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Male half here. I’m the one who initiated the talk one morning after breakfast. I asked my wife to sit down with me in the living room because I had something I wanted to discuss with her. We had been in Amsterdam for only half a day a few months earlier, and we had wanted to go to see one of the live shows … but the cruise schedule didn’t allow it. I told her I’d been thinking a lot about how exciting it would be — to *me* anyway — to watch another couple having sex while we had it as well in the same room, and that I’d found a lifestyle club only 75 minutes drive from us and a bi-weekly house party right in our city where we could try to make that happen. She wasn’t the least bit put off and the rest, as they say, is history! 😉 The key point here is that I didn’t start out talking about swapping but rather just the two of us doing something really hot together. That’s a *lot* less threatening than, “So what do you think about the idea of us both fucking other people?” 😂

You sound like you blame a politician. Record profit’s are just coincidental

I agree with the posters above, but would get to know the couple better. No expectations, but I would be curious.

Ok so this may be a bit taboo and yes there are plenty of issues that come with this… but our conversation (and fantasies) revolve around swapping and sex in this fashion. It might sound silly but is this frowned upon in swinger circles? Would we be blacklisted or is there a place for this? We wouldn’t be sleeping around and maybe hope to find a regular couple or 2 to have this fun with, but as a general rule what’s the community’s approach to those coming in and looking to have bareback sex?

What the hell is wrong with single men in this lifestyle? My wife and I recently decided to seek out a single guy for some occasional threesome fun, and besides the usual morons who replied and bragged about being a “dominant bull” (GOODBYE!!!), we had a few promising replies who initially abided by what we stated we required. I (husband) do the initial screening, chat with the guy for awhile, where I set the ground rules, including that he’s already gotten all the pictures (G-rated) he’s going to get, and to show respect for my wife. I then have my wife communicate with him directly (her desire). Invariably, the guys then lose their minds, request naked photos, try to get sexually graphic, etc. They literally fuck up a free lunch, because they can’t control themselves. What the eff is wrong with these guys?? Abide by our rules, be respectful, and you can possibly have regular NSA sex with a gorgeous woman, but they still manage to fuck it up. <rant off>

That's it. The LS club burned-down. And I say "Good Riddance". I'm on record, here on Swingersboard, saying the place had a bad reputation, the owner had been busted for multiple crimes, the front of the building (a pawn shop) had been raided for drugs and stolen goods -- it was a real sh*t show. It was every bad swinger stereotype rolled-into one club. It gave the whole lifestyle a bad name. Glad to see it's gone.

After an exhaustive trial and error period (with many errors) I shave my balls and Nair the underside and above my cock. For some reason when I razor the top it get very irritated. The Nair works well. The trial and error was what type of Nair worked best and how long before my skin burned. The skin on your balls is way too thin to use chemical removers. When shaving be VERY deliberate. Take your time. The risk of Fournier gangrene is low but still scary (look it up).

I worked for years to ensure our pool area is not visible to the neighbors. A lot of work but worth it.

That's an excellent point Numex; a monogamous couple probably has a much higher chance of cheating that a non-monogamous couple. Placed into the context of a closed group, and yeah that works very well. From an STD perspective, assuming everyone is honest, the chances of getting an STD are probably lower than a vanilla couple, given how many vanilla couples cheat. My wife and I are currently beginning down the road of potentially being part of a group like you describe, There's one other couple so far, and maybe 1 or 2 more in the future. We're both comfortable with feelings developing, which is to be expected after having sex with another partner many times. Sort of a natural progression. We'll see how it goes.

"Fortunately we are able to buy now, we don’t want to buy at the top of the market at a high rate. We feel both rates and prices make it a terrible time to buy. Our parents remind us that rates when they bought were in the 13-14% range so 5-6% isn’t terrible." House are not investments and the decision as to when to buy shouldn't be made on that basis. Yes, we all know someone that bought a place at x and sold for y. In fact. my neighbor just did so. Paid $650,000 in foreclosure in 2015 and just sold for $1.8M. BUT no one believes that kind of opportunity will come from this current correction. For each of those people there are 100's that have been waiting for prices to correct, while prices just keep moving out of reach. Prices are likely to come down, but as a previous post stated not by much, maybe 10-20%. Interest rates will come down, but not for a couple of years. If you find a place, make you offer as neat and tidy as you can, offer personal information about you and how much you love the place, compliment the current owners on the property and clarify the price based on interest rates and market slow down. The current owner(s) may be more afraid of an unknown market correction that a discount today. Those that are just removing listings know that winter is a tough time anytime and they may not NEED to sell. Others are so fortunate. If you want a home to make you own then I'd suggest you keep looking, and discount price by 10-15%. See what you find. You may be 6 months early on those that will reduce but nothing ventured nothing gained. Happy hunting.

This MIGHT work if it is primarily a non LS business arrangement. As you are not in need of charity, insist in paying a healthy rent. That will even the field and simplify any other relationship.

We were house hunting the boom interest rates almost doubled. Banks taking advantage quick to increase less quick to reduce. I’m following the rates which have come off the highs still to high for us. I agree the spring will bring more product to the market because of kids in school nobody wants to freak a kid out. Moving in with strangers is crazy, moving in with friends is crazy. I find it hard being with anyone for a week before going crazy. My advice is find a place and only stay a short time with these people. Three days of fucking will get old fast.

Perfect. It is the path we traveled. Started out regular swinging, but found like minded couples who also wanted to go bareback. It took a while, but we all got tested several times while remaining bareback monogamous with our spouses and only playing within the group using condoms before the all clear. If anyone wants to play outside the group, ok but let us know and leave the group. No one has. I also figure the odds of someone actually cheating is low because 1) the penalty is death, and 2) there is so much sexual variety and quantity within our group the desire to cheat is low, less than a non-swinging monogamous couple stuck with only themselves.

Whether or not bareback is possible depends on the couple. In my experience, condoms are a given in most circumstances. On your profile, you can indicate a preference for bareback. That might help you, and might dissuade couples that otherwise would play with you. My wife dislikes condoms more than any other woman I've ever known (and talked with on the subject). We've always used condoms except with two long term boyfriends she had and a couple whom we were exclusive with and tested. The two long term boyfriends started out with condoms, but over time, a willingness on their part to be exclusive and testing, the condoms were no longer necessary.

I agree with Peterj. A month, maybe this works out. Longer term it won't. It is difficult to make an accurate comment about purchasing a house without knowing your financial situation and the area you're looking to purchase. I will say that I have in-depth knowledge about a handful of real estate markets around the country. Though every market is different, the common theme is prices rose far too much over the last couple years and interest rates have almost eliminated demand. Supply was pretty low and continues to be. Sellers aren't desperate enough to really reduce prices. With all that if you are actively shopping now and are finding it difficult (you didn't explain why) you aren't going to see much of a change in the next 6 months. Rates will continue to rise and but prices will hold pretty well (maybe a 10% reduction in some areas). However, that 10% reduction won't do much for your payment with the rising rates. Again, this depends on where you are looking for a house. I have a friend that has been waiting for a correction in a handful of CA markets for 20 years. Rates aren't coming down significantly (I don't think they'll come down much from here for some time) to make any difference in your potential payment (again, no idea where you're looking or what price point). A "correction" (unknown how you're defining that) won't happen because supply is still low, those on the market and not selling are being taken off the market and not being discounted. You won't see increased supply until Sprung 2023, early Summer 2023. I'd recommend signing a lease so you don't chase an overpriced house out of desperation.

I am the one always giving advice that is outside the box, and I will do it again. Since you're already living apart, take a break from each other and stop trying to be glued together. Date other people, have sex with them, and check in with each other at coffee and lunch to discuss your lives and how it's going. Not all marriages are meant to last, and sometimes are better if they morph into some other type of relationship. You're already partially apart, so take a break, explore, reevaluate, talk about it as friends (or even FWB), then decide what to do.

The woman of the first couple we swung with previously had breast cancer and a double mastectomy. When they lay down beside us in the couples room of the swing club, we were all nude except she was wearing a tank top. My partner asked why she was wearing the tank top. When the gal said she had a double mastectomy and did not want to bother people with the scars, my partner apologized and felt like crawling under the mattress! However, it broke the ice and we had a great time with them, with full swap and multiple orgasms all around. Bottom line. Go ahead full steam into swinging. Swingers are some of the most understanding people we know.

Honestly I believe you should. I understand your fears and self confidence issues after a double masectomy but honestly at least for me attraction especially in the life style has very little to do with the physical but more for the erotic nature of having that sexual fun with someone along with your spouse and enjoying the experience as a group it’s even better if you are all friends. That’s not to say you aren’t beautiful or sexy but scars are meant to show we are stronger then the thing that tried to kill us. That alone is sexy enough. So go and enjoy yourself with your spouse and have fun. Those who can’t look past your scars the signs of your triumph aren’t worth the time and energy. Keep it positive and move forward and have fun

Do you think it is easier and more respectful to say no to this couples entreaties altogether and not offer them a chance at friendship without benefits?

we are new to this and are in our early 60's. we want to try this but my woman is nerves and she's not sure about how she would feel to see me with another woman. I'm really into watching her with another man and I'm extremely ok with that, and she's ok with doing that, but she's apprehensive about how she would feel about me being with another woman. she's ok with trying it but just worries about how she will feel after.. we are in the east bay of San Francisco..

We started in our fifties, are now in our seventies. Njbm and Lcmim gave great advice. Slow and steady is the ticket here. Going to a club is not a bad idea. The key to avoiding her jealousy is to tell your wife sincerely and often how much you love her, that no other woman could ever take her place, that you'd never leave her for another woman. She won't believe you, completely, at first. Reinforcing it time and again will cement that in place. Even so, she'll be nervous the first few times you interact with another woman, that's quite natural. Take it one step at a time. I suggest you get into a situation where you have a make out session with another couple. Kissing only, no petting, no nudity. Afterwards, talk to her about it, see how she feels. The next time if she's willing go further, perhaps petting, perhaps a soft swap - but you should not penetrate the other woman. Again, analyze your reactions. Eventually, perhaps, she'll see that nothing significant will change if you full swap. Best of luck. BTW, how's the East Bay doing without the Raiders? I used to live in Oakland and Fremont.

We started at about your age. We went soft swing same room initially. That gave my wife time to acclimate and take charge. At out first party she wouldn't even go into the lobby without holding my hand. Things progressed as she felt more at ease. Sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. There is more to our backstory, but I have written of it here before. Feel free to post us.