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This really seems to be less about your swinging and more about his sense of how he was raised. He clearly feels he did not get the affection he wanted. As this comes as a complete surprise to y'all, it sounds like he did not talk about it. He also sounds like he is responding to the shock that his parents are not who he thought they were. He is hurt and this leads to anger. I am not sure that he hates either of you, but he is responding to strong emotions and they are coming out as anger. This is a hard situation, and not how you would have liked him to find out. And, your marriage is your primary relationship. He is 23 and moved out and living his own life. We can hope that after he has some time, he can be more calm and address his feelings. I agree that calling his parents names is unacceptable. You lived your lives, you raised a son who is successful. Like all parents, you did not give him everything he needs. None of us do. As painful as his rejection is, it is about him, not about you and your wife. This is going to be difficult. As a therapist, I might suggest that you and your wife see someone to help with your side of emotions, Family therapy for all three of you would be ideal, but I doubt he would come. PM me is you want to talk more. Bryan

I think you've already handled it, and handled it well. One thing you might consider; suggest to him, in a non-accusatory way, that you don't want to be alone without him in a swinging situation. Make it a pact between the two of you that if one of you needs to leave the room for a bit for whatever reason, that you both do. Aphroditee is right; you can't change the past. All you can do is move forward from it taking the lessons from the past into the future.

He's not seriously upset. We've talked in depth about it and the underlying problem is that every girlfriend he's ever had has cheated on him. He said when he walked into the room and saw me, it was like reliving so many times he'd walked into rooms and seen his girlfriends cheating on him. Which I understand. I think I feel worse about hurting him than he does about seeing me there. I'm just sad that I crossed a boundary we had talked about. All that being said, he does still want to continue. It wasn't a major slip or anything. I have to remember to only go as fast as the slowest person. I don't think clearly in those situations and that's something I've got to get a handle on. Just wondering how others have handled this.

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There are two things in play perhaps. 1. He felt that you were closer to each other than to him. 2. He is in shock and has transferred some of number one to that. As far as 1. goes our kids were never left in any doubt that each of us had our first loyalties to each other. I remember, with one of the boys, explaining in no uncertain terms that , if he were smart, he would not try to test that bond. Our children managed to interpret that state of affairs as stability in their lives. None of them have ever hinted that they felt unloved or left out. At 23 he is just entering one of the major learning curves. It will be interesting to see how he deals with it the first time there is a tension between his spouse and a child. He just might learn that in order for his child's life to be solidly grounded it is a good thing for his parents to have a sound, solid and affectionate marriage. As for the shock. Time and experience will likely square that away.

DITTO! I hate Doms, I am not into being dominated or controlled. I also get a ridiculous number of guys contacting me and telling me that I need to be controlled and I shut them down. It is such a turn off.

Aphroditee your pictures are perfection!

I love big butts and I can not lie! Share them if you got them.

Do single guys really think that writing on their profile that they are a dominant bull is going to get them lots of responses? It almost seems like maybe they watch to much porn thinking every woman out there that likes sex is looking for guys to dominate them and all the wives in couples must have some limp dick loser for a husband that has no idea how to please them. For us at least as soon as a guy writes anything about being a dom he is quickly taken off the list as a possible extra. It is a huge turn off for her. She knows how to please a man and does need to be told or pushed to do anything. There is nothing special or sexy about a man that can dominate a woman. It is actually pretty lame. She prefers givers over takers. We have on all of our profiles no interest at all in dom men, but yet they always message anyways thinking they will be the exception. When we tell them not interested at all in dom men they usually say something like I don’t have to play that way. Well that’s nice, but she is not into men that want to play that way. She can and does do better.

Somebody on reddit recommended to come here. Our son(23M) was returning one of our bags we left at his house a week ago. He decided to return it late at night last Saturday. Our "party" ended and we had people leaving. Apparently, when he reached out front door we had couples leaving and talking about the party. My wife opened the door in shock. He threw the bag on the floor "Here's your stuff, sorry if I interrupted your orgy." My wife, as usual started blowing up his phone. My wife had the phone on speaker. He picked up the fourth time and "Mom we can talk about this on Friday at my place but I want to be left alone for this week. Friday came and we were sitting at his place. He let out a lot of his frustrations. He said "You guys were basically gone every other weekend when I was 16 years old. Was the only time you guys were at home was because you didn't have any fuck buddies to suck and fuck?" I told him to watch the way he spoke to us and that we did still spent time on the days we didn't go nor we gone for the whole weekend. He responds "Yeah name one time you guys did anything with me on an individual basis? You guys were attached to the hip basically. I was actually jealous of your relationship. How fucked up is that! I used to think it's nice and all how much you love each other but couldn't show me the same amount of love and attention. I used to get sick seeing you snuggle with each other like teenagers whenever we used to watch a movie together. You used to tease me about it but you had no idea how I felt inside." I responded with telling him that a romantic relationship and a parent child relationship are completely different. He gets pissed off and said" Don't insult my intelligence. I know that. It's still doesn't change you guys cared more about each other. I've seen how girlfriend's parents love on her. I used to get jealous. By the way, mom, yes my girlfriend isn't a big fan of yours. She doesn't respect you as my parents. The reason I didn't share how I felt when I was at home because it felt humiliating." My wife starts bawling in tears and starts begging for forgiveness while reaching out for a hug. He rebukes and calls her a whore. I started seeing red and I was up in his face telling him to watch his mouth. He then responds with saying "What are you going to do man-whore. I shouldn't be calling you a man. Get the fuck out of my house before I lose control." My wife has called out for going to work tomorrow and today. She hasn't left the bed and is crying. I've been crying all night. My son hates my guts and I don't know what to do. *Note: there's alot more cursing, so paraphrased the stuff he said

I could eat my dinner off that butt.

There is far more there than the parents prioritizing their relationship as a basis for being parents.

I want to see the big labia and clit!

I was chatting with a high mileage couple at the Red Rooster in Vegas about ten years ago, solo. Apparently the wife was interested enough to feel my junk through my pants. Now I'm a grower, seven inches when erect. I was on conversation and charm mode, more blood going to the big head than the little head. Her enthusiasm waned and she sort of laughed at my cock for not standing straight out for her in all it's glory. So to Hell with them. Their loss.

Thank you!

Right and what's far more in demand is just some sexy confidence. Not someone who has to say they are some alpha dom bull, which actually screams of insecurity. Indeed. Basic spelling and grammar issues are one of our blacklist items. Especially since most browsers are trying to help prevent that these days. In a text, forgivable. In a profile that you've had up for days/months/years? No so much.

I absolutely agree with you. Parents need time alone. However a strong marriage is never enough. Parents need to make one-on-one time with their kids and have to active in nurturing that individual relationship. I have a 24 year old who call me frequently and visits every other week. I've met his girlfriend who I adore. Last year my husband and him did a father-son trip to Colorado. We've always made our relationship with me a priority even in his teens.

We also had a bunch of rules that eventually got paired down to only a few rules. One of those is still 'if one of us says no, then we both say no'. It sounds like he is now saying no so you both should be saying no...until he says otherwise (and that may never happen). It may have been (what you think was) a small mistake, but he isn't taking it as such. You have also violated his trust. Spend more time working on restoring that trust and enjoying your time together and put swinging on the back burner until he's ready.

In the beginning we had a bunch of rules, but now we do not. In the beginning I had a few minor slip ups, in the heat of the moment, and he had a major slip up. In each case we talked about the transgression, apologies were made, and then I point blank asked him if he wanted to stop or continue. Cause that is what it comes down to. I can't go back in time and take it back, I can only apologize and promise not to break the rule again. Reset the clear boundaries. I am not a child and I will not be scolded nor will I scold because he is not a child. In every instance he wanted to continue in the lifestyle so we recalibrate the rules and kept moving forward. Hope that helps, I know it sounds a little harsh but it's the truth. Good luck.

When ever we travel and have time in an airport or other public place with lots of traffic, we play a game. We call is maybe, maybe not, hope not. This is where we point out couples to each other and guess if they are or are not in the lifestyle.

If the girl is checking on me and her partner seems content about it, "DING, DING, DING, we have a winner"

Trying to resurrect our post….

Here are a couple more of Missus Enhancer in her new green outfit! Getting ready for Christmas.

If you have pics in the gallery on this site you can just go to the insert other media and choose from the existing files! Otherwise I am not sure. Maybe a picture hosting site?

The start of an anal session.. We love the butt

My contribution

Sorry, I have nothing to share, I don't have big butt cheeks, but what I have is 88% muscle according to the last measurement. Little tits too. Big labia and clit though.