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Hello FreshCouple607, Welcome. One bit of advice; you can find something until you know what it is that you are looking for. Have the two of you sat down and really dug into what you are looking to get out of this pursuit? If not, do this before you go any further. Re: the friends or strangers, what we can offer is that the predominant view here seems to reflect a preference for making friends out of play partners rather than trying to make play partners out of friends. Find people you click with and be open and honest with them; things will progress at the rate of the slowest horse as they say, accept that.

No bi guy would push themselves on a husband who was not cool with that. The thing about being bi, of course, is that you can go both ways so it shouldn't be a deal breaker no matter what the other guy is or isn't into. Having said that, single bi men tend to be more fun and open minded than single men who list themselves as Sr8. But that's just a personal opinion

We had a fun time with a couple we met at a house party. The next day, we read their profile and discovered that he was bi - not a big deal. He and I didn't interact even though all four of us were busy on the same bed. I don't understand the bi-male phobia - any one "no" is as good as any other and if it's not respected THEN it's time to stop the play.

If you want to skip the intro, go to where the bold part is below. On Tuesday, the husband of one of the couples in our closed swing group, Ray, texted me. He said that he would be near where we live for work during the day, and could he stop by afterwards? This couple lives far enough away from us that, unlike some of the others, we only get together with them on weekends. I said sure, it would be great to see him, and could he stay for dinner? After dinner and our daughter was put to bed, we were talking and I asked, “Are you two going to have sex?” I presumed that Ray and Daniella had communicated beforehand arranging something, and that Ray’s text to me was a courtesy. They both looked surprised (to my surprise) and Ray said he didn’t know, that he just meant his visit as a social visit. I said that I had assumed that something had been arranged and it was up to them. Daniela called Ray’s wife on speaker and said that Ray had stopped by and asked Róisín if she could fuck him. She said yeah, sure if she could have a turn with me (!) again sometimes. ☺️ They kept talking about a bunch of other things that I didn’t know anything about, until I was left wondering. The call ends, Daniela gets up and tells Ray to “Come on,” heading to our bedroom. She told me to give them five minutes before coming in. I used the time to tidy up and make sure the alert was set and audible if our daughter woke up. When I went in, they were both naked, Daniela on her back at the edge of the bed and Ray eating her pussy, his hands on her breasts, getting good results from her. Daniela told me to sit down and leave them alone for now. She pulled Ray up and slid into the middle of the bed. He put his dick in her and they started what I had seen many times before, another guy fucking my wife. What was different with Ray is that he is really into breast play. My wife has beautiful tits (up high, symmetric, perfect nipples) but nothing spectacular in any way, just B/C size. Ray, however, almost constantly had his hands on them, massaging them, gently circling her nipples, flicking the tips… He pulled her back to the edge of the bed so he could stand and have both hands free to put on her tits. Sometimes he would have one hand on each tit, other times he would put both on one tit and be like he was molding them into something. Then doggy, with Daniela’s breasts hanging down. After a minute of holding her hips and thrusting while her tits swayed (but barely, because she doesn’t have much to sway), Ray let go of her hips and cupped her breasts. After a while, Daniela broke contact, forced him on his back and went cowgirl, which became another angle for him to play with her tits and nipples. Ray would push them up, to the sides, inwards. He had a specialty of nipple play, with them between his index finger and thumb or middle finger, tracing around her areolae, brushing against her nipples. I describe all of this because watching him play with my wife’s breasts the way he did was driving me crazy. Yeah, other guy’s have played with her tits, but it’s one of those things that seems to happen in passing as foreplay and stops when he gets his dick in her. Two things: usually when we’re playing it’s with other couples in our group, so it’s usually not just MFM and I’m fucking some other woman, and what I watch elsewhere if I’m in sight of others, is primarily a guy’s dick going in and out of a woman, my wife or another’s. It never bothered me to see another man put his dick in my wife’s mouth, cunt, or ass, but it was a gut punch (in a good way) to see another man feeling up my girl so thoroughly. The only other thing to do this to me was the first several times I saw Daniela having an MFM/DP where one of the guys wasn’t me. When they finished, Daniela asked me if I would like to “take a dip.” I sure did, she got into doggy position, and I went at it. Ray (that sly dog) went around the other side and stuck his dick in her mouth as he played with her hanging tits. Then we shared and took one breast each. I’m a slow cummer but this time came in less than 15 minutes. Afterwards, Daniela called Róisín again and said that she was sending Ray home. The girls said we should make arrangements for the four of us to get together some weekend. In retrospect, I suspect that Daniela and Ray hadn’t made any arrangements beforehand, but believe that she and Róisín took advantage of Ray being in the neighborhood and suggested that he stop by. If I hadn’t asked if they were going to screw, Daniela would have gotten around to suggesting it. From what I remember looking back on Róisín and Daniela playing together in some of our group settings, that may be the primary motivation. I figure they were talking and wanted to lick each other’s pussies and finger fuck, but Daniela having the opportunity to screw her husband was second best. Don’t know, don’t care, it was good all around. When Ray texted me on Wednesday saying that he had a nice evening, I replied that in the future he (or Róisín) can contact Daniela directly to set anything up even alone play, just give me an FYI at the end as to what’s up. Anyone else here really get excited about breast play in anyway?

Solo FF play? or I’m present, watching, and having/not having sex with my wife? I don’t want to answer incorrectly. If solo I don’t think I’d care. probably any situation where it’s FF I don’t have a problem with

This is how she feels. The other girls will text her thinking about the d and she’ll get off on knowing it’s hers to dispense and theirs to fantasize about. my psychology doesn’t work the same way. it’s something I’ve wrestled with a lot since and haven’t tipped the scale any further

For us it was friends and it worked out great. I had my doubts when my wife talked me into having sex with good friends thinking it was her having the hits for our friend then I thought heck yeah I get to fuck her girlfriend. We have played with strangers that is exciting also but it was friends that got us started.

I know that area fairly well. If you join SLS and list the Syracuse area in your profile, you will probably get invited to some groups although their quality and activity levels may vary. Albany. Boston, and downstate are going to be much busier, of course.

Yes it is true, We like everyone on this forum are allowed to have our own opinion and voice them. As a long time poster here I read all the current posts. If I feel like posting I do. If you don’t like that there is a way to block posters on here. Not sure how, because I don’t block people on forums, but it sure does not bother me in the least if people block me. If I don’t like what someone writes I move on to the next one and it works for me. We are 100 percent okay with people that are bi ( like she is), gay ( like my daughter and our close friend are) or whatever other sexuality they might be. That does not require us or anyone to want to share playtime with them if we are not on the same page. There have been couples we talked to in the past that were not interested, because their lady was not bi and Missus E is or because she is also a squirted which is not cool with some. Didn’t offend us. Totally understood that they look for something else for their playtime.

You keep saying that so it must be true... We get it! You don't want to see, hear or be aware of any bi male activity. Got it! But yet you sure do read a lot of posts regarding bi male topics.

That's good. Small steps to see what works for both of you.

It actually can be very interesting on how different men's cocks and balls can be from man to man. Differences in shape, size, appearance, curve when they all serve the same purposes. So I can understand when she said a man had a gorgeous cock. He might just have one that aesthetically pleasing to her and maybe what an ideal cock appearance would be.

I will offer up some thoughts from this bi guys perspective... First of all the term BI is a relatively broad and up for debate term. I have never felt any romantic interest in a man. I don't kiss men. I don't date men. I don't play with men alone. But on most sites you are either BI, BI Curious or straight. No middle ground and no wiggle room. That being said... I really like and enjoy the sexual aspects of the things that can go on between people even if they have the same equipment. It's sex! It's FUN! My experience is 99% MMF\MMMF\MFMF etc... Probably half are where the men proclaim to the world that they are straight. Usually the women get a huge kick out of it and other wise they are typically curious as to what happens and how they will like it. I never hide it and knowing how people can feel about it I rarely initiate contact with a couple of group of people unless I know that my type of kink is accepted. But none of us are out to recruit or trap anyone. It's just a type of kink for most of us. If you passed me on the street or at a party you would never know. It's a fun kink and one that, if you stay away from drug users and people with highly unsafe habits, you can indulge in safely, and really enjoy. I am picky and I get tested regularly, and so far, never had any instances of disease. The preconceived notions of bi guys is getting better. We are the secret that everyone knows and some people indulge in without letting their friends know. (oh yes...that happens a lot) Now if I could just find a girlfriend that wasn't intimidated by it...

Come on; let her have some new dick! She'll still like yours best.

This is the compromise I’ve been considering

The general consensus/rule seems to be "never go ass to pussy" or mouth. That's certainly our rule. Question: Is a guy allowed to go from one girl's bum hole to another? It's happened strictly within our family several times, however, when a guy is up in a bum he almost always cums quickly. (OTOH, A guy going from pussy to pussy, or a woman switching dicks midcourse before either orgasms, is usual play.)

Is there such a thing?

I do as well. It's amazing how much can be felt through the combined walls of a woman's vagina and rectum.

The women I meet in the "lifestyle" wear the term "slut" like a badge of honor. "I'm a bigger slut than you!" ?

Those same girls won't do any DP. Cause sluts do DP. Now me, I like DP, it's amazing and I passed the Slut status threshold a long time ago.

I have seen her with four guys taking he completely over the top. They were gentle but gave her about 90 minutes of savage attention. I was with a single woman while they put her through every possible position except double anal which is over the top. We are in this for the skin game and simply don’t get jealous. Watching her have multiple orgasms with four amazing and attentive men was amazing. I loved watching her get into the role and give them back everything she could. Stroking away just thinking about it!