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I was right there with you until the sentence above. This is not true. As I wrote in a different thread, cheating is not a victimless pursuit. That's why it is called cheating. There are other human being(s) harmed, knowingly or unknowingly, and his/her feelings matter, too. The OP admits this behavior is not consistent with his moral compass. For this reason, he should discuss this immediately with his girlfriend and explain they need to tighten down the rules of the game. Playing solo does not equate to having illicit affairs with people in other relationships. Lastly, it appears to me there is quite a bit more to the story. A romp in the sack here and there is one thing. But spending an entire day together once every week? That doesn't pass the sniff test. There's more happening between these two than simply sex.

Our vows were pretty much traditional. We do not believe we have broken them. You see it otherwise. That comes because we see the meaning in different ways. You may see the 'Forsaking all others ' part as related to an act.(sex). You are not alone in this perspective. We see it as always having the others interests at heart before all others including ourselves. Consider two couples : The first remain totally sexually faithful, but get distracted by career, religious fanaticism, greed, to the point that the "Us" is subservient. The second are swingers but the "Us" is always in the forefront in all areas. Which is remaining faithful? The definition of terms is important in this part of the discussion.

For the record, I've never understood that vow to mean that, even in a vanilla context, although I've never deeply researched it. My understanding is that it's a vow to practice self-sacrificial love toward your spouse to the exclusion of all others, even if you might wish to do otherwise. It isn't just about sex, but about extended family conflict, job duties, and more. The strength of the marital bond is to be placed above all other things in this world. This isn't meant to cast doubt on conventional interpretations of fornication and adultery, nor is it meant to be a legalistic nuance. Just to point out that I think most people on this forum take their partner's welfare very seriously and are quite happy to sacrifice swinging relationships at the first sign it's not enjoyable to their spouse, which is both the spirit and the letter of the vow as I've always understood it.

I'm not the only person thinking about "Highlander", am I?

It seems that the OP does not care to make the distinction between ethical an not ethical nonmonogamy. We fall into the swinger = ethical camp.

You could go to a hotel party with low expectations and have a fun, party time. Most hotel parties we went to were glorified pajama parties. The women strutted around in negligees, the men over drank and conked out and nothing happened. You may be surprised and meet another couple where the husband wants to play and the other wife wants to watch.

That's what we've been doing up until this point. And it's always turned out well because we are super selective. They say that single males are a dime a dozen. If you are looking for a quality guy, I disagree. lol

Hey. We are in the same situation. I'm not bi and we only enjoy MFM. So, our solution is simple: no parties. Only private nights, that we organize ourselves, with a "happy winner" each time

Even if I'm no bi? And so therefore don't play with females?

There are 2 reasons why this will not happen 1. they are close friends 2. we both are pretty sure that his wife will not be willing or give permission, and we are not going to proceed with any couple unless they are both willing By the way, thanks for checking our pics out. My wife is "submissive" only on camera 😆

A couple where only the wife wants to play with others is essentially viewed the same as the highly desirable unicorn.

Cowgirl with me on the bottom worked very well for us. We started with me inside my wife and our friend just slid his penis inside with me. It was very easy to do. In fact the first time, my wife and I had no idea it was going to happen and all of a sudden he was in. While it was a surprise, it wasn't a shock since we have been doing MMF threesomes with him for many years and had tried all sorts of positions with him.

Cowgirl and reverse cowgirl are the easiest. If doing cowgirl, make sure you do the vaginal insertion first. If doing reverse cowgirl, it is much easier to do anal insertion first. I don't know whether size will matter, but for me anal is more a matter of girth than length. Guys who are really wide just aren't going in my butt. Although you didn't mention it, any anal play requires a good deal of preparation so that messy situations can be avoided. The best is to do an enema with an enema bag. At least two pints to a quart of water, just to be safe. Some people will do a quart-and-a-half to two quarts. The water should be approximately body temperature. Cool or cold water will cause cramping. Hold it in for 3 minutes in the "ass high, face down" position. After evacuation, make sure to wash thoroughly with a washcloth, soap and water or wet wipes. It's usually a good idea to loosen up with a buttplug too. I usually keep a buttplug in for about 15 minutes before anal sex.

1. The cowgirl and reverse cowgirl are the easiest for the logistics. It accomodates people of different heights better than standing positions. 2. Once the woman warms up, it probably won't make much difference who is sticking their cock where, unless one of them is quite large. 3. Inevitably, there will be incidental M/M contact. That doesn't make you gay. Remember, it's not gay if it's a three-way.

my wife and i tried double vaginal on our second threesome it was sheer magic for all of us the joy on my wifes face was fantastic and us guys didnt even think about the closeness of each over it was all about filling my wifes dream and we done that for sure

The guys tell me after the movement starts its all wet inside and the enjoyment is all mine .... getting the penetration of the 2nd penis is slow but then they get into their in and out rytum and I never move. One slips in and the other styas inside and in and out movement goes on and on slowly and fiannly if they can both control it they ejaculate at the same time...and wow there is plenty of warm sene going arouind.

Doulble Vaginal a Treat. 2 guys must really not have any hangups. Both guys need to be lubrcated and then one penetrated and the other waits till the 1st guy is allthe way in. The the fuckign rythum starts and go with it. The prize is both cumming at once and lots of semen. Ok one thing make sure the birth control works. Plenty of sperm here.

We agree!! As we tried to explain in another thread: If one guy lies on the bed, then the other lays the opposite direction with his legs over the top of the guy’s legs on the bottom then you end up with two cocks in the same place. The woman can slip them both in her pussy and ride away. If the guy on the bottom has the leg strength he can drive both cocks at once from below; we like this position, it works very well. This also works well for oral if your woman likes to suck two cocks at once!

OK. This is probably our favourite subject and evryone should have it on their to-do list. Once done, it will probably be on your to-do again and again and again list. Our method seems to differ from the majority here who have described it so we thought we'd try to make it as clear as possible. Get the guys to agree who's got the biggest (no cock-fights, now boys. It ain't important). J is smaller than Bud but when Bud asked him once if that bothered him he said "No. Not in the slightest. You're big but that don't make me small. I've never had any complaints and all I care about is that it measures from the tip to my balls. Perfect in fact - LOL)." A similar conversation was overheard once between a Prom Queen who floated around in danger of her two brain cells bumping into each other. "Don't you wish your legs were like mine?" she asked of a shorter but quick witted girl. "No way" she replied. "My legs may not reach to my armpits, but at least they reach down to the ground". Anyway: The guy with the longest lies on his back. The lady squats over him with her back to him and he enters her pussy. She settles onto it to take it as deep as possible. She opens her legs and puts her feet to either side of the guy beneath's knees. The second guy kneels down between both sets of legs and enters her from the front. The guy in front does the majority of the thrusting (and the work, I'm afraid) as if the bigger guy moves too much, it just pushes the smaller guy out again. Same goes for DP (Anal/Pussy) except when she squats, the guy underneath enters her butt instead of her pussy (the guy in the front still has to burn more calories again). What Bud Su and J like to do is enjoy a DV session and then J withdraws. Due to Bud being quite long, Su then turns herself around 180 degrees to face Bud without him leaving her pussy at all. Her butt is then in perfect position for J to enter her anally and carry on without any major position changes (although, you guesseed it, he still has to do the most thrusting).

Hi deeancat, Sorry missed your post at first. It is possibly Su's favourite experience that she repeats as often as we can. It is fun for all the parties if the guys are not homophobic at all which we aren't. Neither guy is gay bi or even curious but we can think of no way to replicate the stimulation to each orther's penis from the other's (or any other stimulation for that matter). DP anal and pussy comes close but is still light years away. Bud and Su have tried it alone with variously textured dildos but nothing substitutes for the uneven, throbbing, jerking, rubbing even bucking feeling of another guy's penis in the pussy at the same time. It would be interesting to hear the opinions of others who engage in DP Vaginal to see if their thoughts tally with our own or not. Maybe some have tried it and disliked the experience (doubt it though, somehow).

Su and Bud do DV almost every time we meet up. We find it best when Su sits on Bud in reverse cowgirl and J enters her from the front. What is the most important thing we discovered early on in any DP scenario is that if there is a significant size difference between the penis's (in our case over 2 and a half inches) it is almost impossible for the larger guy to enter last as it merely pushes and squeezes the smaller out again (jeez, it's awkward enough already to do). The bigger of the guys has to get settled in as deeply as possible first and then the smaller can enter as if it were just a tighter than average pussy. So if Bud wants to go pussy with J anal, Su lies ontop of Bud with him in her pussyfirst and same if Bud wants to go anal (Bud in deep first) and J pussy. As we've only swung with J, so far, the condom question hasn't risen (we don't use them) so can't comment if more awkward or risk of splitting etc. Hope that helps.

I have not read the others posts on this string completely, so this may have been written. Male one on his back, woman slides cock into vagina. Male two comes to her back, and slides cock into vagina. Movement is started by male two, and it is an incredible feeling. I enjoyed the penis to penis contract, which was quite sensual. All three of us had climaxes. Otto & Eileen Before we did this, it did not seem that a vagina would take to cocks. It can with no problem.

I have a porn video, it is made up of triple stuffing, yes you read it right, triple. One in the backdoor and two in the vagina. I watched it and still have a hard(excuse the pun) time believing it. It looked pretty cool until one of the scenes had Ron Jeremy in it. Mrs. Lol just looked at it for a minute and went...OMG, then walked away. Don't mean to throw this thread offtrack but when I read these posts I had a porno flashback. Mr LOL_OMG

Vaginal DP is something we have experimented with several times much to the delight of my wife. We have found the easiest is for her to get in the cowgirl position with one guy and lay on his chest with her back arched. The other guy gets behind her in the rear entry position. If the guys are comfortable with it the rear entry holds both cocks together with the longer one slightly in front of the other. He slowly inserts both cocks at the same time. Once both guys are completly inserted the rear entry starts to pump. Our last MFM was our first time with this guy. Since he is comfortably bi we were able to try a very unusual position (at least for us). At one point he and I were both laying on our backs on the bed with our hips touching and our heads towards the other's feet stroking each other while Angel watched. He shifted positions so that his legs were over mine and the undersides of our cocks were touching. Angel began to suck us both first one at a time then both together. Then she had an inspiration and decided to try a cowgirl DP. She managed to get both cocks fully inside and started to slowly rock her hips. She slowly picked up speed until she suddenly stood up soaking both of us.

Well to add my 2 cents on this, I have recently be inducted to the DP in the pussy club, also a cock in each of my southern orifices. We all LOVED it soooooo much and did the same postion explained so well in this thread. LOL I can't wait to do it again..... and again...... and again. LMAO I really hope though that I don't get so stretched out that when I fart there's an echo. LMFAO But I do suggest that if anyone wants to do it, then DO IT!!!!! Oh and we are accepting applications for single men or couples with bi friendly ladies to move in to satisfy my DP needs. LMAO

I(Male half of the package) had an ex g/f of mine that was quite fond of double vaginal. The position described above was by far and away the best for us. The man entering from behind should lube himself up and enter last and slowly. It can be a bit of a tight fit at first! She liked to be the one to move while we stayed mostly still so she could control the depth and speed. We did try a few other positions but unless you are all gymnasts or the guys have 15 inches, they just don't work! And yeah, the guys better not have any homophobic hang-ups either since you are sharing a space made for one! It's pretty intense though when you get it all worked out!

Ok...this is one of my favorite positions...yep skin junkie and like to be totally surrounded by hard male bodies. Have one man lie on his back with his legs together, straddle facing him and insert penis into vagina...man two then comes up from behind and places penis on top of other penis and inserts. Movement can be both at the same time or alternating with one going in while the other goes out, both are extremely enjoyable. It is best if the male who has the most experience is the one in back of you. There will be an awkward moment or two until all adjust, due to getting the right positioning but once you have it, it's WONDERFUL! Teresa

So after almost 2 years of my wife being in the lifestyle we ran across some bad experiences and more common than not couples where we aren't fully compatible. So we brought up the idea of solo play one evening and how it would work and if there were any "rules" other than communicating before hand. you know, the usual stuff that all normal couples discuss in the lifestyle. Well the next day my wife approaches me to tell me a few things. That she has a man that she is interested in playing with and that she has known him for over 10 years and before we met that they used to fuck regularly. She was single but he always had girlfriends that he could not stay faithful to. She had stayed in contact with him through social media and runs into him from time to time in public where he always asks if they are ever going to fuck again. She has always turned him down. This I know. But now that we have opened the door to solo play she would like to play with him because of familiarity and she feels safe. So after more discussion I agreed that it was okay. I would like to play solo as well but has not seemed to work out because the female either flakes out or doesn't believe that I have permission from the wife. The following week while she had the week off she texts me to say "He called me to see if I could come over is that alright?". I could not really refuse since I already signed off on the idea but did not expect it to happen so quickly. I feel like I had agreed to a situation where she wanted to see this man for a long time and it was just a matter getting me onboard or okay with it. They spent day together breakfast, then to his house until late in the afternoon. The idea of her being with someone else does not bother me. We've played numerous times with many couples. I have a few things that make me uneasy about this arrangement. I was first upset that it happened so quickly. I stated to her that I felt like she should have called me or talked about it before I left for work. It felt too convenient that he contacted her 5 minutes after I got to the office and a text to me felt very impersonal especially for our first encounter that was solo play. Additionally, he is not in the lifestyle. He has a girlfriend that is unaware of the situation. So he is cheating. As I said before they have known each other for over a decade and have had a casual sexual relationship in the past. Am I just being jealous that every time I am away from the house and they both have the same day off, which is every week, that they are spending the day together. We talked that solo play would only be a once a month thing and that we would sort of schedule it days ahead like a date. This felt like more of a booty call or that it was planned ahead of time without me knowing. And am I jealous that with my schedule solo play is difficult for me and that when I am home she is home too. So I would have to leave her home while I go on a date versus playing with someone while my wife is at work.

I’m a Cheater! My wife is a Cheater! I’m sorry if I offend the Morality Police. Why is cheating any different from swinging? People cheat to have sex with others, people swing to have sex with others. I am reading posts since I joined where people are choked, abused, peed on, gang banged, picking up strangers at bars, having sex with strangers at clubs, going to resorts where sex with others is normal. Who are the men gangbanging your wife? Who are the men you picked up at the hotel? Are all Unicorns single. When people go to a swingers party how do you know that the couple you met were not two cheaters hiding as a married pair? I cheated with women who were cheating too. Look up the statistics of people who have had extramarital sex. Why would you expect every swinger to be faithful. My wife never cheated before she caught me cheating. She could have thrown me out, divorced me and caused more harm to our family. Instead she accepted that we just be open to having affairs. My affairs happened on business trips, she didn’t have that opportunity to search for men. She went the internet route, Ashley Madison. AM has 70,000,000 subscribers, more women than men, all cheaters. How many people are swingers? Thinking much less. I didn’t know how she met men, where she went, what she did and had no desire to watch her have sex with others. If she was like me, I wanted her to enjoy the way I did, a new partner, it’s exciting to have Strange. I worried about her safety, I do love her. I worried about disease, we were still having sex at home. As we continued Cheating we no longer had to hide our cheating. I never asked specifics and never offered my stories. I am happy my wife met other cheaters, men married with families, men looking for extra fun not for love, not for relationships. They had to be safe with home relationships at risk, careful of STDs. At this point my wife has cheated with more cheaters, I am not having the opportunity she has. Some of the men she has met have showered with gifts, and rewarded her financially. She isn’t asking for anything from the men, just respectful sex. More recently we have had what could be called swinging, it’s exciting, it’s fun, you all know that. I can’t say it more fun than the cheating, it’s different. My wife agrees the sex is different alone with a man, nobody watching, something I say being alone with a cheating woman. Being together with others is not bad, I do enjoy seeing my wife sexually satisfied, a thing I don’t think about when she meets men alone. Cheating is just another morality issue. People cheat in many facets of their lives, not just in marital sex.