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2 pointsI now understand that posts on here don’t have to be about swinging, it’s more about sex and alternate sex or just about sex in life. I can tell more read posts and a very few post and some post everyday. This question is for the men as I see there are a number of posts where women have posted their firsts. What spurred this question was a post about having sex in high school and it looks like most of us were having sex when young and for me the first time was exciting and unprepared and quick. I was invited to a girl’s house after school for homework before her parents came home from work. We had made out before with first base boob play, that day I made it to third base. My initiation to up close pussy play was followed by both of us naked and for me the first time being naked and touched. My memory she may have orgasmed from our play, I didn’t even realize she wasn’t a virgin not knowing what would a virgin would feel like. I know I was full stiff and she pulled me on her and aimed me into her. She said if you feel like you are going to cum pull out. I want to know how a 15 year old boy stops. I read a post from a female that said she worried all month after her first time, I worried for longer because she never told me not to worry. I can’t be the only guy on here that had a similar first time. While I didn’t keep the secret of getting laid I couldn’t tell my friends how it lasted 10 seconds. I wonder how she felt about the quickness or if she told her friends. We did play several times after with my memory of never going long. She was also my first blow job and the first time kissing a pussy.
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2 pointsWe ended hooking up a total of 4 times. They called themselves Kathy and Alan, Kathy was a very short voluptuous woman with big tits and had junk in her trunk, which looked good in her thong swimsuit. Alan was a little over 6 foot tall and very thin, balding on top and 7 inch thin cock, both were in their late 40's with no kids. The last time we hooked up was no different, Kathy came into the bar, we talked, and left to their house. It was mid May and the 3 of us gathered outside by their fire pit. We smoked some pot to loosen things up, Alan went inside to get some beer, Kathy and I started to take our clothes off and moved some air mattress to fuck on. We started 69ing and went into missionary style. As I was fucking Kathy I looked at Alan and he was jerking off which made me fuck Kathy harder and deeper.After I came inside Kathy, Alan came over to eat the cum from her pussy and reclaim her. As Alan ate her pussy , I stuck 2 fingers up his ass and started jerking his cock until he got rock hard. Kathy got on top of Alan and rode him cowgirl. She rode him hard, grinding her pussy against his pelvic bone. Finally, Alan hollered " I can't take this any longer I'm cumming!" Alan's eyes rolled back in his head, Kathy got up and wiped the cum off her pussy with a tissue and dropped it on his chest. As Kathy got dressed to take me back to the bar, Alan played there motionless, I thought Kathy had killed Alan. That was the last time I ever hooked up with them, but something that I will never forget.
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2 pointsNOTE: I have started and stopped answering this post a few times. You can say our coming of age or better our cumming of age was a very positive for me and I am pretty sure for her it was what she wanted. We took our time and the big moment happened when we were both ready to take that step. My first love was a girl I knew very well as our parents were good friends and we grew up as friends. Friends, classmates and almost cousins even if we weren’t related. Our parents always made comments that it was cute that we were so close. From being family friends to spending plenty of time together to going on a friends date. I remember having feelings that she was the one even if I was way too young. My first kiss on a park bench with tongues dancing. Yes I remember that kiss. We became boyfriend and girlfriend for real then. The summer before ninth grade was the first real feeling her up, the first time she allowed me to touch her breast while kissing. Making out. We didn’t go much further at first then we were grinding with clothes on and I got hard. Towards the end of that summer with our parents at work we went to her apartment, her sister was going into the city and wouldn’t be home. On her bed we had our first real touching with me touching her under her clothes and me opening my pants with her hand going in for the first time having myself touched by her. I didn’t go far that day because I heard her gasp as my finger entered. I am thinking this was the way we made out for the next month whenever we had time alone. The next step was when we finally got naked in her bed knowing we were going to be alone for hours. My first real look at a naked girl and her pussy and her first time having a penis out in the open. It was better for me that day because I had my first hand job while I think she I had pain from my fingers. It was the first time I came from another person. I think you can tell we cared and liked being together. Did we say love? It’s only memory but mine was she was as much into this as me, we made names up for our parts, mine was Boots and hers of course was Puss. She would show me how to touch her and I would guide her hands. Things kept going further and further until that special day. Our first time was a Wednesday afternoon. Now I’m laughing HumpDay. The big laugh was her trying to put on my condom which fell off. I remember the mixed tape we were listening to. She said it was great while I knew it was great for me. I only worried two days and then she got her period. Sex with her didn’t end with a one time bad experience, it lasted for years. Like others time goes on and things changed. I have good memories and I can only hope she didn’t have regrets.
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1 pointI was asked by "herbob" on a different thread how did I go from being an orally bi guy to topping other men from time to time. I thought it was a good question and would be interested in hearing from others how they got to the point of either topping or bottoming, which I personally don't like but whatever. The first time I ever topped another guy was during a swingers party my ex-wife and I had hosted at our home. My wife and I hosted a 'holiday' party where clothing was optional and sex was almost mandatory. LOL At the time we where playing full time with a bi guy who pretty much lived with us and who never wore any clothing while home. Which was ok by me because he was a shower, unlike me who is a grower, and I and the wife loved to watch it swing and sway as he walked or when he laid down or sat in the chair he would lift it up and lay it across his leg. God I loved looking at his cock and loved sucking it even more so! Despite his beautiful cock he had a really tight small waist and firm ass that if you didn't know it was a man's ass you'd swear he was a girl from behind. After the party I was still ready for sex but the wife had already had more than her share and as many of you ladies know she was sore and wouldn't go for any more but was open to "HIM" going down on her leaving me with full nuts and horny as hell. Despite my pleading she denied me again however while "HE" knelt between her creamy thighs licking her "HE" wagged his ass and said the words I'll never forget, "My ass hasn't been used yet so I'm nice and tight!" to which I looked at her, who was sporting a wide happy grin and his tight little brown hole and before you knew it I was lubing his asshole and then slowly guided the head of my dick into his ass. Just as I sank deep into him my wife looked at me and said, "Are you really fucking his ass?" and when I said "yes" she grunted and groaned the loudest I had ever heard her and she forced "HIS" harder against her pussy and she began to start to cum. It didn't take long before I emptied my own load deep in "HIS" ass. In a nutshell, pardon the pun, that was how I fucked another mans ass for the first time! I, and I'm sure others, would love to hear how any other guys got into topping or even bottoming.
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1 pointHumor! My first time was messy, I had to hide my underwear in the laundry basket praying my mom wouldn’t notice. Bragged? I posted on MySpace, Facebook and Instagram even before they existed. In reality I left a glowing review on The Erotic Review.
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1 pointAfter leaving the military, I moved to a smallish town and found it difficult to meet new people and make new friends. Small town atmosphere and I was an outsider. Out of boredom, I ended up getting a part time job at a local box store a couple nights a week. The manager was about 10 years younger than me and was a nice guy, we hit it off and became friends. He invited me over a few times on the weekend, but I usually went out of town, I had friends a couple hours away and we rode motorcycles on the weekends. So I declined the invites. He invited me to a Halloween party. He had a nice place, a few acres outside town. When I arrived, there were about 15 people there, mostly family and a few friends. I had met his wife a few times, she was average looking, average body, shy and very likeable. He lit a bonfire, we had a few beers, grilled some burgers, sat around the fire and BS'd. I was the only guy the rest of them didn't know. They wanted to know about me, where I was from, what I did in the military. His brother got sloppy drunk and out of the blue, his eyes tear up and he say that he doesn't have any friends because he is a science teacher and when people talk about work, he is the odd man out. He says that if anyone here right now knows what the coriolis effect is, he would suck their dick. I looked at him and said, you mean the circular movement of water caused by the earths rotation. He asked how I knew that. Everyone around the fire started howling, telling him to get on his knees. We had a good laugh and moved on. By 11pm the party was winding down and everyone else was gone. It was getting chilly and we were in the living room, I stood up and was about to announce that I was heading home and my friend says I should stay since it was late and I had been drinking. Before I could decline, his wife says that I am owed a blowjob and she doesn't want me to leave without it. I'm sure that I had a shocked look on my face. She wraps her arm around me and says that she wants two guys. She tells me that they had been trying to get me over there for over a month. Small town, she was a grade school teacher and they had to be very discrete. She left and came back in a thong and a skimpy white tee shirt. We headed for the bedroom. She wanted to play with both of us, then finish me off while he watched. We jumped in the shower and she soaped us up, She was on her knees sucking me, working her soapy finger in my ass while he watched. I barely got out of the shower without blowing my load. for a plain shy girl, she was a wildcat once she got naked. For the next half hour the three of us played, nothing too wild, we were getting used to each other. MFM was a bit awkward for me but I was having a great time. She was on her hands and knees sucking me, he was doing her doggy. We went at it pretty good for a few minutes, he pulled out and she flopped on her back, out of breath. I was pretty wound up, probably the most turned on ever. I pushed her legs up and went down on her. He had cum in her and I caught it as it was pushing out. I was shocked but swallowed it and kept on. She got on me in a 69, I licked her clean and it took her about a minute to finish me off. Afterwards she told me that was their big fantasy, but they had never asked a guy to do it. She was lying between us then she moved to the foot of the bed and spread her legs and started using a vibrator. We were side by side watching her and watching each other play with our dicks. He started getting hard again. I was still really turned on, she was moaning, I had never watched a guy masturbate, I leaned over and took him in my mouth and started sucking him. I wasn't even thinking about doing it, he had a nice dick and I was turned on watching him. That got round two started. She was moaning and bucking. He got rock hard and I really got into it. I was playing with his balls, up and down on his shaft, teasing his head and foreskin. I could feel him swell up and tighten, I would back off a little and feel him pull back from the edge. I got him close and he grabbed my head and said don't stop. He swelled up really big and I felt one big throb and he shot his load. I gagged a little but swallowed it all. She finished up just before he did, I was still really turned on but still to limp to go again. The next morning we played until lunch. Lots of sucking, she got him to give it a go on me. We did DP, also a first for all of us. both of us in her, feeling our dicks rubbing together was a big turn on. I cleaned up her pussy again after he came in her and he tried to clean her up after I came in her, but he couldn't do it. We had a great time and continued to play together for about six months. They decided to try for a baby so the swinging had to stop. We tried mutual masturbation a few times, but that ended up turning into a full blown threeway. That was a great experience for me. I have enjoyed bisex every since.
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1 pointHow many of the Males posting bragged to friends? My bragging story was way better. Just call me Mr. Stud.
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1 pointNot a male so I take it from a woman who loves your story. From the way you tell the story I bet she has no regrets. I only wish every girl had a boyfriend like you and enjoyed the lead up to the act. My first sexual encounter was with a boy who was my friend’s brother, someone I knew very well. If I liked him it was because he was her brother and I think I looked up to him as a popular guy. No romance or fun leading up to my first time. It was very cold and mechanical as if he was doing me a favor. I don’t think he kissed me as he spread my legs and pushed himself into me. I know I had my eyes closed the whole time and cried after. We all remember our first good or bad. I most likely didn’t have feelings for any of the boys I was allowing to have sex with me for a long time. I’m thinking it has had a long term effect on my later life.
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1 pointWe've done some filming. We started with some short stuff on the phone and then did more full length stuff but it was kind of annoying. Angles, light, etc are difficult for me to work and I'm not very good at it. I did have a buddy who was a film major that took some videos of my GF fucking other guys that came out good. Otherwise guys will usually just pull out there phones to take pics or short videos of my GF. She doesn't mind it... she actually enjoys it. She always acts a little shy when we watch a video of her fucking other guys together but she likes it.
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1 pointNot that good…😂 I had just turned 15 and my 16-year-old girlfriend and I had spent the past few months getting to know each other’s bodies through increasingly heavy petting. The evening before Thanksgiving it was very cold — probably in the high 20s — in our little town in Western New York. We were going at it passionately on the porch of a church that was located far off the road and surrounded by trees that made it quite private. She and I were both really turned on. I had my hand in her panties, fingering her. She was soaked! We never talked about going farther, but she hiked up her skirt and pulled off her panties. I pulled off my trousers and underpants. She rolled on her back and spread her legs. I mounted her — I couldn’t believe how good my cock felt in her pussy; jerking off was great, but not like this — and of course I came in about 15 seconds. 🙄 (She didn’t reach orgasm, that night or ever in the two years we were a couple. But on and off we continued to have sex for the next three decades when we happened to find ourselves in the same town. By the time she was in college she’d learned to cum. And through the good offices of subsequent partners I’d learned to be a better lover.) But back to Thanksgiving Eve in Western New York. The actual sex that evening was fantastic, the most intensely pleasurable few moments I’d ever experienced. But as soon as I’d cum I became aware of just how cold it was. There was no blissful afterglow, snuggling together; we were too busy scrambling back into our clothes and winter coats. It was the walk back into town that made it such a bad experience. She said "You’re going to marry me, aren’t you?" I was feeling very guilty — my family belonged to a quite conservative church that I hadn’t yet broken from — and thinking to myself that at 15 I wasn’t exactly prepared to make a life-long marital commitment. For sure not to this girl, who was very bright but also pretty emotionally hyperbolic. And of course I was a bit freaked out that she might become pregnant. All in all, as we walked the half-mile into town I was thinking that as good as it felt for those brief moments was cock was in her warm slick pussy, maybe on balance masturbation was the overall better option. But two weeks later we found a warmer place for intimate adventure and spent a couple of hours fucking like crazed bonobos. I still came pretty quickly, but my refractory period was measured in minutes that could be counted on the fingers of one hand. And while my partner-in-pleasure didn’t orgasm, she really liked getting fucked.
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1 pointWhen I attended college, there was a bar that was notorious for college boys and older married women to hook up. One night I met an older lady in this bar and she invited me back to her house. When we got to the house, she introduced me to her husband and said that he wanted to watch us have sex, that's all. I was skeptical but agreed as long as he just watched. She crawled on top of me cowgirl and her husband walked to the bed and pulled my cock out of her and began to suck it. He sucked it for a while and then stuck it back in her pussy! Whenever I came inside her, he came over and sucked my cock again to clean me up. I got dressed and she drove me back to the bar and she told me that she was looking forward to more visits to her house.
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1 pointThat was the first time that I ever sucked a cock and the first time I ever swallowed. She blew me and fucked me several times over the next few weeks. and most of the time I would end up blowing her hubby while she would blow me or use her vibrator on me. I remember while I was blowing him, she would use her vibrator on me... Just the tip at first and later on the whole thing until my knees would shake, Then later on she wanted me to try him and I eventually did. As I mentioned, I think that I was being groomed the whole time... Maybe he was gay or just wanted something besides his wife.. But that went on for several months... I have no complaints. She sucked my dick A LOT and I fucked her a lot too...
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1 pointIn total agreement with B&D. I don't need to see you naked. That will happen well enough if we hit it off and get to know you well.
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1 pointI remember a joke I heard years ago about a couple who would put a quarter in a jar every time they had sex the first five years of marriage and remove a dollar every time after the five years. Ten years later they still had a jar of coins. We tried something different, I put ten dollars in every time we had sex and she could take twenty out when she gave me a full blow job. Happily I keep replenishing the bank.
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1 pointYes it is the neighborhood. It has to be. Most are progressive modern, several m/m couples, f/f couples, and of course many bi couples and we seem to attract more, apparently. Prior to this for over a decade it was not but is increasingly so now.
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1 pointIs male bisexuality trending? Wow, another neighbor came over to talk. She said she had heard a little of a conversation I had on our deck with another friend about her husband coming out about bisexuality. Here I am drinking my tea and up walks Neana from the neighborhood pool. She plops down and lets it all out, "I walk in on my husband taking dildo after dildo up his a**. I watched as he did himself many times, orgasming, cumming, eating, doing himself more working to larger until he took the largest dildo in our arsenal. I'd never seen him do this on his own. As for cum eating, I normally have to fed it to him. I started all of this. I love doing him with my strap ons, taking him, jerking him off, feeding him, and continuing to take him. I guess it makes sense after all this time he'd be into doing it by himself when I'm gone for a few days. I did get home a day early. What got me was when I let him know I had been enjoying the show he glanced at his lap top which led me to look and there it was - guys fing guys and their wives. Bisex couples sex. We swing but he never once expressed an interest in bisex. I asked him and he said, yes he wanted to explore it." I sat, listened, watched. I learn a great deal being quiet and watching. Her eyes were wide, her voice was excited, her body was squirming, her nipples were extremely pronounced, and I swear I smelled a hint of her. She was very aroused. She went on growing more descriptive, darn she had me going. She had her husband do a show and tell, show her and tell her what he wanted to try. Then she asked me how to go about find someone. I smiled taking her by her hand walking her into the house to our sex room and let her watch a recording of us and a few couples going at it on our big screen. This is the third new couple in as many months whose husband has come out. At this rate our group is going to be bigger than precovid. We still have to vet them a bit more but they already want to come over and watch. The first new couple has already gotten naked and touched with us as a few couples played. The second couple is waiting on their tests. It is looking up to be a great summer.
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1 pointWe had three couples over for the weekend – wahoooo! It was a fun naked weekend. We have this amazing upper sun room on the east side of the house that no one can see into, or so we thought. A new young couple moved in about 7 months ago. They are a fun couple and I’ve become good friends with the wife. She is how I found out about their attic window. Her husband discovered it Saturday while up cleaning an area for a writing area. He is an amateur writer. After taking off all the weather insulation, cleaning it, oiling the tracks, the window opens. You can see and hear everything going on in our so called private sun room. So this is how she discovered her husband is very interested in bisex. All of us had been going at it since Friday. We wives were taking a break encouraging the men to put on a show for us, which they did. Our neighbor saw it all. His wife climbed up to find him, penis in hand, watching and listening. She said they could hear all the sex talk as well as the groans. She was able to step up on a chair quietly enough to peer over him and see what all the commotion was about. She said she nearly fell. Her husband was jerking off to men sucking cock & F ing each other in the a**. She climbed down walking up behind him reaching around helping him as they listened to the sex. She moved them closer so she could watch with him asking/telling him, he liked this didn’t he. Then asked what he liked the best, the sucking, being sucked, F ing, or the getting F ed in the a** by a real cock? She told me the sucking cock and getting F ed in the a**. He came on their hands and all over his pants. She said they kissed and she went back down the ladder. She sat as he took his time coming down. Calmly they discussed it. It was new to her but not a shock; they play along these lines with strapons. She asked if he wanted to “go there?” He said that’d only ever happen is she was all on board, wanted it to happen, made it happen, it is not something he needed. Today she and I were out on our deck and she told me all. I was embarrassed, apologetic, and concerned. She as okay though didn’t know where to go from here. I asked her where she wanted to go; her husband had left it up to her. She told me she was going to have to investigate it more but at least she knew. She appeared collected.
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1 pointWe were in a threesum, I was sucking the other guys dick and my husband moved his face towards mine for a kiss, but I mistook it, and offered him the dick, pushing it towards his mouth and he took it. So we then made out with the dick between us and sucked him off together.
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1 pointI wish more men would come out to their wives. When I told my wife that I enjoyed penises, she was shocked and wanted to know if I had a man on the side. I told her no but I wanted to share one with her. She is also bi. We had several 3soms with women and we started having them with men. We both prefer the third to be a male. We now have a bicouple who we are exclusive with. We rather new with them and the sex is great in every combination. I am so glad that I came out and so is she.
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1 pointI messaged you all but please any new people - simply message me instead of posting here. Now let's get back on topic. Our newest neighbor, a tiny little thing, cute as can be, perky, fit, with a very attractive husband, came up to me asking for help. Among other things my neighbor asked me if she should ask her husband if he was bisexual. I asked her, are you? She said – it certainly turns her on. We talked for quite a while and many more times after that building quite the relationship. I enjoy talking sex with her from her fresh young perspective. Months later jerking her husband off while dildoing him she had him so turned on that she asked, “Oh my goodness, you love sucking down your cum when I feed it & getting your ass fucked so much wouldn’t you love a bunch of guys fucking your mouth and ass all day filling you full of their cum?” He said YES! That’s how she found out for certain. She told me she fucked and jerked him 4 more times talking about bisex, sharing cocks, cum, and getting his ass fucked and cum filled. So we may have a new younger couple joining us one day…
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1 pointI knew it when he screamed, “Yes Fuck ME, Fuck me in my ASS, Give me more COCK, fill me full of cum in both holes.” as he sucked one of our friends so hard he was yelping as was the guy who was fucking him bareback. My husband went along for the ride with me and bi couples we befriended over the many years, eventually giving a little here and there, until the day he did this. It still takes him a while to get to this point but he definitely gets there more often and in less time. There have also been a few times recently where I have gotten him so aroused kissing him after sucking some off that he latched on to a few of the guys without me even feeding them to him. And even though he never asks upfront for cock I know he loves it, as well as cum, and most definitely getting his ass cummed in. His orgasms are way to explosive for anyone not to love that. We have been very fortunate to have many extremely trust worthy friends who all get along smashingly.
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1 pointMy first anal with a man was at 18 in an adult book store before HIV. I was invited into a booth with a guy who was holding the biggest cock I've ever seen, even till this day. I was literally afraid of it, sucking it or anything else. So, when he asked what I was wanting I just sort of mumbled, "to fuck". To my amazement, he said, "cool". He seemed pretty macho, not the least bit femmy, and, of course, I didn't know a thing about sexuality at the time. Well, he sat on the bench, flipped up his legs, spread, and I headed into an already lubed new world. It was wonderful, like a vulva but different still. And get this: for leverage I grabbed the obvious two handed hand hold before me, and went to town. I couldn't get my fingers around it - there was a half inch room to spare, massive! For any who have heard of or seen monster cocks that can't stay hard, this weren't one of them. All these years later, I can still feel it hard like steel, truly amazing. And don't you know, knowing what I know now, I regret doing nothing but holding it. Today, fear and all, I'd take that challenge, even if I walked a tad funny a day or two. A grand memory, truly.
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1 pointSirramm - thanks so very much. This is getting more and more helpful. We needed some clearer direction and you guys are making a lot of sense. Several pm's have helped me understand better where my husband is coming from as well. That is what I am talking about! Not only do I want to suck several cocks with my husband and have them cum in and on us I truly want to see him get his hot tight tiny little hole get fucked. It drives me crazy with desire. I have discovered that not only do I want this to take place but I want it to take place among a group of couples so everyone can watch, help, and do him more. I have been able to “F” him anally up to 5 times with him taking over at this juncture continuing 8-9 times more via three fingers, larger dildos, large wall toys, and strap=ons attached to the furniture or my legs. I figure he could handle at least 5 guys or more and several strap-on to boot. Sure, the group thing it farfetched so the hunt it on for one or two couples I can trust in the area. The group that we know are too closely acquainted with other people we are close with so it makes sense that my husband is not so comfortable giving it up among them. The sex I am hoping for has nothing to do with dominant or being submissive for me or my husband. It is simply something I find super-hot and would like to share with the man of my dreams. I already know how much he loves anal penetration, so why not the real thing. I know how much more amazing it feels to have a real penis pulsing cum inside me anally and I’d love to share this experience with a man I know would truly appreciate it. Also after all our years of marriage and all the cum play I have been able to get my husband to participate in (and enjoy – lol), there is something to be said about taking it directly from the source! I love the feel of a beautiful penis in my mouth and I believe he will equally enjoy it. He is already past the difficult part – the cum. Thanks - Male4ypleasure It is nice to hear about other wives out there who loved seeing their husbands get fucked anally and want to be there for even more. I welcome you to message me and let me know how they all reacted, participated, what they said or commented on, how verbal they got, etc. Again – thanks so very much Male4ypleasure & Sirramm.
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1 pointI really got turned on reading these posts. I have played with three couples seeking straight mfm initially. In all three cases on subsequent play dates they asked if I would mind if the husband orally shared my hard cock with his wife. I really enjoy having my cock sucked and readily agreed. In all three cases after several play dates with extended mm oral foreplay the wife shared her ultimate fantasy was to watch her husband lose his cherry. I have always enjoyed anal & dp's, and agreed to fulfill their fantasy. In all three cases I had the husband get on all fours and orally pleasure his wife while I slowly took his cherry. All three were very submissive and really got turned on. Needless to say I pleasured both husband and wife on all subsequent play dates. Male4ypleasure
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1 pointWhat a story! Got hard just reading it. When I first got into anal with other guys, I really thought only topping was for me. Fucking a tight ass (male or female is amazing). However, the Hornier I got thinking about being the submissive one, the more I wanted to try bottom too. I was already great at cock sucking and I thought, "I might as well suck and then get fucked". The whole role reversal of not being the dominant male during sex was interesting to me. First time I got fucked was during a MMF with a couple. Bi oral hubby who happened to be topping for the first time ever too. Once the slow insertion changed to fast pumps and I got used to the 7 in thick dick in my ass, I wondered why I hadn't done this before. Doggie style, on top riding with him jerking me, and the basic missionary (my legs in the air) we both tried that night and what fun it was!! I LOVE being on all fours, getting pounded and my hard dick swinging fast.