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We have a 20 yo dau that has join swinger life..we are longtime swingers and we decided to open up to her since she was a teen to avoid lies and dramas ...after few years she decided to join swinger life and has worked out well ..this situations happens more than what people think

I've read all three stories, and what I see in all cases is parents that neglected their children. The swinging/open marriage is used as a focal point, but it's not the point. The point is these parents were being bad parents...in some cases just AWFUL parents. These stories could have just as easily been written without swinging/open marriage involved at all. You could just as easily replace the swinging aspect with drinking, going to bars/clubbing, having friends over for a drunken party night, etc. It would be the same difference. Swinging wasn't the cause of the neglect. It does serve as a potent reminder to all of us to take time with our children seriously. Recently, my wife and I have gotten involved with another couple. Things are going very nicely. It has also meant that we've been out from the house when in the last few years (in part, due to covid) we have not been. I don't think this is a bad thing. I think it healthy for kids to understand that parents need to spend time on themselves too. Parents that throw themselves 100000% into being a parent can in fact hurt their kids in doing so. I'd much rather show my kids that their parents have an interest in spending time together. My wife and I spend a lot of time on our kids. We are always there for their events (unless work is in the way), and always provide support for them in the form of time. I wouldn't have it any other way. Their are times when they don't like us (one of them in particular tonight is in quite the mood..sigh), but I'm not here to be liked..I'm here to be a parent, and that I take quite seriously. If I thought for even a second that spending time with this other couple was hurting my children, I'd stop it instantly, and so would my wife. My wife and I have been very intentional about keeping the open marriage aspect of our lives to ourselves. We don't feel it's any of the kids' business. It's our private lives, and ours alone. We don't pry into their dating lives and we're not going to disclose ours. We have discussed that if they should find out, we're not going to deny it.

We'll agree with both of these statements, with a small asterisk. 1. Parenting is the hardest and most important responsibility for which there is no consistent guidance. Every parent should strive to do the best they can, and every parent wonders what could have been done better. The shape of a family (single parent, traditional nuclear, poly,...) will shape how great parenting is done; it must never alter the reality that great parenting is done, whether alone, with a partner, with other relatives, ... 2. Parents' sex life should be private. Kids need to know and understand that parents need "private time", and that everyone's private time has to be respected. That said, kids will be exposed to sex information from non-parental sources--friends, the internet, whatever. We will fully agree that parents should not be exposing kids directly to sex, our asterisk being that part of parenting is managing kids' exposure to--and responses to--sex information. We'll close by remarking that we grew up when TV shows such as "Father Knows Best", the "Donna Reed Show", and "Leave it to Beaver" were in syndication if not first run. These "family" shows depicted imaginary (and aspirational) relationships. In these universes, "non-binary" was inconceivable, marriages were perfect, etc. The world is a more complex place, and contemporary kids know this from all sorts of messaging. None of that new messaging makes parenting easier.

1) Don't neglect the children! We are a poly family of three women and two men with multiple children, all our own. We all are good parents individually, and together our parenting is better than most two parent families - Clair quit working to be a full-time, stay-at-home mother to our children. None of us spend excessive time or money at hobbies unless it is with the kids biking, skiing, hiking. And none of us goes to bars, clubs, etc. at all. 2) Don't expose the children to sex, including your sex life. This applies to all parents, even vanilla ones. You can't do those fun things once you have children, like screwing on the living room floor, even if you think they're not around. And when you do have sex in private make sure that the door is locked. It's easier for us because if two or three of us want to get it on, there's another three or two of us to mind the kids.

We are open swingers too..

I know super old post, new to me! Honestly I don’t get the white slut looking for BBC, but it is not a kink for either of us. She finds men that advertise themselves that way a turn off. Not, because the color of their skin, but because of what they are selling. Otherwise she does not choose potential play friends by what race they are. She chooses them by how attractive they are to her. As a white male myself I find women of any race can be attractive! Although I am absolutely super attracted to my white spouse I do find myself very attracted to black and Spanish women. Would not hesitate for a minute if the chance came up with mutual attraction.

Here in Canada, the chic look is a down filled parka (at least for most of the year).

So you are qualified to speak for your wife, but other spouses are not? I will be sure not to respond to your threads anymore then.

We are with you Billygoat; light on the alcohol (or none at all) provides for a much more relaxed, and controllable environment. Folks that need to be drunk to "swing" don't attract us in the least; we have to ask ourselves, "is there something about what they are doing that entails a need to obscure the reality of the situation?"

I agree. If one needs to get drunk in order to play, maybe it's not for them. I've seen it before and it's not very attractive.

Parenting is a complex endeavor that is impossible to do 100% correctly. Parents are human, and we make mistakes. There are also many variables that parents cannot control. Each child is different and has different needs. Spending X hours of one on one time with child 1 is too much for them, and for child 2 is not enough. Do you buy them $200.00 Nikes so they fit into their peer group, or do you teach them responsible consumerism and buy their shoes on sale at Kohl's? Do you give them an allowance to teach them good budgeting skills, or do you give them money when there is something they really want? Is feeding and walking the dog to much responsibility for them, or not enough? Do you force them to eat their vegetables, clean their room, and go to church every week, or do you allow them to express their independence by choosing for themselves? We raised our children in a loving home, and they knew they were important to us. They also knew we had other friends and interests. And when they complained or felt we were unfair, they were told that we were doing our best, we loved them, but when they were delivered the owner's manual was lost. Swinging has nothing to do with parenting, but it is outside of societies expectations. And there are many life choices that are outside of those expectations. I know of people who were raised with pot smoking parents, raised off the grid, homeschooled in a strict religious household and raised in a 3 generation household. Some handled it just fine, and some didn't. As I read the articles above (one of which is gone), I see those who did not handle it well. I am sure you can find similar articles of kids who were messed up when they walked in on Mom giving dad a blow job, or Mom masturbating with a large dildo, or even discovering dad's private journal, which has nothing sexual, but has private thoughts that are outside of the norm. In all cases, as parents, we must be loving, but also be open and loving. And we just have to do our best.

We have heard stories of parents prioritizing swinging over their parental duties. But I agree, negligent parents work too much, drink too much, golf too much. Swinging is not the core of the problem.

We have had MFM threesomes with two friends. In most cases these days, there is also MM play. It does increase the fun and my wife really enjoys it too.

As I was fucking his wife, she looked and sounded like she was on her way to cumming. He put his hand on my ass as if to push me into her. I was surprised but was too absorbed into feeling and seeing her close to an orgasm to care.

Have always enjoyed close up views of her being penetrated. Fav is 69 me bottom her top as m takes her from behind. This particular encounter the male slipped out and his cock thrust straight for my closed lips. Accidents happen. After several more slips it became obvious was purposefully doing this. Being an open minded kinda guy I figured if he "slipped" again I'd try something new. As expected he did. Instead of the tight lipped dodge I decided to open up and lean in. Was pleasantly surprised to discover I really enjoyed swallowing his 10 inches all the way down. That evening I made myself realize that no longer a straight male. Openly admitted to myself to be orally bi. No regrets. Next step anal. Never done but not gonna rule it out until I try it. Don't like it then I'll know I at least tried. Regardless of that outcome I still know I enjoyed oral and will still have no problems swallowing another hard cock.

I've had husbands help my cock into their wives, fluff me while I'm getting their wives ready, even lick my ass as I'm fucking away. I agree with PeterJ "sheer physical pleasure - pleasing friction and or pressure - knows no specific gender"

More than 30 years ago, during my first MFM, while I was fucking the woman missionary position, her husband fondled my balls. At the time, I thought she was the one reaching over my butt to get her hand on my balls. But speaking with her the next day she said it was her husband who'd been adding to my pleasure. While it was women I was sexually attracted to, it did illustrate to me that sheer physical pleasure - pleasing friction and or pressure - knows no specific gender.

Hi, this is Petra. From my earliest sexual awakening until my mid-twenties I was 100% straight. Nothing about women turned me on, I only considered them rivals and looked upon them with jealousy (I have a lot to be jealous of). That changed with the right woman, Clair, and now I consider myself partially lesbian. Perhaps that makes me "bi-sexual" or "bi-curious," but I think those words evades the truth of it - that I can now be strongly attracted to a women. I agree that it is counterproductive to focus on labels, just go with what feels right... Also, BTW, I realized from a very early age that I am genuinely a bipedal, and don't plan on changing...

Look, I am a lifelong lover of eating a woman's luscious pussy and want give in to a recent desire to suck and lick a juicy pussy as it's being fucked. I am willing to go at it and want to feel a hard cock with my hands and touch all over their bodies. My last girlfriend really got me to open up to these needs by piercing both my nipples to make them sensitive. She spent a lot of time playing with them and my ass. So come on, let's play, and let me taste your mixed drink.

I had a girlfriend who slid a finger into my ass while she sucked me. It was the most incredible thing I ever felt. I couldn't hide my feelings. She graduated to her vibrator and then to dildos. She had a fantasy about watching me having sex with another man but I couldn't go that far.

I agree with previous posts - I had been straight as an arrow all my life. I then began playing with couples - the second one I played with the hubby was bi. As we did our threesome he went down on me first and then later on in the evening I returned the favor! It was all new to me - but I have to say that feel of his cock was great - so hard yet so velvety -and the taste was just great. When he came in my mouth I was a bit apprehensive but his wife and I shared it - I have been hooked on cocksucking ever since especially during MMF!

Go for it! If you don't try it you'll never find out if you like it or not. We agree with other comments here. Sex between two men is a very powerful sexual experience. And if your wife is anything like Jo she will get very excited watching you and soon join in on the fun.

We evolve, we change, we adapt, we grow. Go with the flow, don't force it, when the situation presents itself & it feels right... When you get to the stage when labels no longer matter.... I mean at high school age the attitude is "you suck cock, you gay". Now it's who cares, life is too short for regrets, let's all just chill out, have fun and ball each other! I have a bad habit of overthinking things. I have kissed a guy, and he gave me head. Afterwards I agonized over whether I should have reciprocated, should I be searching out these experiences... being trolled by my own brain!! What I REALLY like about loosening my sexual orientation and becoming more bi is that it makes everything so much more relaxed. If the guy makes a move on me I'm not going to freak out, I'll either go with it, or if the mood's not right I think I'll be comfortable enough to handle it right. And the days of "OMG a I touched a man's pee-pee! I must be a homo! quick get the bleach!" are happily long behind me.

I am in agreement with Lascivious L&L, I have given a number of men head and many to completion and i find it sexually powerful as well. I also have to say I do not find men sexually attractive. i don't ever say "wow look at that guy, now he's hot", but I do say "I'd love to give him head". The desire is totally sexual in a very male way. Like just getting ones rocks off, but not getting involved. My wife and many women that I have talked with, need to feel a connection. I need to feel a connection with women, to be truly passionate and enjoy her. But not with men, just a disengaged sexual encounter. Hope that makes sense. if i were you, I'd give it a try, oh right I did and I liked it. If it's not for you you'll know, but do allow yourself to experiment, that's half the fun.

The first time I tasted a cock I was amazed at how different it felt than I imagined it would. It was fun, interesting, but most of all, it was powerfully sexual. Male sexual. There was the same pleasure giving sexual, just as when you go down on a woman and she has an orgasm, the same feeling of the pleasure of giving pleasure. Yet different in that it was familiar. I knew exactly what it felt like to have my cock sucked, and now I was sucking one. Perhaps because of that I was more in tune with what it was feeling to him. The simple feel of it was amazing, hard yet velvety soft, pulsating, a hard, throbbing energy rather than the softer, wetter feeling of a woman. Tasting my first male orgasm was as amazing. I could feel the same spurts I've ejaculated into mouths ejaculating into my mouth. The sexual energy is intense. I found it far more sexual than I imagined. I don't find men attractive in the all encompassing way I find women. But oral sex with a man, especially in a three or foursome, is very powerful sexually. The women in my experience simply love watching and being a part of it. I can't imagine going through life without experiencing this.

On one hand I would say that as long as your hubby is ok with it go for it. On the other hand even if your hubby doesn't work FOR this guy anymore he is still acquainted with him business-wise. And if by chance this guy is a talker and it gets out into your husband's business circle it could be bad. In regards to the second part of your question about letting the guy know that you are interested. I would say let your hubby do it in a round about way. I assume they talk about things besides business. If so, have your hubby let it slip that you have this open relationship and see where it goes. Once he is aware of that then you can talk to him yourself and see where it goes. Just be careful.

I agree with all posters here however I do have a horror story to tell that involved a kink I was involved in many years ago. I was the bull in a cuckolding relationship and one couple I was with had a 16 year old son that was supposed to be on a trip but came home unexpectantly. And yeah he walked right into it and saw something he really should have not have seen, I cannot imagine what it must have been like from his perspective. It became a mess CPS (child protection services) got involved and the kid ended up living with his grandparents until he turned 18 and then joined the army. He barely speaks to his parents and as a father myself now that is the one thing I to this day regret most of all. I never particepated in that particular kink again even though my wife and I are swingers, but we never had parties at home and kept that life seperate from our kids. I still think about the kid from time to time he must be around 30 now since this was 15 years ago, I spoke to the husband a few times on the phone wondering if things had worked out but like I said he joined the army at 18 and cut them both off.