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Recall that in the early days of HIV, people imagined themselves invulnerable so long as they were not Haitian, homosexual, heroin users, or hemophiliacs (requiring transfusions before there was a test of the blood supply). Of course, it turns out that the last vulnerability was the "fifth H"--being human.

The ways that it spreads are certainly not limited to gay sex. Gay men are merely the canaries in the coal mines as it were. Saw a post from a nurse or doctor(forget) with a photo of someone with an obvious outbreak riding the subway. He tried to tell him he had monkeypox and he needed to self isolate. But the guy insisted he didn't have it because he wasn't gay so it must be something else...

I often write about our first swap with a couple and my night alone with him. The next day I had a very uncomfortable bi experience, something I never wanted to do. I never had any sexual attraction to women and certainly had never planned to explore. As it was our first swing I just went along not wanting to ruin my experience from the night before. Over the years since that first time I have had contact with bi sex in very small doses. Normally it was done as part of another playtime thing. I became less afraid of being with a woman, still not giving totally to being bi. Our friend who we met on vacation years ago, our first and primary play partner was coming to NYC on business and said she was going to have free time and wanted to meet in the city for a Girl’s Day. She was on business and finished early and the weather was perfect. I agreed to meeting, we had become very good friends and I never spent time with her without our husbands. She booked a Mani/Pedi and massages for both of us. Her treat. Lunch outdoors in great restaurant, walking and talking. I always wondered if we were their first, I told her they were too relaxed that first time, she swore we were, they had agreed before the cruise that they would approach a couple. I told her how often I think about that night and how romantic her husband was. She told me they have played with others and she always thinks about her first also. A beautiful day, we had drinks at a rooftop bar and talked and talked. She mentioned that her hotel was great and invited me to stay the night. She read my body language as not being onboard, and said we would be alone, no putting on a show for the men. Give it a try, I could always leave. After big hesitant minutes, I gave into lust. My friend is a beautiful person, as romantic as her husband. With my inhibitions taken away, we made love for hours. Made love to a woman for our own benefit not for men watching us. I still don’t think I am bisexual, it was a magical day.

The quote below is taken from an opinion piece currently up on the NY Times website. (There’s a paywall, but if you register I think you can get a few free articles.) The main theme regards communicating risk to the gay community. Most of us on this board are aware that currently monkeypox is mostly confined to “men who have sex with men.” But the brief passage below caught my attention: “A two-page leaflet by German health authorities to inform the public about monkeypox does make clear that spread is happening in places like sex clubs.” I’ve never been to a gay sex club, but I expect the risk factors associated with intimate contact with strangers are similar to straight sex clubs. I won’t be surprised if monkeypox becomes a significant risk for anyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, who has sex with multiple partners. Just as njbm has repeatedly suggested that folks in this lifestyle who are age-eligible get vaccinated with the HPV vaccine, those of us who regularly have multiple sexual partners will probably well advised to get the monkeypox vaccine when it becomes more widely available.

We are the same. For me it's about trust. Everything a man wants to do with me requires me letting him be in my body. If I'm letting a person be inside me, I'd like to know him. Or I'd need to know a bottle of tequila very intimately. That works too lol. I didn't always have this rule but I do now.

At 15 my friend and I competed to be the first to be with a guy. I had boys “feel me up” and had one grind so much he left with a big stain. My friend dated an older boy, her brothers friend and she used to tell me what they did. I was kind of envious of her but too scared to do what she was doing. She told me he licked her and she gave him a blow job. I knew about all of that yet I was thinking how can you do it. She said it was fun and offered to do something to me, my first oral experience.

Amen to THIS!!!

You aren’t dense, you know what the difference is between sex with a man and sex with a woman. You enjoy sex with multi people, I enjoy being alone with one person. Sex with a man is very natural to me, something I have done my entire adult life. I know how to touch a man, I know what the men I have been with enjoy. I am still very new to pleasing another woman. It should come natural, I know what pleases me and try to replicate the things I respond to. I missed a man, a penis specifically. I know how to please a penis, how to touch a penis, how to orally caress a penis. I enjoy having a penis in me. Swapping has allowed me to enjoy the differences I had not enjoyed since marriage. I think most on here enjoy the newness of being with a different partner. The different touching, different scent, different taste and the different motions. My head between the legs of a woman is a foreign experience. I was looking at a body part differently than I ever did before. Differently than I ever saw my own. I saw this one before from this angle, just not the same way as this time, alone with her and not being watched. You would think you would know what to do distinctively.

I'm being dense, please explain. If it were me, I would miss having a man, either yours or one of mine. FFMs are my favorite. Having a second guy available is nice, but only after the first one leaves, which they can usually be persuaded to do after cumming.

It doesn't matter what you call it, so long as you enjoy it.

The night with her was very similar to a night with her husband with one major difference. When we first met and we swapped husbands I had a hard time liking her. She didn’t do anything to make me dislike, I enjoyed my time with her before the swap. I wasn’t ready for sexual advances by a woman. I had a very difficult time responding and even harder time touching her. Over time they became very close friends, at a distance, and I love spending time with them. I am a drop more comfortable with her sexually, not totally loving it. The things we have done were always part of other play we all did. This was the first time alone with her, no help from the men. I had a good time, you can guess the thing I missed most.

The FMF is a great fantasy. My reality was that it was pretty good but, and I know this sounds lazy, a LOT of work. With an FMF, I never have an orgasm. By the time both women are satisfied, I'm past the point of being able to come. And nearing the point of exhaustion. J is straight, so for her there isn't much to offer. MFM on the other hand is great. J can take on 2 guys a lot better than I can take on 2 ladies. Plus since she is straight and since I am bi, MFM works out much better.

For the record, we have done both.....and as a male, of course I love the idea of a FMF. However, it remained a fantasy for YEARS until Sasha gave it to me....on three different occasions. It was ok, but Sasha gets a little jealous & insecure watching the girl giving me pleasure, which doesn't allow me to truly relax and enjoy myself. In my past, I already had done the MFM's a few times. Sometimes it was my girl, sometimes I was the 3rd party. Either way, those were always fun. Sasha and I have now done the MFM thing a few times also and she really prefers playing with the boys. I am honestly fine with either one, as I have always told her that I get off by watching her get off. Simple as that. She is talented in the bedroom and very submissive, which makes it soooo much fun to watch her work on a cock and then get worked by a cock. I join in once I am ready and then the fun really starts. I'd love to try giving her me and 2 or 3 other guys at once. I think anything more than 4 would be too much of a good thing. I voted for MFM, because Sasha prefers it and that makes the show so much funner than the FMF show. Frank

MFM. I just love to see the lady totally pleased. I had a great evening with my couple last night. For me, it's the best. The husband agrees.

i Totally agree with shooter above. Having been a part of FMF & MFM, I agree that MMMF or MMMMF is even Better!! i could not really please both Women properly in the FMF! i have been in both...once even 8 guys to one Woman!! Of course me & two other guys were enjoying making sure that there were enough hard ons to keep the Woman happy...lol! That one i was invited to by my Mistress to make sure the guys that couldn't get to Her at any given time, had a warm place to put their hot cocks...my mouth! my ex-Wife had 4 guys and me a few times & Loved it!

omg i have always wanted to have my wife dp with 2 cocks at 1 time in her pussy shes a squirter between that and his and my cum what a snack

We have tried MFM several times at clubs and at homes, apartments etc. My wife love MFM I prefer FMF. Once in a while MFM is good when the other guy is bi, and want to experiment. The best we ever had was Vaginal DP, God did that feel good. The guy who introduced us to that knew what he was doing. I did not think two cocks could fit into one pussy. I also love creampie, and snowballing. At the Club, sometimes Eileen would go to a private room with a lover, and I would do her after she came out. She would tell me all the things they did, and I found that hot. At our Club, more action was FFM than MFM by a long shot. Otto & Eileen

I voted MFM. She's straight, so with FMF, there is too much "dead" time or loss of arousal for her... maybe with a different Female... and we're still open to try again, things would be different. With MFM, she was purring for hours on end. I've never seen or heard her in so much bliss as what two guys could continuously put her through. It is an incredible thing for us to experience! And the DP... I thought she was going to explode with ecstasy !!

I am a orally bi male so I picked mfm. The wife also says she hates to compet with another lady.But if we get the chance to have a fmf threesome we sure will not turn it down. The other thing is it is much easer to find a male partner than a female.

Having tried both we definitely pick the MFM - she gets all the attention, I get to stare and relax while passion is still flying all over and females can go on without resting. Occasionally we'll do the FMF just to brake the routine.

Wow, this was a tough call. I'm the man in the couple, and I chose an MFM. I'll explain why. You're in for the long answer. First, though, the other side of the coin. Yes, I'd love to be in a hot FMF. I imagine that few men wouldn't love the opportunity to kiss two women at the same time, to play with two naked female bodies at the same time, to have two women give him oral sex at the same time--the idea of two women's mouths on my cock at the same time is a big turn-on for me--and to be inside two women, right after another. I'm in a long-term relationship with a woman. We're not married, but we live together. My gf and I were playing one night. As we did foreplay, we talked. She invented a story about having us in an FMF threesome. The details she brought to the story were hot, and really raised our arousal level--especially mine! We've talked about FMFs many times, and she's said it'd turn her on seeing me with another woman. That's a pretty rare comment, I know. Now as we all know, there's another common aspect to a FMF. Do the women play together? My gf is straight. She has no interest in playing with another woman. But a couple times she's said that if we were having an FMF, she might not mind if the other woman touched her breasts. I don't think she'd like a woman to kiss her or give her oral sex, and I know she'd never do that to another woman--at least as of now. But a little breast play might be good. Would I be upset if we had an FMF and my gf let another woman touch her breasts? Heck, no! I'd find it a turn-on. And if she got carried away by all the good feelings and decided to reciprocate, I'd be happy to go with the flow. Back to MFMs. This is the swing fantasy my gf and I use most. I'd love seeing her with another man. I'd love sharing. I have two big fantasies about how it might happen. In one version, we'd start with MFM foreplay. Once we moved to the bedroom (or the bed, if in a hotel), I'd sit on the side, watching, as my gf enjoys her new lover. Sure, I'd be naked and playing with myself as I watch them. Then I'd join them for round two. In another version, both of us men would pleasure my gf from the start once in bed. I'd love to alternate having her suck me with him fucking her, and vice versa (with him wearing a condom for the fucking). My gf has said that it's a fantasy of hers to suck my cock while another guy is fucking her from behind. Hot! I've never had a threesome--my gf, either. But many years ago I did some heavy MFM foreplay. It never turned into a full-blown sex for a variety of reasons. But it was exciting kissing a woman while a friend was touching her breasts. It was fun touching her breasts while he was touching... And it was hot seeing him suck her nipples, seeing her response, and... Remembering those moments and transposing them to my gf makes me especially want an MFM. That's why I chose that option. Geo

I'm as straight as an arrow but I would prefer a MFM. As a young man I was told that the key to being a 'real man' was the ability to totally please a woman. I get a real turn on watching as well as being a part of the process of sending the Mrs into a state of sexual bliss. If that means bringing a toy into the process then fine. If it means that bringing another guy into the equation then that's fine too.

I would have to vote for mfm. that for us was our first experience, we tried it and at the time she was so overwhelmed with excitement and he seem to just shine like new metal and afterwards we went on as nothing ever happened. that was 12 years ago, we've enjoyed a couple of other males in our mfm play (both of us are straight) and even a couple of 4somes and fmf's, but still come back to this original mfm partner who out of all was the only one that a vanilla friend before we started, mainly because we all have grown to appreciate the real reason for indulging in this and why its enjoyable and that is to completely satisfy her and totally benefit more from her as a result of that for the both of us. for me personally I prefer mfm not just for that reason but I feel so completely overcome by my wife sexually and vice versa before we ever started that to do a mfm and to have that happening further that feeling for us and add to that the taboo of watching her completely consume him for pleasure rather giving him a blowjob or being very verbal from the throws of him fucking her and she is totally into that at that moment as she should be, is a tremendous turn on. mfm is the only way to go.

Our last 3-some experience was with a guy who used to be part of a couple. We didn't want to lose touch with him since he was such a nice guy and was very respectful of my wife when we did swing as a 4-some couple. We still had his number and (unlike the girl who left him), so we talked to him over a few months and finally got together at our place. The funny thing is that he really enjoyed watching me and my wife together! For example, my wife was on top and he was just touching her tush and spreading her cheeks, which was a turn-on. I actually thought he might ask for a DP, which we were open to but he didn't ask, (maybe next time!). Of course, I enjoyed watching my wife suck him or get eaten by him and I sat back for a little bit to watch them! I took pictures and will never forget that night as probably the best "group sex" we had! The switching between my wife and me to my wife and him all seemed to flow very nicely. Then I went doggie-style behind my wife as she sucked him, then we switched and he did anal on my wife as she sucked me! It was a beautiful site to see another guy's c*ck sliding between my wife's cheeks!!! We can't understand why his old girlfriend left, he so nice and respectful and looks for nice quality, fit women. But that's okay because we have a great guy for future MFM 3-somes! He's looking for a girlfriend that can be into this lifestyle so hopefully in the future we can have a 4-some outside the club, but for now a MFM 3-some will do fine

I'd have to say a FMF. First, for the obvious reasons a guy would want two women. Second, I would love to see Lovinhim fullfill a fantasy of having another woman and I'd be happy to "fill in" when needed. The ideal would be with another couple where everybody could be the center of attention at least once. FMF, then MFM, another FMF, then another MFM. Finish off with a FMFM Then sleep for two days.

I chose MFM for the simple reason that I am a bi male. An MFM threesome where the other male is also bi is very exciting and erotic for both Jo and I. She loves to watch me and the other guy playing together and always gets very turned on by man-to-man oral sex. She also has the benefit of two tongues and two penises to give her plenty of pleasure. For me the opportunity to play with a penis and a pussy is a very satisfying and enjoyable experience. And of course there are various combinations of the three players to be experienced and enjoyed.