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Michael and I continue to see a therapist both together and separately. Over the years we have both become more open to telling her what experiences and feelings we have with others and the reasons we enjoy others. I will never know what he tells her in his private sessions though I am very open in our joint meetings. We have told her that we post some of our experiences on a swingers site, it’s more me posting, Michael doesn’t post anymore. She asked if I embellish my posts because many post on sites about fantasies more than realities. I think I post real feelings as best as I can but I know what she means that posting has an excitement factor like reliving an event. Others will post something they wished they did almost as if they did it. Michael and I were very hesitant to open up to our therapist our alternative lifestyle thoughts when we first met her. I opened up first in my private meetings and then only in a broad way with no specific acts. I didn’t think she would understand what we were doing or how she would judge me. Therapy was to take away my odd feelings which ended up adding to my thinking my actions were odd. Once getting over my fears of opening up my deep thoughts it has freed up anxiety of enjoying. I think I have a healthier outlook now that I have freed myself of worrying what others think and what a therapist thinks. Our joint sessions are now very freeing allowing me to express my feelings to Michael and understanding his feelings. How open are others? Do others discuss true feelings to a partner? Are you honest to a therapist?

As far as professional revelation.... MD of course it is a relevant fact. If I had a therapist of course I would. What is the point of seeing a therapist and intentionally hiding something with powerful emotional and spiritual ramifications? Dermatologist , no. Lawyer probably not unless it became pertinent. Non professional? One person outside of the LS. Who has instructions to "clean" our bedroom if we both suddenly pass. Wife's BFF whose tenure is older than mine.

I found it! University of Montreal, "What Exactly Is An Unusual Sexual Fantasy", Table 2: https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/What-exactly-is-an-unusual-sexual-fantasy-Joyal-Cossette/9e3de3d5e2bb45bb2e362878911b60b711168700/figure/2 56% of women reported fantasizing about two men, 17% with a couple that they know, 27% with a couple that they do not know, 28% more than three men, 31% with a gender-mixed group of three or more. 84% of men reported fantasizing about two women, 42% with a couple that they know, 39% with a couple that they do not know, 75% more than three women, 45% with a gender-mixed group of three or more. I think I recall one of the surprising pieces being that women were so much more intrigued by swinging with strangers. However, i tmakes sense both with the intrigue and the social/reputational stress being off. The numbers are much lower than the other survey, but "a third of women fantasize about gangbangs and foursomes+" is still a pretty interesting takeaway.

I've eaten Mrs. E's ass. A couple of women have done mine during head. As long as everybody is clean, it's fun. I can't shake the hilarious image of OP's wife browbeating him about it on the ride home, though.

No matter who does the study, its always going to be difficult getting people to overcome their own fear that someone else will find out what their 'weird' sexual fantasies are as well as some people being willing to admit to themself that they even have a particular sexual fantasy fearing 'what is wrong with them' for having such a 'perverted' fantasy. Toss on that women all too often are afraid of being labeled a 'slut'. Makes getting hard, consistent numbers very difficult.

My wife and I are very open and honest with each other. I did tell a doctor about our swinging experience. She was very positive. A dermatologist, not so much. Got another dermatologist, but did not go into swinging.

Agreed. The socially accepted norm among vanilla people has progressed from virginity/marriage/monogamy to premarital sex/serial monogamy/non-marriage (i.e. a "partner") to relationships that have no expectation of monogamy like Tinder hookups, or have a nonmonogamous transition period between serial monogamy.

Yep. People assume just guys have these fantasies and impulses. My wife, who at 49 still enjoys mfm/mmfm, always says she's just living the life most wives only fantasize about. Ain't it the truth!

When my husband enjoyed getting his mouth and a** raped by two guys and then again 12 more times over the next year. Our last couple to join the group, the wife's answer to this question is: "We had opened our marriage up to swinging. We were careful but not careful enough. It took time to get used to letting go. We went to swinger clubs, then parties, we played openly, eventually in separate rooms, and have intercourse with our first in rooms at a party. We were ready to meet privately. We booked a hotel with rooms next to each other so we could have our dates at the same time, always. After the first sex date alone, my husband came over and we talked about it. We loved talking about what we did. The first time turned us on so much telling each other about it we stripped, had sex several more times together before even showering. We both wanted to try a couple next and after many months we eventually each found a couple. Same room and time set up though there was a lot more story to share. This time we were in the shower as we talked and of course had more sex. We’d had so much fun with the couples we wanted to do it again but in the same room. His couple had another couple they swung with so we booked a suite. It took some time for everyone to get comfortable. We decided all couples same room with our partner, no condom. Watching others have sex while having sex with my husband was hot. Then we swapped partners and the sex was even hotter. I had no idea how incredibly hot my husband was f**king. Watching him f**k made me orgasm harder than ever. Then we swapped again. Oh my oh my! I loved watching him while riding another man’s cock. We used condoms each time after the first. I thought we’d all be ready for a shower but the other two ladies wanted to munch. I was like whhaaaaa? I reminded them about the no condoms earlier and they said that is what made it so much more fun. So in a daisy chain we went. I grew hotter by the minute. Here I was with my lip kissing, tongue lapping, and mouth sucking on a woman’s p***y I’d only just met with her husband’s cum all over down there and mine getting ravaged orally by a woman I also had never met who was also into fingering. It had been almost a decade since I had eaten a woman. My last date with the other couple the lady ate me with her husband, we sucked him and he f**ked us for hours as we kissed and rubbed each other but I never ate her. I had forgotten how soft they are. I was wanting more cock not any p***y. I was mesmerized by what I had gotten myself into. We ladies were enjoying ourselves. I hear a – Yeah suck it, Suck that Cock, Dang I can tell you’ve sucked cock before, You’re Goooooood! Ever had you A** F**ked by a Real Man’s Dick? Ever had you A** filled full of a Real Man’s Cum? Suck my dick off and Bly will shove his cock all the way up your a**, make you bag for more, and fill you to over flowing with cum. I focused back on this creamy delicious smelling beautiful p***y before me. Then I heard – That’s IT I’m Cumming! Suck My Cock Dry. Suck My Cum Out. Ooooohhh Yeeaaahh! And I heard a muffed uuummphhhrr uuummm umpppp uummhhprr. UUUUUUggghhh! Wow someone is sucking cock well. Yeah Bly, my cock is drained F**K that A**, I bet it’s not a virgin a**. You’re cock is bigger so once you’ve had it, lubed it with your cum I shouldn’t have any problem power F**king it HARD! Look at the cum running out of that cuck sucking mouth. Yeah drive it home! I heard a – Yeah this one Sweet Hole here, you’ve got to get some of this! It’s as good as Lyllas. UUUUUHHHHHH! Yeah – this is one tight (blanket blank blank) hole. I bet my cock is the biggest that’s ever been in it. I’m gonna unload so much cum in it, it might bust. UUUUUUHHHHH! OOOOOOOOH! Yeah F**K My A**! PLEASE Shove your COCK all the way up my A** and F**K it until you fill it full of Cum! Whaaaa? That was my husband. What the H***? I had my tongue buried as far in Joni’s p***y sucking her clean when it dawn on me, Lylla was still eating me, what the h*** were the men doing? I pop out of Joni with her begging me not to stop. I was beginning my orgasm with Lylla’s face buried between my thighs. I look over to see my husband taking Bly’s very thick dick in his a** with Dan placing his cock in my husband’s mouth. All I could say was – Oh My GOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH My Husband’s Gay! He was F**king back hard against Bly who had both hands on his hips pounding him. The sounds of grunting was so carnal I orgasmed spraying Lylla. Joni said, no he’s not gay, he enoyed f**king me way to much to be gay, he’s bisexual and from the looks of it VERY BI-SEXUAL! Now please finish me off. I flipped over on my stomach to better eat her and watch my husband take cocks from both ends. I orgasmed again as Lylla fingered me and worked my clit. I ate Joni with a vengeance. Even after she pleaded with me to stop I ate her bringing her back to several more orgasms. Bly had my husband spasming all over his cock and Dan was now F**king my husband’s mouth and probably down his throat. It was the hottest sex of my life. I told Joni I hoped she like getting her a** reamed. Lylla said the same of me. I saw when Dan came his second load of cum in my husband’s mouth. I saw the gulps of cum, and his throat swallowing load after load. Then I saw Bly ram him so deep and hard his eyes bulged as his neck and face reddened. Then Bly came in his A**. The F**KING was rough, very rough. The two men did not relent. The next hours were a bit of a blur as the women took me over and did everything one can imagine two women could do to another. I saw glimpses of the men taking turns F**King my husband over and over again as soon as one got hard again. They took his A** too many times to keep count. The ladies did likewise to me. We passed out. When we both awoke, we were drenched, me in sweat and p***y, my husband in sweat and cum. I saw what they did to his a**. He’s been rode raw and cum was still flowing out. I know I should have been concerned for him but my first thoughts were. Dang, my husband is a biguy. Dang my husband likes dick. Dang my husband likes dicks and cocks in his mouth and a** and lots of cum filling. Dang this is hot as h***! I had to look. I had to inspect. Then I carefully woke him asking him if he was okay. My very own a** had been worked over. Daaaannggg! I was sore. I continued to check on him. Once he was moving and asking about me, I moved around to his face whispering – so you like dick? You sure looked amazing taking those cocks. Can you talk about it? My husband groaned, telling me. You are one sex addicted lady you know that? Yes I am okay, yes it was good, yes my night with the couple they talked me into giving in tell me they knew I’d be a great mouth and a** f**k. They were oh so right! And you with the ladies, dang you were so hot! You like p***y too? We lay there in exhausted pleasure, shock, talking, getting turned on but too tired to get up. We cuddled, I asked – so you we are bisexual now? My husband said – he was if I was. I told him I am, I like eating p***y and playing with ladies and he confessed so am I. I am bisexual and I like men’s cocks in any hole they can get it in. I asked, You were bi before right? Have you have f**ked a guy in the a**? He asked, Were you bi before? Have you have f**ked a women in hers? I said yes. He said, yes. I asked again, You like f**king men in the a**? I did back in the day, I think It will be as good now. You okay with this? He wanted to know. Yeah, yes I am, surprisingly I am. I’d love to see it and I definitely want to see what you did tonight again, often. It was so hot! I let him know. We agree, we were doing this again – a lot. That is how I found out how my husband was bisexual. I will never ever forget this day. Yes we were taken advantage of and even crazier, we got with those couples 12 more times over the next year. They grew bolder and more aggressive with us. We eventually broke it off because they pretty much raped us every time we were with them. Yes as I mention earlier, we were not the most careful early on and the forced sex got way out of hand. They were the only pairs of bisexuals we knew and we did have massively nuclear orgasms with them entire weekends. We have the most incredible group now. We’d all be married most likely we enjoy one another that much in every aspect. I know sounds stupid but these people are my best friends and all of them heck of good lovers.” Someone private messaged me about my stories; sure stories are the point of few of the person experiencing it. Did it all happen? How can anyone remember all of this? We now have 11 ladies in our group with 13 guys. Every lady writes everything we do. We love to share our thoughts, memories, and experiences, and yes of course we have great masturbation group time. A few have blogs, I like forums, a few enjoy chat rooms, we keep a good record of what we do. It’s fun for us, way better than gaming, tving, and wasting time on our phones doing tiktok, snapchat, etc.

It makes me wonder; as open relationships become more documented, more discussed, it will begin to become more common I think. If that many people fantasize about it, it's definitely a growth market Seriously, if people can only learn how to become truly emotionally intimate with someone, a lot more fantasies would come to the fore. It's sad how many couples never really communicate. I've seen it in quite a few marriages where I am friends with the husband. He'll tell me things he would never tell his wife.

Group sex is certainly my number one fantasy!

Second the casual but nice. For clubs, I usually go with a nice pair of stylish jeans and a button up shirt pair with sharp shoes and belt. When things heat up, nothing at all

I remember some study - I want to say it was done at a Canadian university, possibly McGill - where the gender mixes of multipartner fantasies were definitely surprising.

As a woman I prefer to feel his orgasm and ejaculation. The pulsing of his prostate, the pumping of his semen. In my vagina (where God intended it), in my mouth, in my bum (where He doesn't). If I haven't cum yet (or even if I have) it puts me over the top.

Are you referring to the rhythm method of birth control?