swinging and eventually this trips them up. They aren't ready for the emotions that are involved. Also, if (when) things so sideways, not only will you loose a friend, EVERYONE is going to know what you do in your bedroom...friends, relatives, co-workers. Are you ready for that? If you want to swing, find someone that is experienced with swinging (finding a single man to swing with is like finding a cheese burger at McD's). Also, someone that is already a swinger probably doesn't know your friends and relatives.

I would have guessed that YOU should have approached her and let her know that your husband was interested in 'hitting her up'. That he did it probably made her think that this was being done without your knowledge and so she kept it secret (red flags start waving). While she may have participated (it's not really clear), if she didn't know that it was consensual, most people wouldn't have said anything ... of course, that tells you something about how trustworthy she actually is. Did you husband tell you what was happening? It sounds like he didn't as well, in which case, your communication isn't as strong as you thought. We agree, huge communication breakdown here, but you can't just blame your husband and/or friend. Communication takes more than one person to work. Were you asking your husband about what was going on? Finally, this is just another example of why we strongly oppose swinging with friends. Most people are not ready to accept swinging as an option.

Like njbm, I'm a little unclear on what happened here... It sounds like you expected your friend to tell you about what she and your husband were doing. Was she aware of this expectation? Did she know what the "rules of the game" were? Did she even know that you and your husband are swingers or in open relationships? From what little you've said, I'm guessing she didn't. It sounds to me like your husband propositioned her. If she didn't know that she was supposed to share what was going on with you (and unless you or your husband told her, there is no way she could be expected to know that), she may very reasonably have felt uncomfortable doing so. Even if she knew about you having other open relationships, she may been uncomfortable sharing the details of whatever was going on between her and your husband. Sex not something people generally talk about. Sex with your friend's husband is something ordinary people almost never talk about (especially because it's almost always in the context of an illicit affair). Frankly, it seems to me like there was a huge communication breakdown very early here.

From my perspective, that's the answer. She doesn't want to stop, even though you asked so she's throwing that "all of nothing" demand. She doesn't care about your feelings and figures the 'all or nothing' will allow her to continue talking with this guy because she knows you won't do the 'nothing'. And she was correct, you backed off. If you want to stay married, get out of the lifestyle. Your posts say you trust her but your writing implies you don't. From the little info I can garner from your posts is that this will turn out bad. I wouldn't play with them. I wouldn't play any longer. I'd suggest taking time away from the lifestyle if you want to keep your marriage.

I will tell my sister we were uncomfortable. I just gave the swinging experience as an example. I don’t he was realistically trying to pick up my wife. But she could not direct him back to the conversation, I failed to engage him to draw him away. We know what it looks like to flirt with someone. He totally ignored me and my sister and exclusively talked to my wife in a manner that we associate with flirting. We know what that looks like from experience. Thank you for your advice and impartial observations.

Not to doubt you, but just to suggest a different point of view... as swingers, you have a different set of preconceptions. Maybe he was making a move. Maybe he wasn't. Maybe he really found your wife to be interesting and over-focused on her but it isn't necessarily his usual behavior. Unless you have psychic powers you aren't sharing with the forum, you don't actually know what was going on in his head. What you do know is that his behavior made you and your wife uncomfortable (which is important and I don't want to belittle that). I would heartily recommend you focus on that and how best to respond to that. Whether that's you or your wife talking to your sister and telling her his behavior made you uncomfortable or talking to him... I just really suggest that you be careful about drawing conclusions.

We are experienced swingers. It is a much better idea to play with people you meet on online swinger sites, at swinger parties or meet and greets or on swinger resort vacations rather than with your friends. If the swinging encounter goes south, you don’t lose your friend(s).

Thank you. I will make us a gallery

If you have pics in the gallery on this site you can just go to the insert other media and choose from the existing files! Otherwise I am not sure. Maybe a picture hosting site?

The start of an anal session.. We love the butt

Why can we not figure out how to upload a pic??? I want to show off Mrs. Aiki’s ass!!!

Bottom line here is that no one is going to change the opinion of anyone else. So, we need to all respect the choices each make. Meaning no one can or should impose their own on another. If you're vaccinated, then unvaccinated folks should pose no threat to you. if you're still scared, then don't hang out with unvaccinated people. as an unvaccinated person, I am totally comfortable hanging with vaccinated and unvaccinated. I will not force anyone to hang with me AND when invited to gatherings I always tell the host I am unvaccinated....even though I pose no additional threat to others.

As one who has been through the same thing with my husband, I say let her have her fun. But don't look the other way, confront it head on. Don't try to get over it, you will never get over it, you will learn to love it. I crave the jealous feeling that my husband loves another woman. (My fear eventually became that they would flame out.) But he loves me as much as he ever has, and the pleasure and satisfaction he gets from her is credited to me. As a poly family, we not only share bodies, but also emotions. Enjoy your adventures together.

I would argue that the definition of poly also includes the full knowledge and consent of all parties involved. Otherwise, it's just cheating...

I agree. She basically saying "I get to do what I want, regardless of your feelings, or we stop entirely." The correct answer to that, in my not-so-humble opinion, is to stop entirely

We are not poly in anyway and make it a rule not to give our personal phone numbers to anyone in the lifestyle. All chatting happens together and if someone doesn’t like that they can get bent. If you are not comfortable with it then it should end! Your wife should know that is how things work in the lifestyle. If one person isn’t happy with something then it should stop. It doesn’t make you the weak link at all in our opinion. Her saying fine I will stop, but then we should just stop the lifestyle all together sounds to me like she doesn’t want to stop and will throw that out there to get her way. I would totally call that bluff myself, but the lifestyle just isn’t even close to how important my personal relationship with the missus is. If you don’t want to be poly you don’t have to be! Lots of us live this lifestyle without having that kind of connection with other people and are doing just fine.

All great advice, but as said early on in this thread most single men don’t bother reading the first sentence of a couples profile let alone the whole thing! We usually know this by the first message they send. We also have zero tolerance for stupid people so we do not give them a second look if it is clear they did not bother reading it in the first place. So I guess our first tip would be to actually read the couples profile and if you are not what they spend the time to say clearly they are looking for in an extra person do not bother wasting their and your time messaging them!

From my playdate with a submissive a couple weeks ago, she's been asking me to find outlets to display her so I'll make sure she sees this thread.

Sorry, I have nothing to share, I don't have big butt cheeks, but what I have is 88% muscle according to the last measurement. Little tits too. Big labia and clit though.

Always experiencing new things is one of the great things of freeing up your inhibitions. My first reaction to anyone sneaking up behind me was to pucker up, don’t want anything going in there. That first time was a shock and enjoyable at the same time. Different from other sensations.

I have always been an ass man enjoying a well shaped butt rather than a big bust. My wife has a gorgeous butt yet we never went past me tickling or short fingering her butt. The few times we tried anal she said I should stop. Background: I met a woman on a business trip to Salt Lake City and took her out to dinner. Younger and married it was strictly business. She was explaining that she was a member of the LDS and was explaining some of the rules and customs. All women marry young and must be virgin. Men sometimes have other wives even if officially the church doesn’t support that. I wasn’t hitting on her just interested. When dinner was over she asked if she could go back to my room. I had many affairs traveling this was just not the way it normally went. She coaxed me into my shower, I didn’t balk. This plain woman was no longer plain. In the shower she tongued my butt and balls. That was different. I tried to enter her and she said she couldn’t. Wait for the bed. In the bed she backed herself onto my face. I was about to tongue her pussy when she stopped and moaned for me to go higher, her butt. My first ass eat. I know she had her hand between her legs and she moaned. My church lady had been to this party before. Since then I have done this a number of times. Some women stop me, fewer do it to me. When I eventually did it to my wife she asked me where did I learn that. We have an open marriage and we are always finding interesting things to do in bed.

New experiences with the right person is wonderful if you enjoy it. Not everything new is enjoyable.

Short back story. Been open all 21 years of my marriage. Had 2 separate successful relationships inside my own with my husband. We were a trio each time did a lot of MFM. I also played separately. Tons of communication it was a wonderful almost flawless time. Fast forward to 2020, my husband said he was going to try and hit up my bestie for photos and maybe video and see if she was open to that. I agreed, and it was fine until it wasn’t fine anymore. She never once told me about anything she sent or that he even talked to her or asked for anything. I even opened it up talking about my experiences to see if she would talk about it. 6 months pass, of me being totally distant before she reaches out to apologize. I’m angry, no longer am best friends with someone I had a 17 year friendship with and I’m angry with my husband, totally disconnected. Any advice is welcome.

https://www.skyhinews.com/news/coroner-state-included-a-murder-suicide-in-grands-covid-deaths/ Go here and scroll down to 5th Peer Reviewed manuscript. Read it for logic and background on how statistics are being changed and manipulated. https://www.energetichealthinstitute.org/covid-19-updates/ John Hopkins DR, was recently quoted saying that everyone has it wrong. Natural immunity is 27 times more robust than vaccines AND that natural immunity holds up better to variants of the disease than vaccines. He claims 15 other studies support that assertion. NIH agrees: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19 STOP watching news. It's all biased whether it's FOX or MSNBC. If you watch both on a given issue, you'll find they basically say the same thing, just with a different conclusion based on their overall audience. So just STOP and use the wonderful internet to source and verify things. NC_Seniors: It's not anyone's job to provide sources. Do the work. Finally: The Vaccine was and is not expected to stop the transmission of the virus. It NEVER was. Those promoting it wanted us all the believe that so they could sell MORE vaccines. Studies now show that vaccinated individuals have higher viral load of the delta and are actually 'super spreaders' (my words) when compared to non-vaccinated. Also, vaccinated tend to have less symptoms while having a higher viral load so will go unnoticed more so than unvacinated. What we are seeing is that vaccinated people have less serious symptoms, that's it. And I suppose that is sorta true. BUT, people under the age of 40 never really had any serious symptoms. Look at the death rates by age and you'll see that no one under the age of 40 needs a vaccine. So, how does a pharmaceutical company sell more? They tell us all that un-vaccinated people of all ages are a threat to everyone. Oh, no you say, pharmaceutical companies are wonderful organizations that save lives with their scientific advancements. BS. They sell drugs by convincing humans that the human body is weak and needs their stuff to be protected from whatever is out there. Did you also know that pharmaceutical drugs are the 3rd or 4th leading cause of death in America WHEN PROPERLY PRESCRIBED AND PROPERLY TAKEN. https://ethics.harvard.edu/blog/new-prescription-drugs-major-health-risk-few-offsetting-advantages https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25355584/ Let me ask everyone one question. Are people truly healthy in America that are taking drugs to combat disease or are they simply not dead? Being on a blood thinner or cholesterol lowing drug for years isn't health, it just not death. Health is not needing the drug. I believe in the bodies innate ability to be healthy. I do not use western medicine to keep me alive and fight 'chronic' disease and have no need for vaccines. I will not pay more for the shitty healthcare I don't use now, 59, no health problems, haven't used insurance for anything since I was in my 20's and cut myself remodeling a home, and yet I now pay $800+ a month x 2 for a very basic plan because of everyone that practice poor dietary choices, don't exercise, drinks etc etc.

I refuse the vaccinations for these reasons: 1. I had covid last November and have have better immunity than the vax gives. 2. The vaccine doesn't work. Many studies confirm this. 3. The vaccines are not safe. 725,000 adverse reactions reported to VAERS 4. I don't have to take it. The government doesn't have the constitutional power to require it.