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There is an old saying that when one person dies, a whole world disappears. Lovefest04, you are very focused on the mortality rate and its effect on older people (which I presume you are not). But I suggest that you look beyond the numbers and your likelihood of survival and embrace the staggering amount of human pain and suffering that this country has endured with over 700,000 deaths in less than two years. Mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, unexpectedly gone forever. This is a great national tragedy. Why are there more cases and deaths in the US than anywhere else?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/06/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-transmission.html I find it odd that you don't believe that asymptomatic people can spread the disease, but you completely believe that vaccinated people can get it and spread it. The US has a VERY long history of mandating vaccines, starting with small pox in 1809. The legality of that mandate was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1905. It's THE reason you don't see cases of small pox, polio, tetanus, rubella, measles, pertussis, and on down the line. I thank God every day that Youtube wasn't invented then.

Hello GaryandSteph, We have tried many of the sites out there (Kasidie, SLS, SDC) and have found them largely lacking in members from Canada. AFF is better but you will have to be prepared to weed through the chaff to get to the wheat. If you make your expectations/preferences clear in your profile, that helps. SwingTowns; quirky but there are Canucks on it. SwingingHeaven.ca - again, very poorly set up but does have lots of CAD members. I know that this thread originated three years ago; feel free to update us on how you have made out.

The thing that those who oppose taking the vaccine — and mandates to do so — don’t seem to consider is that the overwhelming number of COVID sufferers in hospitals are UNvaccinated. Crisis Standards of Care have already been implemented in three states because there just aren’t enough open beds and/or staff to look after patients. Which also means that some people who come into the hospital due to a heart attack, stroke, automobile accident, or whatever aren’t able to receive the care they need. And this could *all* be prevented if more people would just get vaccinated so they didn’t get so severely sick. So yes, you have the right to make a personal decision … but don’t act as if your decision has no effect on anybody else, because it does!

Which is why so many people are dying of polio right now. but know you are more likely to transmit COVID-19 to your loved ones than the unvaccinated, unmasked boogeyman haunting your thoughts. Umm, what?

Incidentally, you've been given some bad information. The PREP Act exemption applies to all COVID-19 vaccines, and is not in any way tied to an EUA. More importantly, manufacturers are already protected from liability for most vaccines, after the bogus DPT scare in the 1980s caused large jury awards that scared manufacturers out the market which turned into a national shortage. It's actually normal to be unable to sue the manufacturer directly for side effects. Instead, you have to go through a specific federal program to get compensated. The PREP Act exemption merely designates a different government program, the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program, to handle the claims, instead of the one that handles most others, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

Us too (although we're not really in the lifestyle, and not playing). We're not "living in fear" or whatever other bs people want to say. We're careful for ourselves, friends, family and community. We still live our life - have traveled across the US and abroad several times in the last year. We eat out and go to parties - primarily outdoors. I haven't missed a beat at work. It's amazing how easy it is to live your life, but yet still be careful and concerned about others.

Umm, yeah. It's the difference between dying and not dying. It's the difference between getting Covid and having it not affect me, but passing it along to my 80 year old mother - who by the way, doesn't want to die with a tube stuck down her throat. If we didn't have the vaccination, and you were within 6 ft of an 80 year old, without a mask, there's a high probability that you are passing it to that 80 year old, and you are killing her. Read that sentence and let it sink in. Another question for the numbers people out there: How many people have died from administering the vax, or from complications from the vaccine? Of the people dying from Covid right now, what percentage are unvaccinated? I think if you answer those two questions honestly, you'll know exactly who the "boogeyman" is.

I agree with you, and yet... ...there's no shortage of amateur epidemiologists on both sides arguing the opposite of 80% of professional epidemiologists.

Unless it’s you are someone you love. Yeah, all those OLD 50 year olds. 728,125!! and growing, overwhelmingly unvaccinated.

I see the numbers problem. Thanks. I do find it hard to believe that the data can't tell us the sex of over 138885 dead souls, but okay. The numbers are not part of my story, just interesting in the lack of data, the amount of guess work. The 728,xxx are made up of "1] Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1." https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm Sorry can't read the NY times piece. Here are two: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32513410/ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w Yes, it's a big number. But here's the numbers I like best. 728,125 dead represent 1.6% of all cases nationally. Of those, about 93.9% are over the age of 50. That demographic represents just 25.7% of the total population. So, that means that all other deaths 6.1% are found in 74.3% of the population. Vaccine and medical treatment measures should be focused on the 50 + crowd not the 50 and under crowd. The push to mandate vaccines for everyone is misguided and aimed at the wrong group. And based on the CDC's data there have been 45,070,875 cases with 728,125 dying from whatever, which means that of the total cases 44,379,741 survived. 98.4% survived. And so why are we vaccinating 12 year olds?

728,125 dead of covid. But many will tell you they died of something else. But it got my attention. I’m vaccinated, wear a mask at indoor crowded places and socially distance. Hope to qualify for a booster soon.

Bis struggle to be accepted in both straight and gay worlds. It sucks

The insidiousness of this virus is that asymptomatic people can transmit it. So while one may think that not wearing a mask is their own personal choice or freedom, they are actually THE problem - passing on the virus without even knowing it. And if you catch Covid bc of the individual freedom crowd, or unwittingly pass it on to someone who is elderly or immunocompromised, that was not under your or their control. I realize everyone is a youtube expert these days, and I'm no different. But for me it boils down to one simple, indisputable fact: Viruses don't move. People move them.

The masks and vaccines are under people’s control. Their advancing age, pre-existing diseases are not necessarily.

We all can agree with having compassion for people who suffer from chronic obesity, diabetes, or other problems--obviously, this includes anyone born with a disease(s). However, there is a difference between having compassion for someone and excusing them from taking personal responsibility for their own health. Thus far, COVID-19 has been listed as the cause of death, or contributing to the death, of more than 720,000 people in the US. Following are some stats to put that number in perspective. Note most of this information and stats were taken straight from the CDC: Heart disease, the number one cause of death in the US, kills approximately 660,000 people every year. What causes heart disease? Often, heart disease is the result of poor diet, a sedentary lifestyle, smoking, and other factors mostly in control of the patient. Cancer, the number two cause of death in the US, kills approximately 600,000 people every year. Lung cancer is by far the most common form. What causes lung cancer? Eighty percent of all lung cancers are due to smoking. Obesity is the most prevalent, and fasting growing, disease in the US. According to the CDC, 42.4% of all adults in the US are obese. From 2000 through 2018, the percentage of adults who are obese increased by nearly 40%. What causes obesity? The cause is primarily behavioral. Poor diet and lack of exercise are the most common behavioral factors. Worse, we have a tidal wave of childhood obesity headed our way. Nearly 20% of all children are obese. Childhood obesity was never a problem in the either the distant or recent past and is entirely a modern phenomenon. While some people are inclined to blame obesity on genes, we know genetics play little role. How do we know? Adult obesity in the US grew by 40% in less than two decades. The human genetic makeup does not evolve that quickly. "Genetic changes in human populations occur too slowly to be responsible for the obesity epidemic", according to the CDC. The truth is now, and has always been, our overall health is largely in control of our individual choices.

The elderly are elderly. They can’t help it. Hopefully, we all get there. Some people are born with diabetes or other diseases that pre-dispose them to covid. Some people like Gen. Powell have multiple myeloma and Parkinson’s disease. He could not help it. He didn’t want those diseases. As a lifelong yo yo dieter, I can tell you it is not easy to lose weight and keep it off. I know few people who can do so for any length of time. Genetics, habits, psychological issues conspire to undermine dieting. To quit smoking isn’t easy, either. I try not to judge people for shortcomings that are difficult to control. Many people have diseases they wish they did not have. Many heavy people struggle with diets, bariatric surgery, etc. , but still are overweight. They are not necessarily hanging out at fast food and pizza joints. If you are young, in shape and healthy, do have some sympathy and compassion.

Good luck finding a medical examiner who is willing to report the truth. I have friends in medical billing in three different areas of the country (San Francisco, Dallas and Portland). You won't believe how "Covid deaths" are reported. Death from Covid is a lucrative business vs death with Covid. We'll never know the real numbers because politics took over during the 2020 election and have gotten worse. The latest data I saw was unvaccinated people under 50 have a 99.997% change of survival. Make sure you get vaccinated!

True, he was 84 and fully vaccinated. But he also suffered from “multiple myeloma, a cancer of plasma cells that suppresses the body’s immune response.” (Source CNN). That’s an important fact here.

Everybody is different, everybody life and circumstances are different, I am 38 years old, we have no children or big commitments, also I have always had a high libido (for a woman), so sex is a fundamental part of my life. 1.) If I'm having these feelings am I just not "cut out" for the lifestyle? Absolutely, you do not need a full commitment to the lifestyle, I know people that rarely plays but still have tons of fun when they do. 2.) How much time does the Lifestyle consume of your everyday life? mmm, well tricky question because I do several things that can be considered as part of the lifestyle but at the same time they are not, like going to the gym, do my nails and hair, depilation, buying sexy lingerie/clothes. Other things that are clearly part of the lifestyle like chatting/flirting online, reading messages, participating in discussions, getting ready for a date/party and of course the playtime itself. 3.) How often do you tell your partner no when it comes to other couples? Not very often, but certainly I have said "nop, thanks" on more than one occasion, my husband pick couples from the websites and I do filter them, same in the club, he gives me options of couples/ladies he finds attractive and I do choose from there.

Huge area that needs research. At this point all we have is the VAERS system as a depository for data, but it is unconfirmed. So, we'll hear a lot more about this as time progresses. I don't care. It's each persons right to choose the vaccinate or not. Period. I should be allowed to make an informed decision about my personal health needs without the punishment of losing a job, not being allowed to fly, not being welcome in a restaurant etc. All of those 'punishments' are based on the flawed concept that unvaccinated people somehow spread this virus and are responsible for 'killing others'. There is simply no scientific evidence to support this. There are lots of people who keep ringing that bell, but even it 100% of the world gets vaccinated, people will continue to get sick, some seriously some not so much. AndrewandAnn - thank you for your clear and concise information. It is appreciated, at least by me. Once again, I'm 59 years old. So young by my parents standard and old by my children's standard. That is not my point. I just don't want to get the vaccine and all the lies and hype about me putting others at risk is not sufficient to make me or anyone else comply. These mandates are wrong, they should be illegal and they won't help. So, let's not inject anyone who wished to take the risk or any children with a toxic substance under the misguided idea that they are 'killing' others. Instead of turning on neighbors, family and friends that wish to remain vaccine free and don't pose any additional risk to the vaccinated, lets figure our who did this. Really, why aren't people demanding answers about the virus's origin?

I have never seen data that specifically supports this statement. Please send links if you have them. I have seen the excessive cycle counts for the PCR tests made it possible for a person that had viral particles that were dead or too low to infect others to be detected. They became a case, but because they weren't sick, they were classified as 'asymptomatic spreaders'. Does anyone remember when this illogical line of thinking came into being. Dr Deborah Brix just made a passing comment about how that should be looked into. And all of a sudden you have asymptomatic spreaders. Never any serious research or study, just the comment and everyone is told that everyone else is a 'killer'. It doesn't make sense. So, I respectfully disagree with your assessment DocPhotog. I just saw on the CDC website that as of October 18, 2021 there were 586,xxx deaths due to COVID, not 720,000. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics But if you're going to create fear, not you Andrew, others, I get that it's better to use the higher number which comes from non-CDC sources like https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/ Regardless, non of this gives our government the right to mandate vaccines for the population. And especially with those under the age of 50. There is just no evidence to support that. Plus, as we now know, vaccinated people still get COVID and can shed the virus, so shooting up all this people isn't going to save the old folks. I'm sorry to hear this. My aunt died of colon cancer. It's a difficult death. What if it was within our control the majority of the time. In other words, what if cancer isn't something we get, it's something we create. What if everyone decided that they were in control and made different choices about how they care for their bodies? Some estimates suggest 80% of chronic disease, 80% of cancers and 80% of heart disease could be eliminated. Clearly the current 'system' isn't helping to eliminate disease. Although I agree it can keep people alive longer, not living but alive.