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Next time, try this … “We can explain it to you, but we can’t understand it for you!” ;-D

I really hate it when you get a request to see your private galleries without even saying hi first. Seems only polite.

One of the best things about LS couples is that they grasp the importance of clear and open communication. The standards discussed here are simply that much higher than we ever see most vanilla couples of our ken. Much better to hold to high communication standards and acknowledge when one falters than to ignore the need and benefit of those standards.

We have received a few PMs asking how things turned out last weekend. We did visit our friends, did discuss options both privately and with our friends which led Debbie and I to decide not to join our friends as swingers. We are still leaving future options open as we figure some of the opinions other posters offered and figuring out our own feelings. Thank you to those who have replied to our first post.

Yoga pants are one of the best inventions ever! That is pretty much all the missus wears around the house and it drives me crazy in a good way.

Guadalajara? When I was there many years ago it felt like such a nice and peaceful place. If I remember correctly there is (or was) a large American retirement community there. How are they getting along? As a now distant observer (we've just escaped China and are in transit to an island in the Philippines) it seems like so many great places are no longer fit to live in or visit. Many of my old hometowns in California fit this description and they are far from the worst in the USA. Hope some sanity and rule of law can return to the world soon.

You also have Eros and Escape in Cleveland. We were at escape before nice club. Has sex swing first time to try that. Also bodyshop in Canton. Was there another nice club.

The shooting happened shortly after we came back from Tulum, Mexico and we had actually visited 5th Ave. Where the shooting took place. 5th Ave was the only place we visited that was off the resort and not a planned excursion. From what I have read, the shooting took place between 2 cartel but tourists were caught in the crossfire and 2 died. I will say that our entire stay in Mexico, we never felt unsafe BUT we also planned ahead and communicated with resort staff on where to go and not go, we were back before dark and had the resort arrange transportation. Tulum is absolutely beautiful and amazing and we can not wait to go again. With all the cartel talk, we probably won't venture off the resort again until things cool down. I do know everywhere we went there were HEAVILY armed Police and Federali's just about everywhere, excursions and all. I'm talking AK-47, 50 cals, body armor, humvees, dogs, etc. When we landed in Mexico city, where we caught a connecting flight to Cancun, we were tod by a local not to leave the airport because it was not safe for gringos. 5th Ave was an amazing place full of shops, music and food and beauty. It's a shame what the cartel are doing.

Not that many active users here these days. Only actually been to Club 101 in Dayton. http://club101dayton.net/home.php It's a large standalone house in suburbia that has been entirely converted to a club. Though as you can see in pictures it's got a 70's porn set atmosphere with the dated interior. We've had some fun there though we haven't been there in years since we moved away. Now that we're back in SW Ohio we plan to check out some of the others when we get back into it. Some that we've heard good things about: Ohanas - Columbus - https://www.ohanas.club Princeton - Columbus - https://clubprinceton.com/ SinDay - Middletown - https://members.clubsinday.com/sessions/new Club440(still closed due to covid) - Cincinnati - https://club440online.com/sessions/new Several more out there beyond those. Ohio seems to have a much higher swing club per capita ratio than any other place I've lived. No insight on what's going on in the NW though, sorry.

Every post on here leads to going forward or bad feelings and then your posts is a refreshing change, you talked it out. If swinging is for you more opportunities will be there. I had so many thoughts racing in my head before going forward, the pressure came from my wife and friends that were very accessible living not far from us. Enjoy your conversations at home, the thought of swinging seems to already started sexy talk for you.

It is great to hear that you two are really thinking things through on what you do or do not want to try! Regardless I am sure that it has opened up your communication with each other in a positive way and if nothing else that is only a plus. Keep using this site as a source while you guys think things through. Lots of different opinions with lots of different perspectives which is a good thing, because everybody’s journey is their own. Find whichever one works best for you two and don’t settle for less.

Hi team, My husband and I have been swinging for over 10 years now. We both enjoy it a lot and we learned so much from it. But... if course there's a but, otherwise why would I write here:) Sometimes I feel pressured into it. And I hate it. And I don't know how to keep having this conversation with my husband. I constantly feel like I would disappoint 3 people if I dont participate. And my husband and I kept having this conversation that I hate expectations on the night. It just kills my mood. And he gets all excited and asks if I'm excited and that makes me feel like I have to "deliver". And I just like to go with a flow. When I explain how I feel, he says it's all in my head. That yes he's disappointed, but it's up to me. And I feel like it's a confusing message. "Yes I'm disappointed, but you have to deal with it and I'm not forcing anything." I find it very frustrating. We are locked in our own feelings that might harbor resentment. I'll give you an example. We were setting up a date to meet a new couple on Friday. They kinda flaked on us. So hubby suggested if they don't come do we want to meet a couple we know already. At the time I'm getting our kid ready for school and I've got a job interviews today and tomorrow. I honestly answer that I'm not in the right space of mind right now, I didn't give it any thoughts yet and frankly don't really care right now. After everything is sorted i text saying yes, I thought about and let's meet with the other couple. The other couple texts us saying they are keen and he's got viagra (cause he needs it sometimes). Hubby says did you see the texts, are you excited. I explain that it's putting expectations again. Then he says that I should've stopped it before it because a big thing and the other guy got viagra. How was I supposed to know he had that in mind? Why is it my responsibility to manage expectations? I was just thinking let's have drinks and see how the night go. And all of the sudden I'm the one who gave an impression it's going to be something big. Please don't get me wrong. I do love swinging. And I'm having fun, and I think I marriage is so much stronger because of it. But I just wish we had a better way to communicate. Is it me? Is it all in my head? Does anyone else have the same issues or have suggestions how to deal with it? Thanks:)

Yep. My favorite was when someone sent us a message that hit upon every single thing that our profile says we aren't interested in (i.e girl-girl, etc). Feeling nice, replied with a brief but polite "Thanks for the interest, but we aren't compatible" type reply. A month later, another message, again hitting on every single thing our profile says we aren't interested in. Feeling less nice, started to type out another more lengthy less polite reply, and then halfway through just said awww, the hell with it, waste of time trying to give the truly clueless a clue.

We've not been to the resorts but would like to some day. Sadly, these issues are a big part of what has kept us away. Hopefully better days ahead and that will change sometime. I never give much thought to gangster on gangster crime. It's always been with us and always will be. Prohibition-era Chicago wasn't exactly a safe place either depending on what path in life you had chosen. When it starts spilling over to "civilians" though, I prefer to just keep a safe distance away. To be fair, Mexico doesn't have a lock on that. I've heard the same thing from people about resorts that aren't in Mexico too. Once you are on the resort you feel pretty much safe, the coming and going not so much.