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I want to express my deepest thanks to everyone that has engaged in this conversation. It is not very exciting, certainly not about penis size, gang bangs etc. But it has been very useful for me to hear others opinions and data points. Thank you all for participating. I know it's difficult. S

Welcome to the Swingers Board, you've found the right place to get answers to your questions! Nothing wrong with taking it slow. One of the things you'll read here a lot is "go at the pace of the slowest partner." Along with that though is the #1 thing you're read here in some form or another and that is Communication. There must be good communication all the way around, not just between you and your boyfriend, but also between you and potential playmates, and him and potential playmates. Good communication where everyone knows what to expect will head off 99% of any potential problems with crossed boundaries, broken rules, disappointment, etc. Finding people is always tough. It takes work and patience! But when the search pays off, it can be awesome. Online vs clubs is sort of a personal preference. Some people just aren't into the club scene and like the slower pace of finding someone online and then feeling them out during one or more meets for drinks or whatever. If you have a certain scenario in mind, and it sounds like you do, then communicating that in a club hookup type situation and everyone talking it through and getting comfortable might be a little more difficult than the slower pace of meeting someone online. Without a doubt though, one night at a club will put you in contact with more potential playmates than months of searching online and meeting up to feel each other out. Some people ask for STD test results, but it's a small percentage. For one thing, that only tells you what things were the day of the test, not what things are now. Like most things in life, there is always an element of risk, and you just have to evaluate where your risk tolerance line is. Jealousy is best dealt with through communication. If there is good communication, there should be trust, and trust is the antidote to jealousy.

If either of our (adult) children were to come and ask, we would tell them the truth...but to volunteer that information, especially when you are 16, is taking being honest with your children to new levels. I can only assume that they have always been open about everything with you (?). That's impressive that you all feel this comfortable with each other. You go girl!

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A series of event happen before my parents came out and told me about there lifestyle to me. Soon after my 16 B-Day, me and my BFF started to fool around and "play". She was the first girl I "played" with. For a good month and a half, I lied to my parents about myself and that, that I like girls as well , not knowing how they would reacted. One day my parents caught us "going at it". My parents were caught off guard by it. Soon after that, my parents and and the parents of my BFF wanted to have a "talk" with us about what happen. My parents and that wanted to know how long that I been into girls and that, Is it just a phase or are you into girls. At one point I ask them is it ok to like both guys and girls ? Soon after that question was ask, my parents told me that I was old enough to know there secret, and I rest is history .

My husband was the one who suggested it . I was very against it at first but now I'm his slut and love it

From you study. "Overall, direct evidence of the efficacy of mask use is supportive, but inconclusive. Since there are no RCTs, only one observational trial, and unclear evidence from other respiratory illnesses, we will need to look at a wider body of evidence." This is the big issue. We are not creating policy based on data and good scientific evidence, but rather hypotheses, projections and wishful thinking. If we are going to inject children with an unproven chemical that we now know, although many of us knew this months ago, will not stop the spread of the virus, will not infer long lasting immunity, does not protect a person from getting sick and has a potential for greater harm we better have specific, repeatable, solid evidence of its safety and effectiveness. Opps. There is this issue about vaccines reducing the spread. There is no evidence nor do the vaccine makers claim that vaccination will reduce the spread. They claimed that the 'vaccine' would reduce server illness and death. That's it. But America somehow believes that vaccines reduce spread. To the point of calling unvaccinated neighbors killers. This was part of the messaging but not part of the science of the rollout. This was clearly manipulation designed to divide people into two camps and pit them against each other to increase vaccination rates while suppressing any discussion of treatment that wasn't a 'vaccine'. I wonder how many healthy people under the age of 50 would have gotten the vaccine had they known that it would not prevent illness or spread. If the messaging had simple said: If you get COVID those that are vaccinates may experience reduced symptoms. The limited studies available have also shown that those who are vaccinated may reduce the possibility of death. People age 65 plus with comorbidities are at the most risk of server illness and death. We know that the total death rate is 1-2% and is highly skewed to those age 65 plus. As of November 10 2021, of the 756,962 total deaths 707,430 deaths are attributed to those ages 50 plus. Which means that based on the number of cases in those 49 years old and younger ( approximately 25,630,000 or 67% of all cases) the chances of death are .15% or to put it another way, there is a 99.9984% survival rate for people under the age of 50 years old not accounting for medial history or possible comorbidity. We do not expect case counts to be directly affected by vaccination, although there are folks that hypothesize there may be a benefit. We know this is a highly communicable virus, but even large case counts don't don't translate into high death rates for healthy individuals under the age of 50. Now go get your shots, prepare to get boosters for the rest of your life and don't forget your children. after all why shouldn't they be injected with an experimental drug that to this day we don't know all the ingredients. What i hope everyone realizes whether they are pro vaccine or not is that social media, highly concentrated print and conventional media when combined with a dismissive attitude to those that don't agree can have a massive impact on policy and behavior. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-underestimate-covid-risks-while-democrats-exaggerate-them/ar-BB1eJuQd And there is literally massive amounts of mis-information being published, some of it is caught and corrected, lots not. https://news.yahoo.com/york-times-retracts-massive-exaggeration-163906675.html Best to all, stay healthy and as I've said before don't force your opinions or medical treatments on others and we'll all get along just fine. S

Come on, you are using math and science for guidance? Just ask Joe Rogan what to do.

I don’t understand the hatred by people for the covid vax. I am sure these people are vaccinated for polio, measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc. Well, I guess I do understand.

On the point about the division that exists in the US, let's face facts: It is entirely intentional. Straight out of the gates, politics invaded every aspect of the COVID-19 pandemic. The political opposition to the former organization demonized every single move it made, no matter the consequences, right up to and including the introduction of the vaccine. As I've mentioned previously, it is the very height of hypocrisy for the current administration to admonish and demonize people for failing to get vaccinated when they were the very ones fomenting distrust in the vaccine right from the beginning--because it suited their political objectives. They never gave a single thought about the long-term consequences of those actions. They just wanted the Orange Haired Ogre gone and they didn't care how they did it. They determined the pandemic could be used as a wedge issue, and they weaponized it. The vaccine mandates are obviously just another political weapon. If the goal of the administration was actually to win over the hearts and minds of the people sitting on the fence about the vaccine, "Do it! Or else!" and threatening someone's livelihood would not be the logical tact. The current administration feels it serves their political objectives to create an "Us vs. Them" political dynamic; to paint "Us" as the intelligent, logical, science-based crowd, putting the so-called Common Good first, while painting "Them" as uneducated, knuckle-dragging, tin hat conspiracists, married to their sisters, who are existential threats to the Common Good. For instance, look at how they've attempted to demonize Florida Governor DeSantis for his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic? Never mind that Florida, the third largest state in the union, now enjoys the lowest over infection rate per capita. And, unlike California, Florida's economy is booming and people continue to move here in record numbers. Objectively speaking, Governor DeSantis probably managed the pandemic better than just about any other governor of any other major state in the union. In contrast, they heralded and lionized the (now-disgraced and former) New York Governor Cuomo, who, by any objective measure, managed his state into an economic and healthcare catastrophe. We'll never know the full extent of his mis-management because nobody in this current administration, or the main stream media, has any interest in reporting on it. Why? It doesn't serve their political objectives: Blue states = Good; Red states = Bad. Us vs. Them. Regarding the medical risks inherent to swinging, not all risks are the same. Some risks are acceptable; others are not. Vaginosis and chlamydia won't kill you and are usually cleared up with a couple of rounds of antibiotics and typically have no long-term side effects. Other diseases, like hepatitis and HIV, are far more serious with potentially long-lasting, life altering, sometimes life ending, results. We've always been people who played with a very purposeful eye towards reducing the odds of a catastrophic medical problem. Most serious risks can be mitigated by just following some fairly sensible precautions. Testing is one. Playing within a closed circle is another. Following a hard rule regarding condoms is a third. However, most sexually transmitted diseases are contact diseases. COVID-19 is not a contact disease. It is spreads through aerosolized particulates, just like influenza and the common cold. This is going to make mitigating it far more difficult. And, just because COVID-19 was no big deal to one person, doesn't mean it won't be a big deal to someone else. I had a 51 year-old friend, fully vaccinated, and in otherwise excellent health (an avid runner) pass away from COVID-19, leaving behind a wife and two kids.

I do think covid has made swingers less carefree about STDs and transmissible diseases. We are older, self-admittedly uber cautious. We have parents with health problems who are 97, 89 and 88. We don’t want to knock them out.

Some people just want to be contrary. Only in America is a life saving vaccine a bad thing.

It's not experimental.

One thing I realized, when I saw how many swingers smoked, was that ours is not a population that pays a whole lot of attention to health warnings (like the health warnings recommending against having anonymous sex with strangers in the world where AIDS is still a thing).

You may not care if you die but I care that you'll likely hurt or kill a whole bunch of other people in process. That you obviously don't care about hurting or killing those other people tells me everything I need to know about you.

Yes vaccinated people catch the delta variant still! The vaccinated people for the most part are not the ones getting sick and being hospitalized further putting a burden on the health care system. Which then in turn has put all the people waiting for serious surgeries on hold due to the burden. Due to the high number of people in the hospital sick with Covid ( mostly the unvaccinated) the government then puts more restrictions on everyone’s day to day life to try and curb it. People have the right to do whatever they want in regards to Covid! Just like people have the right to decide if they want them in their business, house or social life. If people don’t want to try to be part of the solution then we want no part of them.

I just WISH that we would have a high school reunion so that the opportunity could at least be there. Coming from a VERY SMALL high school, it just doesn't seem to happen. I even tried to suggest that we combine several years into one bigger reunion (even as many as 5 years into one) but it just never got any traction. Tough when your graduating class was 52 people (hey, I graduated in the top 50 of my class!). 40th has already passed...

Hey all, I just wanted to update you all. We went ahead and tried it. At first it was awesome, she loved it and so did he. As eddiem said it was SO damn erotic. It happened when we were at a lake party. They were getting a little handsy with each other, so i told them to get a room. A short time after, my buddy comes up to me with a raging hard on asking if I care if he spends some time alone with my wife. I look at her as she smirks and walks past both of us teasing as she walks by. He grabs her butt as they head into the house. I follow in shortly after since she likes when I watch. I sneak into the room as they're making out, his hands slowly trace my wife's curves making his way to the bikini top straps. I feel myself getting harder as the top falls off and his hands touch her breasts. She moans softly as she goes to her knees pulling his suit down with her, revealing his hard cock. She smiles at him as she cups his balls and licks her way up his shaft to the head. I watch his cock disappear into her throat as he thrusts into her mouth. This goes on for a few minutes until he pulls his cock out out of her mouth, grabs her hips, spins her then bends her over and rips off her bottoms. He puts on a condom and teases her clit with his cock. I hear her moan as he slowly splits her pussy lips and enters her, stretching her out. I pull my dick out and start stroking it as he increases speed and thrusts into her. They switch up position and she climbs onto his cock, slowly sliding down his shaft. She quickly climaxes on his cock yellinG his name as she orgasms. She quickly pulls off him, yanks the condom off and goes back to riding him. She rides him faster and faster, until I hear him say to her I'm getting close, oh god I'm getting close, FUUUUUUUCK!!! I watch his balls thrust all his cum deep into her pussy. I then nut massively as i watch her climb off of him. It was absolutely amazing and we've done it a couple of times more since! Best fantasy ever.

Now, this is interesting....because Jay says that it is SO erotic to watch me masturbate! I'm like ewwwwww lol. Give me your opinion on this, I just didn't think there was much to see lol. Just me, my hand and Tony Stewart lol.