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Might get up and go pee and get a drink too

The only way we are playing with just male half of a couple is if we have met and played with the other couple first. Then, if that wife gives her hubby a hall pass - maybe we will play with him alone. This happened some years ago. We played with a couple and had a great experience so we arranged a follow-up date. They called at the last minute, they lost their babysitter and said only one of them can come to play - who would we like? We said 'surprise us'. We had a great time with the hubs...

Missus Enhancer choices the people she will and will not have sex with and she is picky! She would not be impressed at all if I brought some random dude home expecting her to have sex with. Good luck.

I wouldn't recommend 'surprising' her with another man...you and the other man might be the ones getting surprised! I would just talk with her and ask her if she is interested in trying a MFM again.

It did. We had one more night in town and met the two of them again for cocktails, and moved right into full swap in our hotel room. We were ready. We also met both couples as a group in hotels and the couples individually a few times after, until the pandemic. The wives are all good text friends. We're just now getting into traveling again and need to go see them again when the weather cools off.

Reading this thread, I felt like I already responded to it, but apparently not. Maybe I told you this story elsewhere, OP, but your fact pattern here is very similar to another ongoing play relationship we've had. A few years back, a friend and neighbor in Mrs. E's personal life went through a divorce and spent some time exploring things she'd missed. She met a guy she really liked for regular casual sex, and at one point, approached Mrs. E fishing around if she had any thoughts on FMF threesomes. It gradually came together that she'd never done it and wanted to arrange one for the guy she liked as a treat. We liked the idea and Mrs. E suggested a trade, which she was game for, but asked about it here and got some good advice to be careful. I think that was smart, these were untested waters with a vanilla person. We ended up declining, but she wanted to try with us anyway now that she'd gotten it into her head to see what it was like. We went with that, then did it some more. Mrs. E was having fun with her friend and kind of enjoying the role of loaning me out. We more or less ended up in the neighbor's date night rotation of partners. Eventually, though, the opportunity came up again to reciprocate, make it a birthday surprise for him, and this time we went through with it, now that we knew her more intimately and had built up some trust. The agreed condition was the opposite, though, that I wanted to know everything that happened in detail when she came back. Boy, did I get the details.

Yeah, kind of presumptive and maybe revealing about OP's concerns in asking? Once or twice Mrs. E has played "look but don't touch" when we pick up a third, but she communicates that clearly in advance.

I've mentioned it before, but a big discrepancy in our vision for this was whether we'd find a stranger to test the waters with or bring in someone we knew well in vanilla life. I was strongly in the "stunt cock" camp, she much preferred to blow someone we knew. She is a trusting person, where I felt that was an invitation to ongoing drama in our circle of friends, versus someone we could meet in a hotel setting and delete forever if need be. Simultaneously, she was getting back in touch with an old friend from a much earlier stage of her life. She and her husband from that time had since moved out west and then split up, but had had a child together, stayed in touch, and eventually resumed their sex life living separately. One day, in the course of gossip, her old friend clarified that they were not exclusive, and that sometimes they now played together with others. Mrs. E, a little scandalized, had questions and let it slip that I was encouraging her to try the same thing. She knew them. She thought the ex-husband was attractive. They had experience with this and were unlikely to make it weird. This was ticking a lot of boxes. That started a long process of kicking the idea around that eventually led to us being invited to their house to hang out with a third couple by the pool, and me watching Mrs. E suck off her ex-husband. As it turned out, the ex-husband used to have a terrible hard-on for Mrs. E when she used to babysit their kid, and to say this was a fantasy of his too was a big understatement. We went into it hesitantly, with a hard boundary on soft swap for the night and knowing we might just have to leave, but we liked it enough that we ended up doing her first spitroast a couple hours later that night, me behind her while she went down on the other husband, the first time she'd ever given a man head the same day she met them. I think if it weren't for that series of events, we might still just be talking about it.

Depends on the situation, I try to be sensitive to the others needs and desires, but I'm a joiner by nature. If I can be helpful, I pitch in. It seems that us women are more like that compared to the guys, who need recovery time.

We effectively started with an open relationship. We were friends, I was attracted and trying to do my thing, but she was very intimidated by the idea of casual sex and thought getting involved with me, knowing what I was up to as a single guy, would be too radical. Eventually, nature took its course, but it took some time to transition to a committed relationship. So during that time, we were both transparent that we were dating and fucking other people. So a few years of monogamy later, she was giving me head and I mentioned how hot I thought it would be to watch to suck another cock. She was surprised and a little confused but kept going with the fantasy until I came, then we didn't mention it again. About a week later we were coming back from groceries and when I pulled into the driveway, she paused and started asking questions. "So what would that be like, that fantasy you mentioned? Like someone we know or a stranger? Is it like a big porn dick in your imagination? I think I could probably get into this." It took a couple more years of talking, testing boundaries, and a very fortunate coincidence before it happened.

I don't like the term "disturb" in this situation. I would prefer "join them." But then my play style is for all 4 (or 6 or 8) be interactive with each other.

Repeating a past story, I've had only one "what the hell are we doing?" moment. Before we met, my wife had a number of male and female lovers/sex partners, but never a threesome. When we married and first got into the lifestyle it was with only her playing alone, then after a while me joining them for occasional MFMs, including DP. All of it was hot and exciting for me until the first time she had pussy/anal DP where I wasn't one of the guys in her. Although I was fucking another woman at the time (we had since moved on to closed couples play) I had to stop and watch. All three of them eventually orgasmed. For me, it was hot but also unsettling. Since then it is one of the most memorable times seeing my wife have sex, and when she occasionally does it again, I look forward to it. BTW, Daniela didn't/doesn't see it as anything special.

We met a group of swingers on a Carribean vacation when we were in our thirties. We were not ready for It, but it piqued our interest. Went to a local club, not ready. Went to Desire, dabbled. Went to Trapeze, played. Went to hotel parties, house parties, cruises. Have a lot of varied and fun experiences. More the male’s idea. My wife is very in shape and attractive. In great demand.

After having a Ménage a Trois with the wife of our new friends it was decided that Debbie would join them without me. Quid pro quo. This is the couple that Debbie dated him in college and we found on a swinger date site. I’m still not that confident in myself watching her with anyone and though he is a great guy who I can now call my friend I still couldn’t stop thinking. Debbie is still exploring her own sexuality and bi side and I was hoping that was going to be the main sexual acts even when I knew it wasn’t. I know I can trust her after we had our previous meetings. In our brief experience in swinging we always talked after thanks to recommendations from many on here. When Debbie came home I wanted to know how it went and asked questions. I promised myself not to ask the was it better and it slipped. We had made a deal to never ask that and then on her first time without me involved I asked.

Never say 'better', just different. I'm sure that you are 'better' at other things...I mean different.

An insightful remark on several accounts. 1. Someone has to have the idea first. The other member of the couple has to warm to it. Then the toe goes into the water. 2. What happens next is almost always the product of "what actually happened" and then the debrief over the next few days. 3. While the actual proportion is likely different in different situations, sustained friendships among LS couples seems to depend strongly on whether the ladies (a) like each other and (b) find common ground in their vanilla interests and lives. Both of those are good things, but sometimes the importance of that component of the LS is underrecognized and undervalued. 4. Travel "to" and travel "with" other couples seems to evolve as a priority. Looking forward to those visits/travels, making plans, and so on--setting aside time for the pleasure of each others' company --is rarely discussed yet is for us an unexpected joy.

I know that Lora and Clair are "better" than me in certain aspects, and at certain times hubby and Red would rather be with one of them for sex than me. But that's ok, that's why we're not monogamous. Besides, I get the credit anyway when hubby gets a good screw from another woman. I love hearing the details, getting jealous, and getting him back.

There's a category missing in this questionnaire. Initially I thought that my wife and I got the idea at the same time. Later I found that swinging with friends was planned ahead by my wife and our friends. The category should be "tricked into it".

Me and my swing partner would exit to another room to let them have some privacy to get things done. Unless they invite us to stay and join in.

Hi Nikki here i would say for a orgasm it depends on us if we are interested for it or not. Even a touch can make you wet if you are into it. Its the passion and willingness. Sometimes my husband can give me orgasm but sometimes it doesn’t happen, even if we are swinging and the other male lacks the passion during the sex the orgasm doesn’t happen it is not about size or vaginal penetration

Forget about the size of other men it doesn’t make him better or worse. I see you mention size in other posts too where most women never mention it. Be happy she orgasmed because she is happy. If it’s only by oral with you make sure you do it for her. Don’t over try getting her off with penetration putting more pressure on both of you. If she is satisfied you will be satisfied.

Most guys I know saw their first pussy in porn someone’s parents had hidden.

So you are qualified to speak for your wife, but other spouses are not? I will be sure not to respond to your threads anymore then.

I can orgasm orally, by toy or penetration. The intensity is about the same but can vary at times. I don’t think size matters much, my toy is bigger and it doesn’t make that much of a difference, I don’t even have to insert the toy. Inserting a finger during oral might make a difference even if it’s not needed. What does make a difference is both of us orgasming together.

Missus Enhancer has orgasms from both oral and penetration quite easily! It is normal for her to cum up to 20 times or more in a good session! Size has no bearing on how many times she does. Quality of lover does.

I agree with the others is suspecting a lot of the flaking is a husband running too far ahead of the wife. Not to say we haven't encountered a situation where the man backs off at the last minute, usually it is the man jumping the gun. Of course, that is assuming you're dealing with a real couple to begin with.

Husbands (dreaming) hoping to talk her into it. Or, she (if she exists) has zero idea, and you call his bluff - fantasy over...

We feel you. Seedy strip clubs, bar takeovers, and other "speed dating" group events never appealed to us, either. Frankly, those kinds of social circumstances are completely antithetical to our attitudes about the lifestyle and what we want out of it. We can begin with the fact these events, by definition, require forfeiting of our right to privacy, an instant Do Not Pass Go for us. We always placed a higher value on quality over quantity. And that attitude has served us quite well over the years. True, it means we possibly--probably--missed out on some opportunities for fun. On the other hand, we've managed to avoid a lot of the problems and horror stories many swingers encounter when they just throw a bunch of mud at the wall and see what sticks. We prospected with a laser beam rather than road flares. To that end, it helped that we were very clear in what were looking for in other couples (and what we weren't.) If you don't know what you're really looking for, it's very easy to get pulled in many different directions, most of which lead you nowhere. And we were never desperate. Our sex life was exciting and rewarding enough that we never felt like we were "missing out" on anything. Yes, we looked forward to making the right lifestyle connections, but we were patient and secure in the knowledge that our time would eventually come. And it did. When it comes to any on-line lifestyle community, paid or unpaid, you have to understand that many, if not most, profiles are fakes. Rather than be disappointed by this fact, you have to simply accept it. It is reality. And "certifications" mean next to nothing. In fact, we generally saw them as negatives, not positives. To be successful with the on-line approach, you have to see it as purely a numbers game. Your job is to eliminate as many false flags and fake profiles, as quickly as possible, as you can. Rather than trying to find the needle in the haystack, makes yourselves into a magnet and let the needle come to you. What we found is that, by being incredibly clear in what we were looking for and announcing it right on our profile, we discovered there were other people looking for the same. They were just as turned off by the "speed dating" and seedy lifestyle underbelly as were we. But, there were no shortcuts. Eventually, we canceled our fully paid lifetime SLS profile. By our calculus, the number of fakes and time wasters had multiplied to the point that it was no longer worth the effort. And, by then, we had cultivated a wonderful little closed circle of lifestyle friends who gave us everything we needed, and vice versa. We've never been into notching our bedposts, always looking for the next conquests. Good sex begins largely as an intellectual exercise, anyway, so finding people we genuinely liked and were attracted to provided us with many hours of enjoyable playtime and care-free sexual experimentation. Hope our story was helpful to you. And good luck.

Just as long as his wife remains involved in every aspect. We never recommend playing with people that we have had 'feelings' for in the past, but since you have moved past that, I would just make sure that your wife and her husband are not communicating without his wife also being in the loop (and the same goes for you and his wife)...just a safety thing. So why haven't the four of you played together? There's really nothing better than having friends that you can do vanilla and 'pineapple' things with.

Hiya all, sorry for the long delay for a update, For people that are curious about what happen. We took our daughter to her first swinger club party last week. It went very well. she seems to enjoyed herself,. We made sure that her first time going, she just goes there and talk and get used of her surroundings. It was also our first time going back to the club since COVID started, Feb 2020. It was nice to see the old gang. Many new faces as well. Many were quite surprised to see that we brought are daughter to the club. Many ask our permission " to play" with her and to see if were ok with it. We told them, if she wanted to, she old enough to make her choice. We went again the following day. This time we left her to her own accord. Again she seem to enjoyed herself. The following few day we left her to her own accord and left her to enjoy herself. She went to some of special events of the club, that she was interested in. That all for now. If people what more information about it, just ask. Just we wont share intimate details about it. Talk to you all soon. bye-bye

Interesting that we started this thread 4 years ago, and to see the paucity of responses. Glad it was rediscovered.

Exactly. Thank you for your response, especially because your opinion very closely parallels my own. To be clear though, I don't intentionally leave the men out in the cold, as you so aptly put it. My man is very capable, and encouraged to secure his own entertainment, if playing together is not an option. I just COMPLETELY understand the reticence of most men...I don't want to play with you both,just her...but please let my man and myself play with your wife. Because that's totally fair, right?

I am bisexual. I have erotic dreams about women as much as I do men. I prefer lesbian porn opposed to heterosexual. I have felt attraction to both boys and girls since early childhood, before I even knew what sex was. The more I read about sexuality classifications the more I come to realize that between hetero and gay, there are worlds of gray all of which are classified as bisexual. Heteroflexible and Homoflexible narrow down which side of Ambisexual that you swing. Ambisexual, being the rarest, a person truly attracted equally to both sexes, often accepting of transsexuals and hermaphrodites. I truly believe that I fall into this category. Despite never dating those of the miscellaneous sexual identities, I fall lustily for the person, their body as a piece of art, and have had passionate relationships in hot straight and lesbian worlds. With my own experiences, and finding a lack of place, and pressure to claim straight or gay, I rejoice in being able to shout BI!! And don't judge anyone who identifies with that title. If they find power in it, but are just "party bi" girls, more power to em. I'll go only as far as they want me to, and then play with the men, because I like them too . And yes I too can spot a lesbian from a full bi from a party bi, and I'll make out with them all.

I identify as straight, but enjoy g/g play for the eroticism. I list myself straight, but clarify my interests within our profile. I think my own sexuality has always been explorative and I had my first bisexual experience when I was 10, much before my first heterosexual experience...I think opportunity was the factor there. But, I continued to experiment with bisexuality from time to time as well - in my teens, in my 20's and again now. I find the female body to be art in motion - just as I do a male body, each with it's own secrets and attraction. Am I bisexual - no. Am I heteroflexible or a result of the swinging environment - yes, that's more accurate.

I love seconds. I love pregnant/ovulating wives that take-the-chance. Very erotic.

On the receiving end of a throbbing cock inseminating me...well...I just love to feel the warm cum..BUT having multiple partners...I LOVE IT...the extra semen is a natural lubricant... but what I fantasize about is all the sperm swimming around in me....and love the squishy sounds from the sex with all the cum in me. The sheets do get wet but hey...the sex is wild.

Being a women I can tell you that it is a major turn-on.

Yes. With Mrs. HMR's oldest sister. She came up just for the weekend, we went out and ran in to a swinging friend of ours, the rest is history.

I have had sex with both of my ex's brothers and after we divorced I found out that he had had an affair with my mom while we were living with her after he got out of the military.

My husband and I have swapped with my sister and her husband several times.

Why did I get hard reading that one?

Dawn's sister lived with us for a while before we married, and she used to watch us have sex fairly often (we hardly ever closed the bedroom door ). Her sister gave me head a couple of times (at Dawn's urging) while I fingered her. We showered together probably 15-20 times, although nothing happened. We were usually in a hurry to go somewhere and only showered together so we wouldn't run out of hot water. I never got to go down on her and we never had intercourse. I did kiss her by mistake once. When Dawn and I first started dating, I went to pick her up and her sister answered the door. It was dark, and I thought it was Dawn (at the time, they looked almost like twins), and just stepped in and kissed her, and she sure as hell kissed back. I thought something was amiss because her tongue felt like a cat's tongue (no, I haven't been kissing cats ). When I stepped back and saw it was her, I said, "I'm sorry." She said, "I'm not." What can I say, Dawn comes from a strange family.

I had sex with one of my former wives aunts. I was separated from my wife, soon to be divorced. I was in my early twenties, she was about 35. She was hot and used flirt with me a lot. I never took it serious until one day it happened.

My step mom gave me a hand job. And that sounds really gross but my dad has had 5 wives. This was #3. I was 17, she was 24. They had been married about 2 months. They divorced after 2 years. She was hot, I was in high school. Sorry.

My wife and I were very fortunate to have our regular threesome partner live with us for around four years. One of the benefits was we only had to use condoms when we had another person or couple join us. He and I both liked "sloppy seconds" and we'd pretend to argue about who's turn it was to cum first so the other got to enjoy the well lubed pussy. The wife thought we were both really perverted. She was absolutely correct about that...

My wife had a b/f for about ten years, a very close friend before I met her, but not then a sex partner. When we ventured into the lifestyle, she called him and she saw him off and on for ten years. This was prior to HIV. He was our first venture into the lifestyle, she went to him, and she spent hours with him and came home to me. We were both very excited and we were undressing her as she recounted the evening and at one point, she started pushing me down, and down. When it dawned on me what she wanted.... duh.... it drove me nuts, the idea of eating her and the fact that she wanted it. I'd never see her that excited in all the time we'd been married. And, of course, in other ventures she always preferred our guest go first. Who was I to argue? She just loved the idea of someone else's cum being there before me.

It's a real treat to fuck my wife's just filled pussy. Her pussy is so hot and slippery and like one previous poster stated, she usually cums again right away. I don't call it sloppy seconds but prefer "slippery seconds". And I enjoy the occasional creampie tasting before I go in too.

We are nearing 60 and remember well the days when HIV was unknown. We always have enjoyed this aspect of a MFM threesome, and continued it for years with select partners whom we knew very well. There are several aspects to this which we find especially pleasurable. One, me, is watching a man orgasm in my wife, and then entering her and feeling the hot fresh cum against my penis. Another is feeling her cum again fast because she's still hot from his fucking. And another is ejaculating into a cum-filled pussy; it's a turn-on! In our younger days our male friends and I liked to alternate and keep her going while we got some time to recover between cumming. Unfortunately, these days are long gone, though fond memories.

Yes... and only with select males for good reasons... but with that said- it's a great turn-on and lots of fun! I love sliding inside my wife then - she's tight and really wet then and she becomes more aroused with me wanting more. A definite fetish for us.

90% of the time my wife Aimee goes bareback, which is a lot, several times a week with other men we meet. I love to have sloppy 2nds even 5ths or more. Feels great and yes I do eat the creampies occasionally and I am not gay or bi.