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There is a question why you only swing in the same room as your partner that had me thinking how many of us enjoy playing in separate rooms. I have posted many times, too many times, that our first swap was in separate cabins on a cruise that took away any possibility of jealousy and gave the ability of enjoying the night. The next day the play continued to same room play which almost killed any chance that I would do that again. Some take exception to me saying we make love when alone and have sex when in a group. Alone I make an emotional connection with a partner that continues well after the sex act is completed. Spending a night or just hours without anyone watching us enjoy lets me feel rewarded while others watching keeps me from relaxing and soak up the moment. That connection has expanded into being with others alone not just that first one. Men act differently when they are alone with me and taking their time pleasing and being pleased. My observation is men in a group have something to prove even if it’s just me thinking that. In the years since our first we have had a number of other partners, thinking less than most who post on here. I have been in threesomes with my husband, both MFM and FFM, and the same with other men. The most surprising night was spent alone with another woman, something that took a lot of convincing for me to do. Being alone with her was so different from being watched by others. I surprised myself how uninhibited I was and how I allowed myself to truly explore my feelings. I am grateful to that partner that showed me that two women can be both emotionally and physically attached without having a penis involved. These are just a few of my feelings of my preference of separate rooms. I need to add that doing things with Mr. S2P is terrific as well, he is still my #1 lover and soulmate and would forsake any others to continue my undying love for him. He understands my thinking on this topic and enjoys his time with the partners we decide to play with. Are we the exceptions to the swinging rule that we should be doing things together and watching your partner is important to swinging?

For years my husband did stay hard or hard enough to not withdraw. My first swap lover stayed hard after a very long sensual first sex act. I have thought many times of that first time, my first time having sex with a new friend we met on a cruise, the first time having sex outside of marriage. I don’t refer to that first time as having sex, we made love. I gave my body to him and he was great. We did everything lovers would do. I was very receptive to enjoying and I was brought to heights many times before he ejaculated in me. I was about to roll over to catch my breath when he stopped me, still in me, holding me close and then slowly started again. I will never forget.

When I first got over my fear of hubby playing with other women, I began setting him up with female friends and acquaintances. It was easier than I thought. David is attractive and women feel comfortable carrying on with a married man with his wife's permission. It was super exciting for me, but the difficulty was having them let me be there to watch and possibly participate. Clair was the first that not only let me watch and participate, but got sexually aggressive with me. That's how I found out that I had a Lesbian side as well. The point of the story is that I quickly went on to spread the lesson to other women who had never had a homosexual experience before. The joy of licking pussy.

Not teaching but have ushered a number of men, women and couples into new experiences and activity. Most all were well into there late 30s, 40s and older. We learned early on that it was very important that if it was a couple their new experience should be with their SO. We experienced several situations that if the husband or wife did something that they never did for each other it was hurtful. The worst was when in the open room, with a number of people all engaging in various sexual group style sex a woman taking her husband doggy style and sucking on a random available cock, in the heat of the moment finished him off in her mouth and swallowed. Not unusual really. Her husband went off. Yelling did you just swallow his cum…..and launched off on an angry nasty tirade at his wife leaving his wife shocked and crying in the room while he stormed off and then left in the car. The whole party pretty much stopped at that point and many of the women trying to console her. In the many years of marriage she never once had her husband Finish in her mouth let alone swallow his cum. He eventually came back that evening apologized to all that were still at the party and took his wife home. After a few months they were back at the party as a couple joining in again……and she routinely swallowed her husband…and a select few other men. most often firsts with couples and singles, new experiences: 1. Oral to orgasm (new discovery…so that is what an orgasm feels like, first time) 2. Women, single or married having a real full orgasm (currently writing a experience story with “Pam” and all her firsts this past yearly) 3. Multiple partners 4. Group sex 5. Different positions 6. Sex for fun 7. Discovering like breasts, cocks come in all sizes, shapes and color. 8. Women discover their natural capacity for multiple sex partners during one play session…finish with one, move on to another. 9. Women, men and couples learning that sex, sexual freedom…..for women is natural. 10. It’s great to enjoy toys for a better….longer lasting sex play/role play experience. (I regularly used larger real like dildos filling woman up while I performed oral or a vibrator used while having penetrative sex. We experience a mid thirties couple where she never made her husband cum….seeing him cum. Only had him cum inside her. And she would announce “ok I’m ready now…..wtf? To be fair there culture limited them severely, emigrated to USA, but became two crazy swingers very active and creative over a year attending our parties. They would see something being done or something new being done to them and would go home and practice. Lol. From time to time they would call and ask advice…or how to. It even still amazes me how many women (around our age group) performed sex as more of an obligation….something expected…..and the huge realization that sex should be fun, exciting and orgasmic for them too. They are not there to just provide sex. But have the open freedom to enjoy themselves as well…..and how they can enjoy themselves. This was normal for many of the over 40 over 50 year old women no longer in a relationship trying swinging to have sex in their life. Not training or teaching……just providing experiences….learning how to enjoy themselves.

Darn it. I mean I was 24 when I was with her and she was 29 at that time when we had sex. Her husband was 23 when she was 14. I hope I cleared that up. So sorry.

That is wonderful, as having multiple sex partners should be. I am always hoping that my wife achieves this (her passionate kissing makes me believe she does), and am happy for her. Among our group I have one special woman as well, and know what you mean.

The women have invited us men (both for anal and pussy, both missionary and doggy), but we have declined. The girls can do that.

We find it useful, particularly in FFM situations. David or Red can get one of us off then finish in the other. But generally, I'd feel cheated if a guy had an orgasm, but didn't ejaculate in me. It's the party favor a woman gets.

This thread reminds me of dreams that I've had where I'm the only naked one in the room. Both disturbing and exciting.

I've known plenty of women who have gone through a stage in life when they want and have a lot of sex with multiple partners, including Lesbian sex. They then decide to move on to another stage in life. The difference between women and men, however, is that they can more easily, or some want to, have less sex. She is moving on.

I don't see why it'd be creepy to consider that "looks count". We're here for sexual chemistry and that's part of the formula - though not the only ingredient, by far. I don't know how valuable my input is here, but I'll say that Mrs. E and I have a notable age difference in the other direction. We both lift, do yoga, and keep up on cardio. We eat (reasonably) well. We take care of our skin and watch our weight. The reality is that most people in the general population, even young people, are not taking very good care of themselves, and regardless of age, if you make an effort and dress up a bit, you should probably feel more confident than you think you should. We're not forming romantic bonds here, and with that out of the dynamic, age norms probably skew the opposite of what you'd expect from vanilla gender stereotypes. Since we started experimenting, I've been with women from almost 20 years younger to almost 20 years older and always had fun. Mrs. E usually prefers to dive in with a few years older down to much younger. She's certainly made a few MILF fantasies come true. We both agree that under 21 is too young, but get hit up by grad students regularly enough. (Admittedly, her more than me, but a guy can't take that personally.) When Mrs. E used to stress about the potential fallout of our early play, my go-to phrase was "it's just cum". If the couple likes each other and likes you, and you can see it being a fun experience free of unwanted drama, what's the use of overthinking this? Please share this wisdom, I think many of us could use it. More than once we've joked that the interaction would probably be met with less confusion if there *was* money involved.

The person who I have the most intense emotional and sexual relationship with is a black woman. It has nothing to do specifically with her being black (she was married to a black man and we used to swing with them, he is nice and good, but nothing special). It is her intelligence, beauty, fitness and drive - the same things that make her more attractive to my husband than I am. I both love her and am jealous of her.

We live in CA, so it might be different in GA but there are plenty of couples who will play with black females/couples/males. There are surely going to be people that turn you down because you are black but there will also be some that think you're especially sexy because you're dark skin. Good company is good company, regardless of skin color.