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I'll take your numbers are accurate (didn't look them up). But what is missing is context. Example, if your chances of surviving Covid are 99+% because you're in the 18-40 age group and someone in the 65+ group has a 97% chance of surviving, the headline will read that the elderly are three times more likely to die from Covid (3 of 100 vs 1 of 100). So you write that deaths for the unvaccinated are 6 times more than the vaccinated...age group, other factors? And the big question that will never be answered because politics invaded Covid starting in March 2020 when the prior administration was labeled racist for saying it came from China, how many people are dying with Covid vs dying because of Covid? There is a 95, 97, 99% (whatever it is based on age group, etc) chance of survival using statistics exaggerated because of politics. We saw daily Covid death numbers throughout 2020 on every news broadcast and every newspaper but they're nowhere to be found today. Yet, more people have died "of Covid" under the current administration than the prior even with vaccines. Per a news story last week, California went from highest to lowest in Covid cases and Newsom should get all the credit. The same news source mentioned Florida showing extremely low cases but DeSantis doesn't deserve any credit. Politics have eliminated any chance of a consensus in precautions, in accurate numbers and any approach to the next pandemic. Mask, no mask, physical distance 6 feet, no wait...3 feet, no...12 feet, protest without a mask if your cause fits a certain agenda, spreads via surface contact, doesn't spread via surface contact, gator is worse, gator is better, gator is the same as a mask, cloth masks don't work unless you wear two, must wear N95, cloth masks are fine, remain at home unless you host a wedding at your house and fly to Mexico for a party, must wear a mask standing at a bar but if you sit you can take it off, wear a mask outdoors, wear a mask if you are unvaccinated, get vaccinated so you don't have to wear a mask, wear a mask even if you're vaccinated, wear a mask indoors unless you "feel the spirit" of the music, wear a mask unless you spend $500 a plate at a fancy restaurant...Huh?

Part of your talking should involve setting rules and limits, and they should always be talked about OUTSIDE of a sexual situation. Keeping in mind, once you set them, they can always be modified later. When we first started, we had a 'no kissing' rule (as lots of others have had as well). After our first experience, we quickly realized that our 'no kissing' rule (which we both felt strongly about before our first experience) was silly and we set it aside. Still, we THOUGHT it was important before we realized it wasn't.Set your rules and limits and stick to them since you can always change them later when you have a chance to talk about what happened. It takes the "I wanted to grab his crotch so bad but I backed off" out of the equation since you already know if it is okay or not.

Hi out there. I’m married and in an evolving relationship. Last year I did a burlesque photo shoot for him as a gift. He loved the way it turned out but asked if I’d be willing to do something more risqué in the future. I got a reference from the original photographer (female) and told my husband the new photographer would be a male. Being the protective husband he is we both requested a meeting over a cup of coffee. We met which was great and made things all the more comfortable. I loved what I saw from his book and my husband did as well. We had the shoot and the pictures came out great. He got really turned on by knowing another guy was doing the pictures. I was shocked. I asked him if he’d consider doing a couples shoot with me and he said he’d try but was reluctant. Pretty soon after he agreed and we were off again. Prior to the shoot my husband and the photographer talked about his career. My husband, who’s faithful, shocked me a bit with his envy and open talk about what the photographer experienced. I’m extremely open and joined in the conversation. Both of us felt like we were conversing with someone we really liked and knew a lot longer than we actually did. Unfortunately my husband had difficulties getting hard which is completely out of the ordinary. The photographer said it happened a lot and just to relax. Surprisingly at my husband's request he asked for me to do a POV shoot the photographer showed us in his book. Basically it’s the photographer including himself in various ways while taking the pictures. As we started taking the pictures I liked being touched by the photographer even though it wasn’t active foreplay or sex. It really was strictly for the pictures themselves. During the pictures my husband quickly got hard and watched. Eventually the photographer asked him if he was going to get involved. The rest of the shoot went as we planned. Afterwards we all sat around and talked and went through the pictures. Some time passed again and we talked a lot about the fun we had with it. My husband admitted he liked watching the photographer touch me and if not for that he may have been to nervous to get hard. I really want this to develop further but I’m apprehensive because it’s a major change in life obviously. I’m also not sure about how I feel about seeing him with someone else. When I say I’m not sure I mean most likely not. I don’t even really think he wants to. I almost feel like if I bring that up it will be too much too fast. Multiple times when having sex we’ve dirty talked about me doing another shoot and giving myself up. I’d feel more comfortable to actually do it than talk about it. I feel like my husband has opened a door that I want to walk into. Am I reading it wrong? Is it best for me to just set something else up and let it work itself the way it will? Based on our interactions I have no doubt the photographer would be into it also. Would I be going to far given our relationship if I reached out to the him and told him how I feel, how my husband feels, and confirm he’d say yes?

To emphasize the point, under the heading of "anything you can do to stand out" - your dick will not make you stand out. No matter how impressive you think your dick is (or how impressive your dick might actually be), your dick will not make you stand out, Neither will your sexual stamina nor your talents at cunnilingus. Guys with self proclaimed superhuman stamina, and horse-cocks, who love to eat pussy are, in fact, common as dirt on most swinger sites... and, as enhancer says, those traits will get you ignored and probably blocked. You want to stand out, talk about your love of jazz or your skill at dancing, post pictures of your nice coat and tie, or your best cowboy hat (or you best coat and tie with a cowboy hat while jazz dancing). These things will make you stand out from the crowd of dicks.

All very interesting advice and much more in detail than I had considered. So we reached out to the photographer and met for a drink. I was more than a little taken aback by his initial response which was no. My heart sunk a little until he provided his explanation. He explained there’s a line which has been drawn by he and his wife and that anything beyond artistic application is not allowed. Interestingly though we had a long and productive conversation about the subject. The conversation led to a couple he’s also friends with and who have been swinging for several years. Although well to do professionals, they sometimes take part as help for shoots he does with other women and couples. I was a little nervous once he presented it as a possible option but liked 😍🤤 what I saw. Yesterday we ended up meeting the couple for a drink as well and it went great. They are definitely a couple we can get along with. We made it clear with each other we’d just go to get a feel for them and not get anywhere close to anything sexual which we both accomplished and failed at. We got along so well that it got very flirtatious not only because our attraction physically but also because they seem to be great people. Eventually we made out with the other’s partner and ended going home and having the best sex with each other. It may be a little quick but we’re getting together tonight and going to a small concert at a great venue together with them and one of their couple friends. Fingers crossed I’m so excited!

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I once walked in on my wife entertaining a roomful of men at a house party. To the best of my vision in a dark room, one man was in her vaginally, another man was working on her orally, she was performing oral sex on a third guy and two men were waiting in the on deck circle. A male friend standing next to me as we walked into the room said don’t interrupt her, she’s having fun. I didn’t interrupt her, but I was impressed! I tease her with John Mayer’s description of Jessica Simpson: sexual napalm.

Depends on several factors. If you are a woman, you should have little problem finding a couple you like and on your own terms. If you are on the young and attractive side, you can make pretty much any demands that you want. If you are a guy, you are one of many and will have to try longer and harder, keeping yourself in shape and well groomed. You may have better luck finding a woman with the same mindset where you both enjoy each other's company and can swing together as a couple. In any event, be kind and generous, looking out for other people's pleasure before your own. Good luck and keep us updated.

This board is not really the place for hooking up (Although I'm sure that has happened here). You might want to start with one of the lifestyle websites like swinglifestyle or kasidie, or even better just visit a swing club in your area and check it out.

The stats just don't support your conclusion nor is it particularly useful. The idea that us horrible anti vaxx people are hurting the rest of society is simply a trumped up concept to get people like yourself to pressure people like me to get vaccinated. It's no different than trying to force people to get vaxxed or lose their job. I could make the same ridiculous argument blaming people that don't take care of themselves for filling up ICU's due to heart attack, cancer, diabetes.

Thank you for the responses everyone! We were in the track for opening up more and more over the past while. This seemed to accelerate it a bit. I was shocked when he was ok with a male photographer and even more shocked when he watched me do the pov. It tuned me on having him watch me and watching him play with himself. The pov wasn’t anything too involved. He would use a hand or a finger or two to touch or spread. He pinched and grabbed my boobs, spread my lips apart, rubbed my asshole, and stuck his fingers in my mouth. The entire time I really wanted him to go further or have my husband encourage him to go further. Having both of them touch me indescribable. At one point I almost pushed the limits myself as I had my arm wrapped around his groin area. I wanted to grab his crotch so bad but I backed off.

First thing is to make sure your relationship is rock solid with an abundance of love, trust and communication. The thing that overcomes jealousy is trust. Trust comes from great communication. Great communication increases the love. More love leads to better trust (it's a horrible upwards spiral ). Once you are here then talk to him...about everything but especially his and your fantasies. See where that leads and it sounds like it will lead where you are thinking about going. Take your time, but once you both know that you are (possibly) on the same path, the walk together becomes easier. Let us know how things are going.

Sounds like there is an opening there to me. I think it's worth a conversation between the two of you. How far did it actually go with the photographer? One of my buddies is into photography and film and makes great videos with my GF either with him and her or her with other men. I love watching the videos and pictures or being there as they are being filmed and helping with the filming but I can certainly understand how someone gets stage fright. I have had several MFM threesomes with my buddy and my GF without the cameras but when the cameras come in I don't really like to be front and center. My GF loves being filmed and having pictures taken so I've taken the edge off in the past with alcohol and have done it but it's not necessarily easy for everyone and I can see how it can affect one's performance. The fact that it took another man touching you to get your husband to overcome that signals that it might be worth further exploring.

You could take the next step and go to a swingers’ meet and greet. They are often held in bars, clubs and restaurants and everyone is dressed. It’s (usually) fun to talk to the other nuts and sluts and you certainly do not have to go further sexually, but you will have a better idea if you want to sexually open your relationship. If you don’t want to swing, that’s fine. But you may find such an evening a turn on for the two of you. The listings are on swingers’ websites like SLS.

I love JamesCurious approach of writing using doubles. I don't know if it will go beyond the fantasies but it sounds like you have opened the door to having more fun between the two of you in the meantime.

Hello all, and greetings from Australia. It was this thread that brought me to this site and inspired me to join. This is my first post, so forgive my newness to all of this. I am not in the lifestyle, and not likely to be so in the immediate future, due to the fact that my wife is not thinking this way – at least not overtly. We are both Christians, active in our mainstream church. My wife teaches at a Christian school. I am a nurse in the local emergency room (night shift for over 10years). She is 50, I am 49. She is the only woman I have ever “known” and I love her beyond words. Sex has been okay through the years, and has been, to the most part, her lying back and leaving me to the hard work. There have been times when she’s been more of an active participant, and more so in the last few years, but mostly its missionary and get it over with. I’ve tried lots of things and usually they fall flat. She has a lot of body hangups. She’s not perfect, neither am I. She won’t get naked with me unless the light is out (but lately we’ve had a little electronic candle and I can see a little bit more now). She’s shy and won’t let me watch her blow me – even though I’ve asked to let me. I think it’s all part of the trust thing. I am a very sexual person, and my main outlet has been a (not so) secret porn habit that my wife hated and caused some major trust issues. That’s over and done now, but I guess the mistrust remains (she tells me different, but I can’t help feeling it between us). She’s got her very mainstream views on marriage, and I have had the same forever, but lately I’ve been wondering. And then there was a “thing” that I had for one of my (younger) colleagues that didn’t lead to cheating (but lusting is the same thing, right?). I still loved my wife, but also was feeling love for this other woman. It was crazy and confusing. But it was never going to lead to anything anyway, so I let it go. How did I get to this point? We were going on a cruise in December, and I read somewhere that some people decide to do things (ie sexual) that they wouldn’t do at home – you know, with people that they would never see again. We we met a nice young couple who seemed interested in us, and I started wondering. She was little and cute and happy. He was tall and strong and handsome. I imagined that there could be something between us all. We had a drink and a nice dinner and a lot of laughs, but that was it. My wife gets tired early and gets “over people” and so we retired to our cabin and only saw them sporadically after that. On out last night I we looking for them and they were sitting playing card games up in the near deserted kids-free area. I’d like to think that maybe they were waiting for us to find them. We exchanged numbers, handshakes and hugs. Later messages and facebook posts were exchanged enthusiastically. I offered a bed if they visited. Then I thought, am I a closet swinger? Here I was imagining the four of us together, maybe twice a year, for a little fun between the sheets. And how does all of that fit in with my faith? My wife is now concerned, because I’m reading books, trying to work out what the Bible says (and doesn’t say) out sex. She’s even used the word “heretic”, so I guess at some point I’m going to be burned at the stake! But then, little things she’s said… she wonders what it would be like have two of me in bed with her (weird?) and gave me a little raise of the brows when she suggested it… she told me that she had been “unfaithful in her mind” when I told her I’d stopped looking at porn (now I want to know details!)… she said that she had considered being a lesbian at one point because men are pigs. Once she told me she had a desire for me to cum on her tits, which I did enthusiastically and I await other little requests. I write novels, and so I employed my skills at writing a little fantasy – a little erotica. In the scenario, there are two of her and one of me, a nice threesome that involves a little girl-girl touching and ends with my cum on both their tits. Standard stuff, I guess. She smacked my arse, told me I was a naughty boy for writing it. My next story is MFM with two of me, and then a foursome the configuration I think you can guess. As weird as doubles are, it’s something she’s thought about that is outside then box, and dammit, I’m running with it. And maybe it will get her thinking beyond that. So, I’m interested in how people of faith made the transition into this way of thinking. What was the process? Who had the first inklings? What are your stories? I know I am a long way from where you guys are. There are so many barriers ahead. I see that trust is a big thing and I doubt my wife’s trust in me, but I can see she’s starting to have the same feelings as me (at least I hope). I will talk to her about all of this when I’m sure where my head and my heart is, and when I get the courage. Sorry this is so long.

My fairly strict, very old-fashioned Catholic upbringing, especially the attitude towards women, made me quietly rebellious, particularly about sex. But as the quote says, "I thank God I was raised Catholic, so sex will always be dirty."

Over the centuries the Christian church , both denominational and non-denominational, is a business. Avery big business. The product they sell is salvation. Their marketing is based on the tried and true reward and fear concepts used by so many successful businesses. To get buy in by their customers they establish rues which are aimed at controlling the customer. The price they charge is based on customer income and not their cost of goods. Since males have historically controlled the income, males have been treated better than females. Not to mention males set up the rules. The church's attitude about sex is just part of these controlling rules. Setting aside the "Church", what does it mean to be a Christian? I believe there are a few simple rules in the teaching of Jesus. In terms of human interaction, the primary one we know as the Golden Rule - Do unto others as you would have them do to you. The LS conforms to this rule. In my opinion there is nothing unchristian in practicing the Lifestyle.

Very much so. At church pretty much every Sunday when we aren't out of town at a club or party, about once a month.

And not the good kind of bondage...

Well, let's also not forget the influence of Augustine of Hippo, a notorious sex fiend by his own accounts (read his Confessions) who was also instrumental in enshrining the whole "sex is evil" into Christian dogma, simply because he couldn't keep it in his pants and felt guilty about it. Paul and Augustine, two of the top historical figures I would very like to punch in the face.

It's basically right on point, as Alura mentions. The gap in time between the Old Testament and the New Testament is several thousand years, and raising legitimate offspring with a single official wife in the Hellenic tradition was the ambient social norm in the time of Jesus - although the use of female slaves and the keeping of concubines was routine. The Church went on to officially tolerate wife-snatching, sex slavery, and concubinage until well into the Middle Ages. Even then, people scoffed.

When the Roman Emperor Constantine brought the Council of Niacea together in 325AD with the purpose of assembling a book (The Bible) for the Christian Church, which he had legalized, he wanted the new religion's mores to be close enough to the Roman belief system it was replacing that the Romans would readily accept it. Women in the Roman Empire were one step above slaves in status. They sat in the upper tiers of the Coliseum while men sat in the lower ones where the view was better. There were many other ways women were "kept in line." Constantine wanted to keep it that way, so he included the Epistles of Saul of Tarsus while not including The Gospel of Mary Magdalene. Jesus gave women a high standing in his movement while Constantine wanted to suppress such ideas. It was at this point, in my opinion, that the Christian Church departed from the teachings of The Man From Galilee.

There have been several threads on this in the past: https://www.swingersboard.com/forums/topic/57341-religion-and-swinging/ https://www.swingersboard.com/forums/topic/40150-christian-swingers/ https://www.swingersboard.com/forums/topic/54819-the-bible-interpreting-it-and-swinging/ There are several more but these are ones that I recall from fairly recent times. Heck, if you do any research about the 'lost books of the Bible' you will find out that there are dozens of books that have been included and excluded from the Bible over time. One other site that I have kept bookmarked is this: Monogamy Isn't Biblical, It's Roman I always wondered why the Old Testament had men marrying multiple wives and then it just stopped in the New Testament. This explains a lot of the why. Bottom line is we both believe in God and are religious, but we also believe that whatever anyone else believes in, as long as it makes them a better person and doesn't hurt others, is a good thing and should be allowed and encouraged. I would hate to be in front of the gates of heaven only to see Buddha or Allah or The Great Spirit was the 'right' God and have Him tell us 'you picked the wrong God...sorry, you are out'. I believe that this won't happen, but at the same time believe that God wouldn't be so religious exclusive (only one 'right' religion and everyone else goes to Hell). Most organized religion teaches 'be a good person and be nice to everyone else'...we do our best to adhere to this although we identify ourselves as Christian. Swinging is something that we do TOGETHER in the light, not behind the back of our SO in the dark. It doesn't 'hurt' either one of us and we do our best not to allow it to hurt anyone else. We don't see where it goes against our 'makes them a better person and doesn't hurt others' belief so we don't have a conflict or issue with the two. We try, as instructed by the Bible, not to judge others and keep our stone casting in check. Sorry, but I was brought up in a strict religious household and I have spent a great deal of time wrestling with this subject. I'll just shut up now...for a few minutes at least.

I think this is a topic worth talking about. My last play session on Thursday I was super hard, my wife was a little dry on one side when she started a reverse cowgirl on me. Which tore the skin on the side of my cock. About a half inch gash. It's happened before but this one was bad. I kept going and got sucked off to completion by the other wife before the night ended. Now a few days later my cock looks terrible. Big gash in the side that hurts and is slowly healing. Which means no play this weekend....dang it. I told the other wife about it yesterday, she wasn't bothered by the prospect of my cock having a wound on it, which is cool but I'm gonna have to not get sucked off or fuck anyone. I guess it's fingers and tongue this weekend. Anyone else get an injury that had them out of commission? Anyone get a similar injury to mine?