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wife86 - I wish you the very best however this ends. But, it occurred to me that the real issue is whether your husband wants to give up on himself. The swinging activity triggered a long buried and difficult emotional experience for him. The wound is open, it's bleeding and festering. The best action now is for him to HEAL it. It's time for him to move forward and become the full person he wants to be. To realize his full potential which will allow him to be fully engaged in your relationship, the life of your children when they arrive and with himself. And he's so fortunate to have you there to help him. To love him, the hold him, to offer patience and non-judgemental support. The swinging has offered him an opportunity to deal with his buried challenges. I truly believe there is a silver lining here if he wants to embrace it, and from what I've read, he'd be crazy to blow up the two of you instead. Best to you both.

I would suggest joining one of the swinging sites in the sponsors at the top of the page to find what you are looking for! Live cam stuff is not our thing, but you will find others on those sites that are into that sort of thing. This site is more to talk about swinging subjects, stories and info. Good luck.

80eezcouple, I'm sorry you feel the way you do about the feedback here. I can tell you from direct personal experience there is no way that my wife and I would have gotten into swinging if it weren't for this board. The people here are very, very good. Sometimes what we have to say isn't what people want to hear. I'd much rather we say what we think needs to be said than to lead someone down the wrong path. This forum supports the swinger community. Because of that, it also means we tell it like it is as we see it. If we're wrong, we certainly invite correction.

Are you saying that the pics cannot be seen? I will insert a few more. She just really wants to see what guys would do with her . Guys feel free to be explicit. Let her know what she would be in for.

Like the title says, who would be interested? I am trying to show my wife what she would be in for😈, she doesnt think so at her age. How can I convince her? (How would you convince her?)

We have played together before these individual ménage a Trois. We are now friends first, players second. Before any play we met socially, I played golf with him, the wives spent time together. Past feelings of 20 years ago are not an issue, no romantic feelings that I see. I trust Debbie. We are new to meeting others which leads to the only questions and setting boundaries.

Ditto to both responses...

I concur with njbm. Ok, this was a deeply traumatic event for him. Ok, there's been lasting repercussions. Ok, he's having a very difficult time getting the images out of his head. All of that is understandable. There's recognition there is a serious problem. To me, what is not understandable is being unwilling to do anything about it. Allowing one consensual incident like this destroy a marriage is unconscionable. That should be the very, very, very last thing to consider. Get him to counseling. If he's not open to counseling, and absolutely refuses to go, ...I don't know how to say this without coming off as highly critical...the burden is squarely on his shoulders, and it is perhaps fortunate you haven't had kids with him.

Hopefully, you can go to counseling. Something is off with his perspective. This event should be a hiccup, not a marriage ender. Someone else may have to bring your husband to arrive at that conclusion.

You don’t convince others to swing. Swinging is a decision couples make together. We wouldn’t play with anyone who had to be convinced or pushed into playing.

I’d suck her pussy until her head caves in, then fuck her into unconsciousness, and finally shoot a load on her tits. Happy now?

I still say she's smoking hot!

Perhaps your wife gave you some sort of global permission to share these images with others, in which case fine. But as a general principle, in my opinion it’s a substantive violation of trust to post nude photos of one’s spouse/partner without their explicit permission to do so, even if one has protected the subject’s anonymity by not showing their face. (On the infrequent occasions that I have shared nudes or sexually explicit photos of my wife with others, I always get her permission first.)

I tend to agree, and as a male, what would you tell me and others to do to be more desirable. Truly interested, not baiting you.

If you're talking about her body it's two thumbs up! She's smoking hot!

JennJenn - first I have 2 things to say, the first of which is "wow" and the 2nd is that your man is one lucky individual. OK so you couldn't have worded it more perfectly - I am always wondering what women think about this subject as I have had some close encounters that have gone into the realm of VERY close. I recall my gf afterwards saying that she was turned off by the fact that here she is, a totally hot blonde giving herself to two guys and one of them is more interested in the other than in her, big turn off for her. The woman should always be the total center of the attention and so much so that some close contact is to be expected, accepted and welcomed as part of "the moment." For me one of the sexiest things is seeing woman taking turns sucking off two men, holding their cocks close in front of her mouth and going back and forth licking them, swallowing one as she looks up at the other man, then slowly taking it out and swallowing the other, then staring at them and then th cocks as they are positioned right in front of her mouth, having them touch ever so slightly at first outside then rubbing right against each other inside her mouth as she opens wide and swallows them both together. So I am always wondering - does this make me gay or bi because I like this? I would not like it if the F were not there, so i must not be but I know a lot of men out there would disagree. To this I have always said that this was OK b/c I am so comfortable with myself, secure in my sexuality and "such a ladies man" that I can be naked with another man, in close quarters to pleasure a woman. Of course, I don't think I would go much further - I mean, if the woman I love or the hottest woman on earth, whatever, wanted me to ass-bang another guy I would have to pass. So the summary of my post is, I don't know if my experiences have made me bi/curious or not - but I know that I would like to volunteer to be in a MFM with JennJenn and her man, that's for sure!

I have never had a male cock cum while I was sucking, and though I might not want to do it a thousand time, it seems sexy, and it might be sexy to try a couple. I have sucked another male, and it was surprising to me that they do not cum that quickly or easily. There is also a position the French call "tete Beche" kind of a 69 with the two males on their sides. It seems that would be erotic. If I got another male to cum while I was giving him a blow job, I would swallow to see what the taste and texture is like. I bet a lot of other guys have the same thoughts, but it is not something you really want to push or claim. We are very homophobic. Now, as to risks. I am against anal sex because of the high risk of HIV/AIDS. Were it not for the high risk, it would be sexy to be penetrated once or so, and to feel a load of cum in my ass. But that is not going to happen. I have had anal intercourse with several women, and it just does not do much for me. But giving a good blow job, I would like to try that.

Many years ago, when we were newbies at a swing club in NYC. While enjoying some group activity in a matroom, when we noticed the couple next to us engaging in some male to male play. We were next to them, and enjoyed watching. The others on the mats began to notice and joined in watching these two guys grope, stroke and suck. Soon, another gentleman joined in, while their women watched intently. No one snickered, or spoke. They allowed these men to express themselves as they pleasured each other. It was very erotic watch. Many years later, we attended a private party where 7 of the 10 couples in attendance were bi. It was great to enjoy group play in the hottub and subsequently in an orgy room without knowing offending anyone. So many times, bi male play, whether at private party or club, is limited to groping, stroking and sucking. More times than not, such activity is usually shared with his mate or date. We can count two occasions, where we've seen guys engage in anything more than stroking and sucking with another guy. These were parties for bi guys, bi gals and bi-couples, where such activity was to be found. We've enjoyed watching however its not our interest to engage in. We say - if it feels good, then do it. Play safe and enjoy!!

Hey, this isn't anything new at all. There are a number of women who just aren't interested in any bi-experimentations. There are also a number of men who would be OK with, or even enjoy, bi-experimentations. It's just that the girl/girl thing is more socially acceptable. But, I remember way back in the early eighties seeing two guys perform at a house party. I don't recall how it started but I was sure amazed at how all the ladies seemed to be so interested.

when I was 22 (1984) I was with a couple where the guy wanted me to F** his wife. I the middle she wanted to see him suck me. so I let him...She was on fire..she also sucked me and I finished in both of there faces. Now when I swing if the mood hits and it's ok with him. I will 69 him and she can watch. Men get to see 2 women do each other a lot . It's only fair that if a women wants to see it she should ask and get her wishes granted. What's the big deal good sex is good sex. Your doing it in a room and not on the front page of the papers. The next day at work your boss is not going to say you look like you just done sucking dick. Go with the moment, drop the homo-phobe.

My wife said she would like to watch me give a guy a blow job so she could watch as I do when she does a guy. I tried and it and we both thought it was so cool. Now, on a regular basis we try to find an accommodating guy and we blow him together. She enjoys watching him shoot cum in my mouth and then she deep kisses me to slurp it all up while I fuck her. He then licks my cum from her pussy and shares it with her orally. I am now a confirmed bi-curious husband.

I considered myself straight. One of those days my wife mentioned she would love to see me with another man. I accepted the proposition and posted an add, requesting a bi-curious male couple. We found one after a while and went for it. We both enjoyed and I felt a new kind of pleasure, never experienced before. That couple introduced us to a male friend, that called himself 100% straight, but after two encounters, he decided to be an active partner only. He enjoyed and I tasted an 8" member inside me. Now I can say, I am bisexual to a certain extent only. No kissing, just oral and anal contact. It is one of the the most pleasurable experience I had in my life.

My wife gets super turned on when I join her in sucking off a guy. She licks his balls as I handle his cock. She loves it when he cums in my mouth and I share it with her in a deep kiss while I then fuck her. But, we must be careful in the clubs because of the double standard. It is ok for her to eat another woman but for us to do the above described appears to make many uncomfortable.

When did I change? Well, it had to be our very first swinging experience. It was in the late seventies, we'd been married only three years, and we had good friends over to watch 'Deep Throat' on 8mm film. This was very much in the news at the time and I'd managed, through some car sales friends, to get the copy. The other two couples were friends we'd known from my two years as a cop. Nothing sexual had ever happened or had even been discussed. After watching the film one of the couples left fairly quickly to get alone! LOL! The other couple stayed and we talked about sex which led to our first experience. As nice as it was to get undressed with three special people and to, for the first time, explore the other wife..., it was a complete turn-on to watch my gorgeous young wife being seduced by my friend. I think we'd each had intercourse, and lots of oral, at least twice when it happened. We were all laying on the bed together and when my wife and my friend began making out for about the third time I helped them. His wife and I were intently watching the two maneurver into position and when his cock came close to my wife's ready vagina the other wife and I both grabbed his cock and guided it in. It really, really felt good in my hand and his wife and I kept on massaging and licking them the whole time they had intercourse. I guess that was the actual moment that I went from 'straight' to curious.

R, don't worry you're NOT gay. For that matter, neither am I! That being said.... jennjenn, I like your fantasies. Our first experience with mfm, with her as the center of attention, has left me far less threatened by another erect cock in the room. While we didn't do a dp, I did finger her ass while he was inside her which of course led to some incedental contact through that thin membrane between. And admittedly I angled my finger so as to maximize his pleasure and of course hers..though I'm NOT gay.. I found that it was pretty cool to give them both this pleasure. Since that experience I have become a bit more curious ...For instance, my wife tells me that women give better head to other women since they know the equipment so well. By the way Tempest, maybe we should arrange for a friendly competition one night, LOL. If this is true then I think I'd be interested in recieving some oral from a guy, preferably one who's done it before. -seriously....btw I'm not gay

To answer the original question about "changing from straight to bi" I never thought much about it in those terms. I personally enjoy giving oral to another man while involved in a 3 or 4 some. I never labeled it as anything except a driving desire to experience EVERYTHING in life. Guys, you should try and set aside artificial labels and all the baggage they carry with them. I enjoy the sensation of a mans penis in my mouth, and I enjoy giving pleasure to another person. If your lady gets pleasure from watching this, then you are giving double pleasure.... Relax and open your minds a little. Sucking another mans penis isnt gonna make you suddely lust for show tunes and flowery shirts....you'll still enjoy the football game on sunday.....lol.....

I was homophobic when my wife and I started swinging many years ago. I was carefull not to bump into the other male and wouldn't even kiss my wife after she performed oral on another man. My bi activity, was a very gradual process over several years. It started with a couple. The husbnad started to suck me while at the direction of his wife. I was on my back performing oral on the lady and not in a position to protest. If I were asked, I know I would have said no. I accepted it and afterwards it wasn't even talked about. At a later date I was having sex with the same lady in a missionery position, when her husband came up to her for oral attention. She sucked him and then stuck his cock in my mouth. I was aprehensive but some how expected it. At this point I was divorced and was involved with this couple for several years. It took me several years to become totally comfortable with this. I now love the oppeness and the erotic atmoshpere that it brings. With me, Bi isn't neccessary with a couple but it does make it more comfortable and opens up so many more possiblities for fun.

Was already experienced at bi play before getting into swinging. Ms P is fine with m2m oral as long as she's part of the action, as in her getting fucked while the guy in her blows the other man right over her face, says it seems a natural part of mfm, but it's not a necessary part of swinging for her. She likes to be with men who are open-minded enough to not shy away from m2m contact, but also likes being the object of all that male lust. Ms F is a hardcore enthusiast of watching two men play with each other. She will watch and masturbate during such a show before joining in full steam ahead. She especially likes to sit on a cock, lean back and have another guy lick them both.

OK, I'm a single (but attached) female exploring swinging with my significant other. Before I met him I interacted with a lot of single guys in this lifestyle, online, on the phone, and some in person. It has been my experience that the guys who are into this lifestyle are a lot less homophobic than the general population of guys who aren't into swinging. The idea of being in the same room with another naked aroused male is very threatening to a lot of guys outside the swinging community but a given within the lifestyle. Having said that, I have a fantasy about two guys together in a threesome situation - some m/m - with a female (that would be me lol) but the guys are both straight. Let me explain....I used to think two seeing two guys together would be really really hot but after getting to know one single guy who was straight in his profile but way more than bi in reality, I discovered that when a guy leans toward being gay as in saying beforehand that he loves women but in a threesome situation would love to suck a cock (especially if it's been inside me first) and would be open to anal with a guy in the same situation, it was a turn-off. I found through that that my fantasy has more to do with a guy who is truly straight but comfortable enough with his masculinity to be open to incidental (or a little more than incidental) contact in a mfm situation. Who is so into the moment and so turned on that he lets things happen/does things he wouldn't have done otherwise. A straight guy who will go down on me after another guy has cum in me (huge fantasy, not bi but certainly not homophobic), who will maybe in the heat of the moment let another guy fuck me while we are in a 69 position with me on top. This is a big fantasy, I don't want him to suck another guy's cock, but there will be some incidental contact in a situation like that involving licking more than likely. I think that is SO yummy. A guy who's not afraid to touch another guy's cum on me or who loves sloppy seconds and cream pies. I don't consider that bi but the idea of it turns me on a lot. Even a man who's comfortable guiding the other guy's penis into me if it slips out or who's comfortable with his cock touching the other guy's cock inside me in a double penetration kind of thing. The fantasy that gets me off every time right now is this: The guy I'm dating and I are in a mfm and the attention is focused on me entirely We have all kinds of foreplay, both sucking my breasts, a lot of kisses from my guy, etc. One going down on me while I suck the other guy. Then I suck them both at the same time, one then the other, holding both cocks in my hands. I have their cocks like an inch from each other while I suck them and even let them barely touch as I take one in my mouth and then the other (Very hot to me btw). Then we attempt a double vaginal with me on top of the other guy (who can't be very big lol) and my bf behind me. Both guys are loving it. My bf cums inside me first and pulls out leaving the other guy inside me and then slides a finger or two into my pussy while the other guy and I are still fucking. I usually come by this point, my fantasy gets no further lol. But that's the one that really works for me right now. So it's kind of a bi fantasy, but kind of not because neither guy in my fantasy is bi. Just open to the moment. The thought of two guys kissing or hugging is a huge turn off though as is straight out oral, one guy on his knees in front of the other guy...submissive guys are a big turn off to me, maybe that's why. A guy with a cock in his mouth or on the receiving end of anal is putting himself in a submissive position.

1. When we started out my wife knew of my teen sex experimentation, and the psychological pain it had caused me for many years. 2. After some years of swinging, we tried oral with several guys at the club and at home exchanges. I never did have a male cum, but it would have been sexy and erotic if he did. 3. At this moment, I would love to taste a cock before it goes into either Eileen or his wife, and then taste it after it has cum, and still wet with creme. 4. I also think it would be erotic to eat out Eileen or Doris while Don is using a small vibe on my ass, and then perhaps later butt fucking me while I am eating Doris or Eileen. 5. I have wondered what it would be like to be at a gay club in Seattle and really be reamed by a guy.; But with the AID epidemic, I will leave that to my imagination and stimulation. 6. I was once blown by a male -- and he gave me the very best blow job I have ever had. He seemed to know how to get every drop of creme out, and I felt so relaxed afterwards. 7. There have been other opportunities, but for one reason or another did not take them. 8. The description of "Tete beche" also sounds sexy and fun. 9. More than one of our female playmates has said that she would be turned on by male - male action. 10. As we have gone along, Eileen has come out more and tried more bi stuff with her girlfriends.

You are certainly not alone, my wife and you would get along just fine. It had been a fantasy of hers for some time and we actually made it come true. For her it was over the top. She was soooo excited. Honestly, I have seldom seen her get as worked up as she did watching and having two men at the same time. We tend to play together so we invited a male to join us and explained that there would most certainly be male male contact. She actually directed the action a bit. Then the three of us played. She absolutly loved it and I loved making her fantasy cum true. If only I could bring that kind of joy to every woman in the world. thinking of that, you ever in California?

I think it depends on your locale. We've lived in various parts of this country and find that swingers have different comfort levels and social standards. It's quite a generalization and possibly stereotypical to assume you can speak for swingers in general. Perhaps, in your area, this behavior is shunned. In other areas, it's tolerable-to-welcomed. Our motto, to each his own, as long as he's having fun and no one is hurt in the process! We also wouldn't go so far to say that if a man engages in M/M activity he is gay. There are no blacks and whites. Just as in the comment about a man's wife not really being turned on for facials, she does them for him. We all make some sacrifices whereever our boundaries may be challenged. My husband has entertained the idea of a M/M encounter on my request. Had I not brought it up, he would certainly not have gone there himself. He's simply very comfortable in his own sexuality.

I don't know about most women, but I don't like to have cum all over my face. Anal is another story

I never thought about sucking a guy's cock until I had a 3some with a buddy and his wife and she wanted to see us suck each other's cock, it was very different and when I sucked him, he came all over my mouth and face and she licked it all off! The next time I loved sucking him. He came all over my chest and she licked it all off too! I tried anal one time with him as she watched, once he was in me, his cock hitting my prostate was a feeling that made me cum harder and shot more cum than I ever have. She sucked me as he fucked me. I am not into anal though, it is hard to get in, but I love sucking his cock while she watches.

That's a faulted comparison of what I said -- but if you want to make the comparison it would be: "Before she gets her coochie eaten she should eat a coochie..." this because it is a possible similarity. To say that she "should get a blow job before performing one" is a practical impossibility in most cases. Since it's not a practical stipulation, it would be assinine to suggest it as an alternative... Now, since the anal passage is essentially the same between male and female -- how is anal penetration physically any different between the sexes? Well, it's not. I will share though that my comments were not meant in complete and total sincerity -- it was a joke! Mostly a joke becasue I know full well that most men find the idea of putting their penis in a womans anus an appealing concept but consider having the exact same act performed on them completely unacceptable.

Since I've never even seen MM activity other than in videos I can't say I love it. I do more than tolerate which has a neutral to negative connotation. Love it for me is too much although that was my poll vote. I'd say intrigued.

We both find watching each other with the same sex extremely erotic. We're never content to just watch though, which is why we are interested in bisexual playmates! LOL!

That is probably my #1 fantasy... to see two guys together.

I'd love to see Kermit with another man. That's on my top 10 list. :claps:

Let's be honest M/M activity is NOT ACCEPTABLE! in the swinging lifestyle.....men who are interested in that type of activity are gay and have plenty of places to play and a large community for support. Of course F/F activity is not only acceptable but it is welcome and encouraged.If this sounds like a double standard well then maybe your knocking on the wrong door. We have been active in the lifestyle for 4 years and I feel I can speak for many in the lifestyle who share my point of view when I say NO TO M/M ACTIVITY!