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We have refrained from commenting...until now. We'll offer two observations and a suggestion. 1. Part of our approach is to talk among ourselves about our FIB--fantasies, intentions, boundaries. There were several opportunities for the two couples (or the two ladies) to share that information. We wonder if such sharing could have been used to better manage expectations. 2. It seems that there was a mismatched expectation, namely an expectation of parity. It's worth thinking about what each of the foursome held as their expectations of parity, equity, or even equality. 3. A (big) part of the LS involves candid communication. Rather than stew, it might make more sense to reach out and say--this is bothering me, can we talk about what happened and how I felt during/after the fact?

"Snowball" refers to a person taking a man’s ejaculate in their mouth, not swallowing or spitting it out, but then open-mouth kissing a person (it could be the man who produced the semen in the first place or a third person) and sharing the mouthful of semen. Elsewhere in this string I recounted a time when two women alternately sucked me until I reached orgasm. Then the women into whose mouth I’d ejaculated (somewhat ostentatiously) shared it with the other woman via a long open-mouthed kiss.

It wasn't my original quote, but I'm not sure the generation gap pulls in that direction. Every vanilla woman I've ever known born before about 1975 not only expects the man to initiate, but considers a woman explicitly asking to be almost taboo. Holding his hand might be the only signal she thought she needed to give for him to try to go for a kiss. If he was wrong, she'd say so and that'd be that.

My experience is that snowballing is that snowballing is more a thing between women. Men, my guys at least, are into sloppy seconds. Or perhaps are in a hurry and don't care. 🙂

I like watching my husband (and boyfriend) have sex with other women, but don't consider it humiliation. Neither do they.

I think things happened and it was fun for you. Maybe this couple will go further next time. If not, you can find someone else to date.

This is a solid point worth reading twice.

Why am I on here on Valentine’s Day? Happy V Day to all. ❤️ Billy you were not scammed. We have been with many first timers and most don’t know what to do or when to do, they met you so you can lead them to what you met for. Getting naked is one of the hardest parts for first timers, some will wait for us to make the first move. You did all the right pre-meeting things, wives talk first, meeting for drinks, getting to know them first. Getting naked is not always the guarantee to complete sex, many couples will stop before anymore happens. Our meetings are usually with bicurious women leading to a much bigger challenge because same sex sex is completely new. Alan never makes the first move, I am less threatening and have a better take on how to make things progress. Not being there I have no idea how Debbie and the husband started, who initiated the sex and why you and the wife watched. Is it possible you didn’t initiate the sex with the wife who being new didn’t know how to initiate the sex herself. Some women want more and don’t want to be the one to initiate. Hesitation is not a sign of not wanting. Some women need a little push, not forcibly just a sign. Debbie could have shown her approval by encouraging the wife but that didn’t happen. You are relatively new and they were completely new, call them and set a next time and be a little more aggressive and see where it goes. Go with an open mind.

Seems to me like a good start. More of a good start. Were you? Time to put on your seductive moves. Did your wife take care of you afterwards? It would have been a good opportunity to start with Debbie to show your readiness then go into the other wife who was obviously turned on by watching her husband with your wife.

I would rather go to Hedo or Desire. Porn stars are overrated.