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Might get up and go pee and get a drink too

The only way we are playing with just male half of a couple is if we have met and played with the other couple first. Then, if that wife gives her hubby a hall pass - maybe we will play with him alone. This happened some years ago. We played with a couple and had a great experience so we arranged a follow-up date. They called at the last minute, they lost their babysitter and said only one of them can come to play - who would we like? We said 'surprise us'. We had a great time with the hubs...

Missus Enhancer choices the people she will and will not have sex with and she is picky! She would not be impressed at all if I brought some random dude home expecting her to have sex with. Good luck.

I wouldn't recommend 'surprising' her with another man...you and the other man might be the ones getting surprised! I would just talk with her and ask her if she is interested in trying a MFM again.

It did. We had one more night in town and met the two of them again for cocktails, and moved right into full swap in our hotel room. We were ready. We also met both couples as a group in hotels and the couples individually a few times after, until the pandemic. The wives are all good text friends. We're just now getting into traveling again and need to go see them again when the weather cools off.

Reading this thread, I felt like I already responded to it, but apparently not. Maybe I told you this story elsewhere, OP, but your fact pattern here is very similar to another ongoing play relationship we've had. A few years back, a friend and neighbor in Mrs. E's personal life went through a divorce and spent some time exploring things she'd missed. She met a guy she really liked for regular casual sex, and at one point, approached Mrs. E fishing around if she had any thoughts on FMF threesomes. It gradually came together that she'd never done it and wanted to arrange one for the guy she liked as a treat. We liked the idea and Mrs. E suggested a trade, which she was game for, but asked about it here and got some good advice to be careful. I think that was smart, these were untested waters with a vanilla person. We ended up declining, but she wanted to try with us anyway now that she'd gotten it into her head to see what it was like. We went with that, then did it some more. Mrs. E was having fun with her friend and kind of enjoying the role of loaning me out. We more or less ended up in the neighbor's date night rotation of partners. Eventually, though, the opportunity came up again to reciprocate, make it a birthday surprise for him, and this time we went through with it, now that we knew her more intimately and had built up some trust. The agreed condition was the opposite, though, that I wanted to know everything that happened in detail when she came back. Boy, did I get the details.

Yeah, kind of presumptive and maybe revealing about OP's concerns in asking? Once or twice Mrs. E has played "look but don't touch" when we pick up a third, but she communicates that clearly in advance.

I've mentioned it before, but a big discrepancy in our vision for this was whether we'd find a stranger to test the waters with or bring in someone we knew well in vanilla life. I was strongly in the "stunt cock" camp, she much preferred to blow someone we knew. She is a trusting person, where I felt that was an invitation to ongoing drama in our circle of friends, versus someone we could meet in a hotel setting and delete forever if need be. Simultaneously, she was getting back in touch with an old friend from a much earlier stage of her life. She and her husband from that time had since moved out west and then split up, but had had a child together, stayed in touch, and eventually resumed their sex life living separately. One day, in the course of gossip, her old friend clarified that they were not exclusive, and that sometimes they now played together with others. Mrs. E, a little scandalized, had questions and let it slip that I was encouraging her to try the same thing. She knew them. She thought the ex-husband was attractive. They had experience with this and were unlikely to make it weird. This was ticking a lot of boxes. That started a long process of kicking the idea around that eventually led to us being invited to their house to hang out with a third couple by the pool, and me watching Mrs. E suck off her ex-husband. As it turned out, the ex-husband used to have a terrible hard-on for Mrs. E when she used to babysit their kid, and to say this was a fantasy of his too was a big understatement. We went into it hesitantly, with a hard boundary on soft swap for the night and knowing we might just have to leave, but we liked it enough that we ended up doing her first spitroast a couple hours later that night, me behind her while she went down on the other husband, the first time she'd ever given a man head the same day she met them. I think if it weren't for that series of events, we might still just be talking about it.

Depends on the situation, I try to be sensitive to the others needs and desires, but I'm a joiner by nature. If I can be helpful, I pitch in. It seems that us women are more like that compared to the guys, who need recovery time.

We effectively started with an open relationship. We were friends, I was attracted and trying to do my thing, but she was very intimidated by the idea of casual sex and thought getting involved with me, knowing what I was up to as a single guy, would be too radical. Eventually, nature took its course, but it took some time to transition to a committed relationship. So during that time, we were both transparent that we were dating and fucking other people. So a few years of monogamy later, she was giving me head and I mentioned how hot I thought it would be to watch to suck another cock. She was surprised and a little confused but kept going with the fantasy until I came, then we didn't mention it again. About a week later we were coming back from groceries and when I pulled into the driveway, she paused and started asking questions. "So what would that be like, that fantasy you mentioned? Like someone we know or a stranger? Is it like a big porn dick in your imagination? I think I could probably get into this." It took a couple more years of talking, testing boundaries, and a very fortunate coincidence before it happened.

I don't like the term "disturb" in this situation. I would prefer "join them." But then my play style is for all 4 (or 6 or 8) be interactive with each other.

Repeating a past story, I've had only one "what the hell are we doing?" moment. Before we met, my wife had a number of male and female lovers/sex partners, but never a threesome. When we married and first got into the lifestyle it was with only her playing alone, then after a while me joining them for occasional MFMs, including DP. All of it was hot and exciting for me until the first time she had pussy/anal DP where I wasn't one of the guys in her. Although I was fucking another woman at the time (we had since moved on to closed couples play) I had to stop and watch. All three of them eventually orgasmed. For me, it was hot but also unsettling. Since then it is one of the most memorable times seeing my wife have sex, and when she occasionally does it again, I look forward to it. BTW, Daniela didn't/doesn't see it as anything special.

We met a group of swingers on a Carribean vacation when we were in our thirties. We were not ready for It, but it piqued our interest. Went to a local club, not ready. Went to Desire, dabbled. Went to Trapeze, played. Went to hotel parties, house parties, cruises. Have a lot of varied and fun experiences. More the male’s idea. My wife is very in shape and attractive. In great demand.

Our hubbies suddenly have a new passion. When finished the first time, us girls cleaning up our pussies is not allowed. They like to fuck the pussy the other has filled before. We have no problems with that because we get our fun. Both hubbies said it is evidence that their close friendship is working. Let us know your experience. Sometimes men are indeed...

After having a Ménage a Trois with the wife of our new friends it was decided that Debbie would join them without me. Quid pro quo. This is the couple that Debbie dated him in college and we found on a swinger date site. I’m still not that confident in myself watching her with anyone and though he is a great guy who I can now call my friend I still couldn’t stop thinking. Debbie is still exploring her own sexuality and bi side and I was hoping that was going to be the main sexual acts even when I knew it wasn’t. I know I can trust her after we had our previous meetings. In our brief experience in swinging we always talked after thanks to recommendations from many on here. When Debbie came home I wanted to know how it went and asked questions. I promised myself not to ask the was it better and it slipped. We had made a deal to never ask that and then on her first time without me involved I asked.

Never say 'better', just different. I'm sure that you are 'better' at other things...I mean different.

An insightful remark on several accounts. 1. Someone has to have the idea first. The other member of the couple has to warm to it. Then the toe goes into the water. 2. What happens next is almost always the product of "what actually happened" and then the debrief over the next few days. 3. While the actual proportion is likely different in different situations, sustained friendships among LS couples seems to depend strongly on whether the ladies (a) like each other and (b) find common ground in their vanilla interests and lives. Both of those are good things, but sometimes the importance of that component of the LS is underrecognized and undervalued. 4. Travel "to" and travel "with" other couples seems to evolve as a priority. Looking forward to those visits/travels, making plans, and so on--setting aside time for the pleasure of each others' company --is rarely discussed yet is for us an unexpected joy.

There's a category missing in this questionnaire. Initially I thought that my wife and I got the idea at the same time. Later I found that swinging with friends was planned ahead by my wife and our friends. The category should be "tricked into it".

Me and my swing partner would exit to another room to let them have some privacy to get things done. Unless they invite us to stay and join in.

Hi Nikki here i would say for a orgasm it depends on us if we are interested for it or not. Even a touch can make you wet if you are into it. Its the passion and willingness. Sometimes my husband can give me orgasm but sometimes it doesn’t happen, even if we are swinging and the other male lacks the passion during the sex the orgasm doesn’t happen it is not about size or vaginal penetration

Hi, this is Daniela. Since you prefer answers from women, Al asked me to answer. First, I can certify that all of my orgasms are "genuine" and can be achieved by vaginal penetration alone. Size, rhythm and speed all figure into it, but no single thing is determinative. Some guys can get me there faster (or just take a lot longer, as Al does) than others so I can orgasm twice with one guy in one ejaculation, but regardless, I almost always can get myself there with regular dick in my pussy fucking. But that's only part of the story with our current sex life arrangement, I much prefer joining another couple or have another woman join us so I can also get satisfaction for my bi desires.

I have to play with myself to cum in sex. Hubby on top, while I play with myself is my favorite way to cum. I don't usually cum swinging. I still enjoy it.

Forget about the size of other men it doesn’t make him better or worse. I see you mention size in other posts too where most women never mention it. Be happy she orgasmed because she is happy. If it’s only by oral with you make sure you do it for her. Don’t over try getting her off with penetration putting more pressure on both of you. If she is satisfied you will be satisfied.

Most guys I know saw their first pussy in porn someone’s parents had hidden.

So you are qualified to speak for your wife, but other spouses are not? I will be sure not to respond to your threads anymore then.

Missus Enhancer has orgasms from both oral and penetration quite easily! It is normal for her to cum up to 20 times or more in a good session! Size has no bearing on how many times she does. Quality of lover does.

Husbands (dreaming) hoping to talk her into it. Or, she (if she exists) has zero idea, and you call his bluff - fantasy over...

One other suggestion. Go to a clothed, vanilla meet and greet. You get that in person feel for people, but no compulsion to hop into bed. We communicated with people on SLS who were going to a meet and greet. Other couples’ in person behavior was much different than their profiles or correspondence. You can separate the wheat from the chaff in less than five minutes in person. And since there are many people, you can move on if a couple doesn’t click with you.

Just as long as his wife remains involved in every aspect. We never recommend playing with people that we have had 'feelings' for in the past, but since you have moved past that, I would just make sure that your wife and her husband are not communicating without his wife also being in the loop (and the same goes for you and his wife)...just a safety thing. So why haven't the four of you played together? There's really nothing better than having friends that you can do vanilla and 'pineapple' things with.

My advice is to find a swingers web site/s & look for couples & singles open to what you are looking for. There are a fair number of couples where they play seperately or are open to the lady 'dating' other women. I use Swinger Zone Central. A lot of club patrons are on it, & I suspect on the other swinger sites. Have to say I am curious how a committed lesbian decided to take on a male as a long term partner. Sounds romantic.

Exactly. Thank you for your response, especially because your opinion very closely parallels my own. To be clear though, I don't intentionally leave the men out in the cold, as you so aptly put it. My man is very capable, and encouraged to secure his own entertainment, if playing together is not an option. I just COMPLETELY understand the reticence of most men...I don't want to play with you both,just her...but please let my man and myself play with your wife. Because that's totally fair, right?

I am bisexual. I have erotic dreams about women as much as I do men. I prefer lesbian porn opposed to heterosexual. I have felt attraction to both boys and girls since early childhood, before I even knew what sex was. The more I read about sexuality classifications the more I come to realize that between hetero and gay, there are worlds of gray all of which are classified as bisexual. Heteroflexible and Homoflexible narrow down which side of Ambisexual that you swing. Ambisexual, being the rarest, a person truly attracted equally to both sexes, often accepting of transsexuals and hermaphrodites. I truly believe that I fall into this category. Despite never dating those of the miscellaneous sexual identities, I fall lustily for the person, their body as a piece of art, and have had passionate relationships in hot straight and lesbian worlds. With my own experiences, and finding a lack of place, and pressure to claim straight or gay, I rejoice in being able to shout BI!! And don't judge anyone who identifies with that title. If they find power in it, but are just "party bi" girls, more power to em. I'll go only as far as they want me to, and then play with the men, because I like them too . And yes I too can spot a lesbian from a full bi from a party bi, and I'll make out with them all.

I identify as straight, but enjoy g/g play for the eroticism. I list myself straight, but clarify my interests within our profile. I think my own sexuality has always been explorative and I had my first bisexual experience when I was 10, much before my first heterosexual experience...I think opportunity was the factor there. But, I continued to experiment with bisexuality from time to time as well - in my teens, in my 20's and again now. I find the female body to be art in motion - just as I do a male body, each with it's own secrets and attraction. Am I bisexual - no. Am I heteroflexible or a result of the swinging environment - yes, that's more accurate.

I love seconds. I love pregnant/ovulating wives that take-the-chance. Very erotic.

It's a major turn-on! Once I was fucked by four guys at the same time. They took turn to fill me up with their cum into my pussy! When it came to the third guy, things got a bit messy! Cum was starting to splashing all over the bed sheet and between my legs! I just love the feeling of a lubricated big hard dick inside my love canal!

Being a women I can tell you that it is a major turn-on.

My sister in law has given me head, while my wife sucked on my balls. Since then she has done three of my brothers. We all are very close and have a good relationship. We married at 17 and 18, been married for 27 years now. One brother still has sex with her, occasionally her sister gives me head. It has slowed down quite a bit, but we had a lot of fun in our younger years.

In California, we swung with my wife's sister and her husband quite a bit. That relationship was established with wife and her ex, and in fact pre-dated any of their marriages. Whereas wife's ex had had some problems with both SIL and BIL, with us, it was really good relations all the way around. This, by the way, was the couple with whom I had my first experience ever swinging. It really is nice when you can get into with a couple like my in-laws. They're really great. And for sisters, they get along delightfully well. Mother in law and father in law were long time swingers too.

Husband of the pair here - When I was 17, I had very unexpected sex with my girlfriend's mom. Not very proud of it, I was pretty helpless to her seduction and it was pretty amazing to a young guy only a year or so into sex. Downside to the story? I found out a little later that it was revenge sex after finding out my girlfriend had given a blowjob to her mom's boyfriend. Talk about messed up! I got out of the situation very quickly.

My wife goes bareback with two men and it's a turn-on for me when she's filled. I'm not gay or bi but I love to eat her pussy after she's been with another guy.

One of my husband'a favorite things is fucking me shortly after another man has cum inside me. I've got to say - I like it too!

I knew my old girl friend had her secrets. One day she called me to give her a ride. I guess the friend she was with could only get her to my house. She walks in and we hang out. She loves to have her tits played with. Anytime anywhere. So I give them a playful rub and instantly she was HOT. We played for awhile but she kept her legs almost crossed. A first with her -- even with her period she loves a good finger or two. She knew I was probing and just had this strange look. I simply sat up and asked what was up? She look a deep breath and said she wasn't clean. And explained that she went over to a friend's house to drop off her ex's sleeping bag to his old buddy and after a couple drinks did him three times over several hours. He had to head up to Big Bear and ask her to join him. She had just been boned three times, but knew this was to have been a guys' trip. He said she would have a lot more fun if she came up with him. Well that explained the drop off. I guess I was simply on his way out of town and she did not want to be the group fuck toy. I was pissed, and had one set of blue balls all at the same time. I went in to pig mode and simply began to work her pants off. She protested a bit that she should really go wash. It just made me want to see more. I worked off her shorts and panties and left them in a ball around her feet. She was HOT and squirming. I resumed kissing and fondling her breasts. It did not take long and her legs were relaxed with one knee up and bent. I kissed and lick my way down to the top of her bush. She pulled up both her legs and I pulled back for my first view of cum simply flowing out her slit. I had no desire lick her, and simply reached up and in one motion slipped in three fingers. I worked her through her first couple of orgasms and she had done a great job of keeping me stiff one handed. I smeared my sticky hand all over her breasts then literally rammed her. There was no love in this. She wrapped her legs around me and I pounded her to an all time memorable release. We did it a couple more times into the evening and that was the last night I was with her. I was young and she just wasn't the same to me, but I'll never forget.

My husband and I have swapped with my sister and her husband several times.

My wife had a b/f for about ten years, a very close friend before I met her, but not then a sex partner. When we ventured into the lifestyle, she called him and she saw him off and on for ten years. This was prior to HIV. He was our first venture into the lifestyle, she went to him, and she spent hours with him and came home to me. We were both very excited and we were undressing her as she recounted the evening and at one point, she started pushing me down, and down. When it dawned on me what she wanted.... duh.... it drove me nuts, the idea of eating her and the fact that she wanted it. I'd never see her that excited in all the time we'd been married. And, of course, in other ventures she always preferred our guest go first. Who was I to argue? She just loved the idea of someone else's cum being there before me.

I don't know why, but eating out a filled pussy is really sexy. So is slipping a cock into a well oiled cunny. We would always get it on at home before going to bed, and that was when Eileen would give me a cunny kiss, and bring her muff to my mouth. Sexy. One aside -- I have gone down on a number of women on "sloppy seconds" and I don't think you can really tell much in the way of taste. It is more an erotic experience. Maybe it is the wickedness of it all.

Former girlfriend came to my house with a pussy full of a friend of her's cum. As we were fucking I told her that I could tell she had somebody else's cum in her and she was quite surprised that I could tell. After that session I would encourage her to tell me whenever she fucked her friend, where he came, and how it felt. We had some pretty interesting sex after that!!!

I just love to eat or fuck my wife after she has been filled with a couple of loads. Her favorite is for me to cum in her while the other couple's man cums in her mouth. Then as I deep kiss my wife to share his cum, his lady eats my cum out of her pussy. Then she deep kisses and shares with my wife. Regular cum-fest. Drives my wife crazy. Only do this with people we KNOW are safe.

We are nearing 60 and remember well the days when HIV was unknown. We always have enjoyed this aspect of a MFM threesome, and continued it for years with select partners whom we knew very well. There are several aspects to this which we find especially pleasurable. One, me, is watching a man orgasm in my wife, and then entering her and feeling the hot fresh cum against my penis. Another is feeling her cum again fast because she's still hot from his fucking. And another is ejaculating into a cum-filled pussy; it's a turn-on! In our younger days our male friends and I liked to alternate and keep her going while we got some time to recover between cumming. Unfortunately, these days are long gone, though fond memories.

90% of the time my wife Aimee goes bareback, which is a lot, several times a week with other men we meet. I love to have sloppy 2nds even 5ths or more. Feels great and yes I do eat the creampies occasionally and I am not gay or bi.

I have done it with my wife after she has been with her BF many times & enjoyed it. He was in a bad marriage & hadn't had sex in several years. He was checked out & was STD free, so my wife decided to start barebacking with him. I have barebaked the occational woman who hasn't made the rounds so to speak as well.