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My wife is on Ashley Madison with my knowledge, not everyone on there is cheating. She joined as revenge for my indiscretions and now we both have a better understanding. On AM women are free members so if there are bots it doesn’t affect her membership. We no longer hide our passwords and emails, we are an open book to the other with full permission to read everything. There was a data breach years ago so she set up an email she only uses on the site and now has a cell exclusively for those she meets. She never put a credit card on her membership. Not every man she meets is a scumbag. As @numex said about his wife and married men she met, men have reasons to be members. No sex at home, bad marriages, most men talk in bed about the why. This is not swinging in the purest sense, it’s consensual sex outside of marriage. I have no desire or need to watch my wife have sex with others. I read on here how men want to watch their wives do things, multi-men, gang bangs, or enjoy being cuckolded, I don’t. The times we met others together I preferred separate rooms. I have been with her with men she met for threesomes that were strange for me but fun in that strange way. Her meetings are set up now with me looking at the profiles and reading the texts of the men contacting her. I know where she is going and she only goes to better hotels, no hourly flea bag hotels. She has in her profile that she doesn’t want any long term relationships, one nighters are fine. Ashley Madison is not for everyone, there are fakes on all sex sites. I have looked at joining for myself, it’s not cheap for men and possibly there are female bots to get men to spend credits, I never joined. Most of the men are cheaters which I feel is safer over single men, they have to go home with clean health records. The best men to play with for her are men who can financially go to better hotels and restaurants.

Thank you for this important question. Bear in mind-this is a data-free zone. There are, to my knowledge, no reliable data on the effectiveness of the vaccine in persons in our age cohort. For those on the board 45 years of age and younger, there are data supporting the effectiveness of HPV vaccine. If you are in the LS, or otherwise have multiple partners, or your partner has other partners, the evidence suggests that vaccination is wise. HPV vaccines are not licensed for use in adults aged >45 y. The thinking is that by this age, exposure is likely already there, immunity is there and so on. The problem with the logic is that it assumes that exposure to other serotypes, re-exposure, and so on are consonant with the general population >age 45. For those in the LS, that assumption may not hold. There is an obvious need to do a randomized, controlled trial. The barriers to such a trial are self-evident. First, most people in the LS choose to conceal their participation, even from their personal physicians. Second, the manufacturer is unlikely to see a profitable market in the indication for age>45, and therefore will only see downside risk and cost. The best answer to your question is likely " speak with your healthcare provider". I doubt you will find (m)any willing to consider it for your/my/our age group. Now, data-free zone. If you are on this board and you (and/or your partners) are 45 years of age or younger, run (do not walk) and get the vaccine. If you are 46-55, have the conversation with your healthcare provider, discuss off-label use, and be prepared to pay the full cost of the vaccine. 56+, I think it will be hard to persuade anyone that you should get the vaccine. Finally, consider your adult children. If they escaped the initial series--and this is common especially among males 35-45--have a conversation with them about the HPV vaccine. It's irrelevant whether they are in the LS; the likelihood that they will have no other sex partners in their lifetime is not zero. Even if they are monogamous and happily married. Encourage them to speak to their healthcare provider. It might be a lifesaving conversation.

Connecting the dots for those who may be less medically aware... Years ago, the standard way to screen for cervical cancer was the Papanicolaou ("Pap") smear. With the recognition that most cervical cancers were related to HPV infection, contemporary screening for cervical cancer increasingly relies on detection of (persistent) HPV infection. Hysterectomy is performed not to "clear the infection" but rather because persistent HPV infection is taken as a signal of early cervical cancer. See, for more info, https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/infectious-agents/hpv-and-cancer

In my opinion, this is the result of the philosophy of making friends of swingers, not swingers of friends. Not that it isn't a valid approach, but is one of the downsides of not being friends first.

What Peterj said. and When you couple that with what a powerful bonding agent sex is this is not unusual. I am guessing that being besties with an ex spouse is about even with LS friends whose relationships is not altered somewhat. This is understandable. The LS isn't marriage, but there are some comparable factors. How many marriages falter if sex suddenly ceases? It still sucks though.

Before we were married, Daniela's had on-going relationships mostly with married men. Usually more than one at a time. But she didn't find them on cheaters sites, she just met men struggling in their marriage in real life. Daniela believed that married men that she chose were safer in all respects, more grateful, and knew the boundaries of the relationship; there was love to varying degrees, but he wasn't leaving his wife. Daniela says that she saved marriages, didn't destroy them. She had several men over the years as lovers whose wives were struggling with post-partum sex issues. She would encourage them to tell her about their wives and coax them to let her meet them under innocent circumstances. She would compliment their wives, and then wives to the husbands. Daniela was in control - she would choose him in the first place; paid for what they did. She likened it to eating off the other woman's plate in a restaurant, "Yours looks better than mine." She would have him tell her of his vulnerabilities, of his sex life with his wife. When he would complain about his wife not giving him blowjobs or anal, she'd tell him that's what she was here for. None of them divorced, even the one where the wife figured it out and civilly let Daniela know by telling me that I must be a good fuck. Daniela says that she was, but an even better listener. Daniela and the other man's wife still communicate on good terms. So maybe that would be a good approach - it certainly would be an interesting one - find a married man in a struggling marriage and try to help the couple get through the rough times.

Afternoon, I got snipped maybe 10 years ago. The procedure was fine and the pain was very manageable. I didn't take any pain meds, but I tend to stay away from all pharma products anyway. So, the pain was manageable without drugs. AND it provided an excuse to sit at home for 2-3 days and watch movies and be waited on. Actually, I was up and about the next day, but protective of the 'boys'. I highly recommend this to anyone. Way less intrusive than the options for the ladies. The procedure took less than 1 hour. In and out of the office. Really, no big deal. The payoff is no more birth control for us, which was welcome. No concerns about playing and having a condom break opening up the possibility of getting a play partner pregnant. I have noticed reduced quantity of ejaculate. Not sure if that's related to the procedure or age. I think age as that change has been more recent than the surgery. I honestly don't know why a committed couple would choose any other form of serialization Good luck, S

Hello all, My wife and I are in our 40s and are Evangelical Christians and have been reading alot about how its actually not sin to swing and not adultery, based on scripture. We would love though to maybe chat with another evangelical Christian Couple who are more studied than us just to give us some tips please? We are British and in the UK, so obviously will be virtually but we would really appreciate some tips from a biblical point of view aswell as just knowing we are not the only Christian swingers Hoping another Christian couple will be willing for a quick chat sometme and connect? Thanks all

Ashley Madison. We understand the site attracts those looking for affairs not for swingers. We are swingers in the lifestyle and enjoy all the things we do together. Additionally we enjoy the hunt of finding new partners who aren’t searching, couples and men at a hotel, bar or sporting event. Michael watches me approaching others and convincing them to join us. Finding willing couples is extremely difficult, men a little easier. Finding a man who is willing to allow Michael watch is a problem. The men who agree are more and more nasty to both of us and we are now choosing with more discretion. Michael agrees that I could join and meet men if he gets to see who they are and possibly meet them. Has anyone met others on that site, is it safe and what quality of partners have you met.

Totally get what you mean. We've been on a break for several months and with only a couple of exceptions, most of our friends have been pretty quiet. We lead excessively busy lives and probably couldn't schedule much right now if were weren't on a break, but even ignoring sex, the lack of fun daily texts and banter with LS friends has life feeling kind of dull.

FL, as a medical professional perhaps you can clarify for me a related issue. My understanding is that prior to the advent of the HPV vaccine virtually all sexually active individuals, female and male, reasonably quickly became exposed to the HPV virus. And most people cleared the infection without complications. My further understanding is that the ubiquity of prior infection and the immunity that provided from re-infection is the reason that vaccination was only recommended for adolescent females. In your opinion is there any benefit from vaccination for older individuals who are sexually active with multiple partners, such as is the case with members of this board?

My wife started her sex life with an older girl in high school. Although she started fooling with boys shortly thereafter, she did consider herself lesbian for a while and this girl was her primary, regular partner even as this girl went to college and Daniela moved to high school. She says that sex with another girl was more understanding, tender, and instructive than the boys who were just trying to shove it in her. Daniela's young female lover also taught her how to deal with boys.

Perhaps not surprising, njbm, but I’m sure still a bit disappointing. You and your wife would like to think there were aspects of your relationships with swinger friends that would be sufficient for those friendships to endure even absent the sexual component. Alas…🙁 My personal observation is that this phenomenon is not restricted to swinging friendships. I have friendships that go back more than 50 years to grad school, undergraduate and even high school. These friendships are broad-based and we have a long mutual history. I expect these folks will be friends until we die (which frankly is happening all too often to both vanilla and lifestyle friends.) However, in the case of friendships that developed in a specific context — business, participant sports or cultural activities — when that focal point is lost because that specific connection is broken for them or for me, with only a few exceptions the friendship fades. It’s not that there’s anything negative; the valence of the other positive adpects of the relationship aren’t sufficient to keep it going.

Since COVID 19 hit in early 2020, we also took a break. Our break actually started when a couple of couples in our fairly small and pretty much closed group of swing friends started having problems with HPV. This definitely has caused some serious problems for all. We started doing checkups every 6 months, went to watch and be watched only and not even a hint of soft swing either. After nearly 3 years we both went back to yearly checkups. I got the original HPV Vaccine when they came out (I am a youngun I guess) . Robb and I both got the newest HPV vaccines on our dermatologist's recommendation regarding some skin cancer spots we both had removed. Insurance wouldn't pay for the vaccines (three shot series) for us older folks. Unless some cure comes up for HPV, we will just continue to watch and be watched, which has definitely shown us which of our swing friends were actually friends and which were not. Julie and Robb

I’ve been asked a lot of things to do over twenty plus years in the LS. Nothing really bizarre or off putting. I love pleasuring women, a real giver and over time have a reputation so I’m asked often…..by many women….some their first time at the party for oral. Oral only. They know I require nothing in return…..just the pleasure of making them feel really good and have an incredible orgasm……or several. Most often asked to perform this while the woman is making out or plowing her mate.?. Not sure why this is a thing but it is. Older and larger built women the most often. I have a few regulars who always seek me out. Their husbands play but do not as much but like getting oral……some do not get it at all at home….go figure. I also play well with others so I’m often asked to be the third in a threesome (MFM) not shy but not bi. So I get asked to help her fulfill her fantasy. I am willing to play with any consenting woman and prefer a thicker woman. Many BBW and SBBW love that when we play their is nothing I leave not done or touched unless they said no. so for me I’m asked often to give a woman oral.

From my poly perspective: True. Every person is different, their sexual connection is different, and therefore the intimacy is different. There is a deep love between my husband and Lora. Even though I am in love and have sex with both of them (and see them make love), I am left wondering about the mystery (to me) of their intimacy. The bond, the intimacy, among us women is greater than with the men. Interesting. When the situation arises that I am with David and Red, you are right - it is about sex, two guys wanting to bang me. It's not intimate, it's not love, but I really like it. I'm not sure how Clair and Lora find it. When it's me in an FFM, it is love, it is intimate for us. It is two women in love unselfishly sharing a man who belongs to us.

I've never thought of it that way. Daniela believes rather that she is stealing a part of him. This is all kind of deep for me, but I know that her freedom has improved her and makes her happy.

I have read these posts and I want to throw my towel in the ring. I go to a Baptist church but don't consider myself overly religious. I am not going to criticize what anyone here has posted, just tell you what our pastor told the congregation 2 weeks ago in his message. Our pastor said marriage is one man and one woman and unmarried people are to refrain from any forms of sex till marriage! Now, all I could do is look around our congregation and wondered how many followed what he preached. It sounds good, but I truly doubt that many people do that. Like I said, preacher said this, but I can't believe that people have the willpower to follow thru. My opinion, people can find anything in the bible to back their agenda.

Newtothis; responding to your point about Matthew 5:28: It is very common for people to quote passages of the Bible, yet not pull in the surrounding content for reference, much less connect it to other parts of the Bible. In no way do I mean that you are doing this. I want to highlight some things, that is all. First, understand that Matthew is defending Jesus as the Messiah, and that Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament. Take 5:28 a little further, and have a look at 5:32. Look past the written text here just a bit; here, if a woman committed sexual immorality, she could be divorced and thus be married again without her new husband committing adultery. But...what man under such criteria would marry such a woman? Taking the text more literally, if a woman did not commit sexual immorality, but her husband divorced her anyway (think; against her will), any man marrying her in the future would be committing adultery every time he went to bed with her. Nevermind the dichotomy of treatment of men vs. women in this scenario! Any woman who marries is essentially doomed to only every having the one husband unless her husband dies before she does. If the marriage is a failed marriage in every respect but sexual immorality, she can never divorce him, or if she does...can never remarry. I can't imagine this is what God intends for women. I refuse to accept that. And this is New Testament! Of note; my wife was married before me. My wife fully intended to remain married to him for the rest of her life. She never cheated on him. He divorced her anyway. Thus, according to the Bible I am committing adultery every time my wife and I are intimate. I don't think that is what God really intended. Back to 5:28; as I think we all know, men on average are more visually oriented in sexual attraction to others. This is not to say that women aren't as well, but for most men it is a powerful motivator. God made us this way. Let that sink in. God made us that way. It is good that sexual attraction (in both sexes) is part of us as it promotes the furtherance of the species, Without it, we would have died out a long time ago. Being lustful towards another is not in and of itself a sin. Where and how such desire is directed is where sin can come. If I look at my neighbor's wife with lust and desire, and I have no reason to believe that couple is non-monogamous, then my attentions are most certainly unwanted and I am doing something wrong. If I am looking at another man's wife, and I know they are non-monogamous, then how is that any different than me being single and admiring the beauty of a single woman? Referring to my earlier post; where is the victim? Where is the crime if there is no victim? Where is the sin if there is no crime? The key to this, as with having sex with others, is what counts as adultery. What counts as adultery to me is based on what counts as being harmful. In my day to day life, I encounter attractive women from time to time. If I'm directly interacting with them, I will address them while looking at their face, their eyes. If I'm not interacting with them, I will appreciate their beauty if I can do so in a way that is discrete, unknown to them. I hate the idea of a woman feeling like she is objectified. I don't want to do that. That creates a victim. There is harm in that. I can't change the reality that I am visually attracted to women. I can choose how to act within that reality, and prevent harm from occurring being that reality. My wife is well aware that I do this, and appreciates that I am discrete. She is not bothered by this, and sometimes even points out attractive women to me (and me, vice-versa with men). If she was not happy about this, I would do everything in my power to stop, whether she was aware or not. Otherwise, I would be making a victim of her. Again, it boils down to where there is harm there is sin. Let's look at this another way. "Thou shalt not commit adultery" is one of the ten commandments. So is "Thou shalt not murder". If you take both of these commandments with a literal interpretation, then the outcome would be no sex outside of marriage no matter what the circumstances, and no killing anyone for any reason ever. Let's look at murder. If a soldier in war kills their enemy, is it murder? Does it depend on whether it was justified? How do we determine "justified"? If an assailant is killed by their victim, is it murder? I remember reading of a very young mother whose husband had died. She was home alone with her infant. Two men attempted to break into her house. She killed the one who first made it through the door, and the other ran off (later arrested). Did she commit murder? When is murder murder? These are both commandments. If killing is not always murder, then why is adultery always adultery? Are there circumstances under which adultery is not adultery? Search that within your heart, within your faith. Ultimately, you can read and read and read the Bible...but it comes down what you feel. If it feels like adultery, it likely is. I've never felt like it was adultery. I've never felt like I was breaking my vows to my wife, or her to me. We take delight in having sex with others. I am very happy she enjoys other men, and I love watching and participating with her with other men. She always comes away happy, and our relationship is always the closer for it. My wife doesn't take the same pleasure in watching me have sex with another woman (it's indifferent to her), but she does take pleasure in knowing how good it makes me feel. We share a very special bond. That bond is not in any way harmed or threatened by us having sex with others. In fact, the bond is very much enhanced by the experiences we have had in having sex with others. This isn't to say we didn't have uncertainty when we first started doing this. The first time she had sex with another man in front of me was a bit of a nervous time for me and her. The first couple of times were in fact. It wasn't until the third time that my wife was convinced. It was an MFM. My wife had an absolutely amazing time, and could not get enough sex with the other man. She loved him being inside her, and throughout the very long session we had with him he was inside her for most of it. I thoroughly loved it as well, and took great delight in how much she enjoyed it. Nothing but joy came out of that evening, for all involved. I can not imagine in any respect such a joyous evening being in any way an act of adultery. Adultery ruins things; it doesn't enhance, it doesn't bring joy, it doesn't bring satisfaction. It destroys, stains, corrupts, ruins. Our having sex with others never does that. I'm not going to tell you that non-monogamy is for you. Do NOT take any of the above as trying to convince you. I'm providing a perspective from us, and how it worked for us. I can't speak to how it might work for you. Not all couples are suitable for non-monogamy, and there's nothing wrong with that. Couples that aren't suited for it will be harmed by it, and that is a form of adultery. You have to discern this for yourself. You will never be 100% certain if you're suited for it until you try it. But, neither should you try it if you're not pretty certain you're ready. For my wife and I, this took many months of discussion, research, re-discussion many times on previously discussed points, imagined scenarios, reactions, emotions, love, patience, and prayer. For some couples, it happens the first weekend they start thinking about it. Your journey is yours. We're always hear to answer your questions as best we can!

Thank you, that is a great intelligent and some great scripture references. For us its making sure we are not just making scripture suit what we would like but like you said approaching it with honesty and it scriptures true context and true meaning, As I can see how certain things Churches have twisted things over the years. I can see how the greatest men of God, many many of them had concubines who I presume they had sex with right? these are women who were unmarried. These men also had lots of wives too. I can see how God never said it was sinful ever....people say well Gods orginal plan was only one man and one woman and quote “Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” Genesis 2:24 (ESV) But I dont think that scripture means that? Do you? Also even if that was Gods orginal plan then it certainly wasnt sin for those Godly men who had many sexual partners as God NEVR condemed them for it. King David only sinned with Bethsheba because he took her from her husband without his consent. I see also how in the New Testmant Jesus liberated women to the same and equal as men so women had the same sexual freedom and were no long considered property of men, whch ofcourse was good. I am struggiling with the true meaning of this? Matthew 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Obviously with swinging you have to feel a degree of lust and sexual desire towards the person you swing with right? But then again......all the Godly men of the Bible who had sex outside of their marriage with many different women must have looked with lust but God never condemed them for this or said it was sin? So I am confused with that? Any ideas? Also: Colossians 3:5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. What is sexually imorality or impurity or passion or covertness in relaton to swinging? again I go back to how the greatest Godly men had many women and that obviously wasnt sexual imorality or impurity. I read that "The Bible speaks of sex outside of marriage as immoral and adulterous (1 Corinthians 6:13, 18; 10:8; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3)." But how is it adultery as God allowed men to sleep with other women in the bible and didnt say it was sin or immoral. I also read "should be considered adultery if the other spouse allows, approves, or even participates in it. The answer is an unequivocal yes, it is adultery! God is the one who defines what marriage is and what adultery is" But again God never called it adultery when all the men who were Godly men had sex with other women and where it says Gods the one who defines what marriage is but God did not define marriage as a man or woman to only ever have sex with eachother for the rest of their life as far as I can see and certainly not consistant as men did not have sex with only their wife in the OT. Also people who say this quote the becoming one flesh scripture but that just simply means they are basically physically inside eachother when they have sex, not that they become physcially forever part of eachother and no where does it say that they must now only ever have sex with eachother and no one else...it doesnt say that and that would be adding to that scripture.

Thank you, that is a great intelligent and some great scripture references. For us its making sure we are not just making scripture suit what we would like but like you said approaching it with honesty and it scriptures true context and true meaning, As I can see how certain things Churches have twisted things over the years. I can see how the greatest men of God, many many of them had concubines who I presume they had sex with right? these are women who were unmarried. These men also had lots of wives too. I can see how God never said it was sinful ever....people say well Gods orginal plan was only one man and one woman and quote But I dont think that scripture means that? Do you? Also even if that was Gods orginal plan then it certainly wasnt sin for those Godly men who had many sexual partners as God NEVR condemed them for it. King David only sinned with Bethsheba because he took her from her husband without his consent. I see also how in the New Testmant Jesus liberated women to the same and equal as men so women had the same sexual freedom and were no long considered property of men, whch ofcourse was good. I am struggiling with the true meaning of this? Matthew 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Obviously with swinging you have to feel a degree of lust and sexual desire towards the person you swing with right? But then again......all the Godly men of the Bible who had sex outside of their marriage with many different women must have looked with lust but God never condemed them for this or said it was sin? So I am confused with that? Any ideas?

Former hardcore Catholic girl here. I, as well as the other women in our poly family, have had children by both men (and no other). Our relationships, especially among us three women, is as solid and devoted as any I know. Each of the children have five parents who treat them as their own. We have on occasions played outside our family, so I understand your point. But there is another rare level to our situation. Perhaps we women are like concubines of old.

Newtothis; WELCOME! While I can't claim to be evangelical per se, my wife and I are most emphatically Christian. Of course, God calls us to evangelize regardless of how we label ourselves, and we do. For the record; we attend both an Anglican church and a Baptist church. Getting into swinging and reconciling that with a Christian life was something that was challenging for us. We didn't want to approach it as the sort of thing where we tried to ram it through, and twist and contort the Gospel to meet our idea of what we needed it to be to support swinging. We wanted to approach it with truth, honesty, and openness. We concur with jamesok; adultery is cheating. It's an interesting word. Work through that in the context of the Bible. Read the Gospel about this. What we found in our own understanding was that adultery is the act of one spouse bespoiling themselves by having relations outside of marriage without consent of the spouse. The penalties for this are the same for either the husband or the wife; death (Leviticus 20:10). Jesus removed that as a punishment, though the penalty remained. So it would seem to be a grave sin. But is swinging adultery? Is it cheating? Is it bespoiling? That's for you to reconcile within yourself. For us, it came to this simple truth; there is no victim. If there is no victim, where is the harm? If there is no harm, where is the sin? My wife and I choose to have sex with other people. They come away from it happier. We come away from it happier. Our lives have been more fulfilled by having an open marriage. We are closer, more loving, better communicating, and more trusting. Nothing has come from swinging that in any way has been a negative. We were ready to swing because we had a great marriage to begin with, and because of being able to find answers mostly on this forum. For those who are not ready, it can cause damage and that would result in a victim; themselves. But, dating someone monogamously can cause harm to ourselves. Obviously we are not cheating because we both consent to it. But are we bespoiling the marriage? If it generates such happiness and positive impacts, how can that be the case? Are we bespoiling our bodies? When a man cums inside my wife, is he tainting her by leaving behind his semen? Define 'taint'. My wife can not get pregnant, so no child is being created within her that is not mine. She enjoys the act, as do I. So, how is it bespoiling her? Likewise for me. This is your journey. Don't force yourself to reconcile the concept of swinging with the Bible. Answer the questions, yes. Contort the Bible and yourself to fit this paradigm? No. Prayer, communication, and reflection will guide you.

This is from my friend Sandra. She has regular play partners, Susan and Edison. We've played with both couples at a party or two. They're amazing to have sex with. Sandra emailed this to a freind and said I could share it here. They do have, despite what's written here for somewhat dramatic effect (but not completely ), extremely safe play, everyone is tested and bareback is done only with prior and extensive review. One of the people has a PhD in biochemistry, so oyu get the idea. -------------------------------------------------------------- I had gone over to Susan and Edison’s for lunch. We had sex with each other for the rest of the afternoon , the evening and partially into the next day. I had them independently and together and back again. It had been a fantastic time and that’s saying a lot considering how many times they’ve had me over the years. After the three of us had fallen asleep, same bed of course, a California King, Edison had me twice more, a couple of hours apart.. Barebacked, cock slick with my pussy and cumming inside me in steady pumps; I came slow and hard and in a way that thrills and had me softly gasping, all with his cock in my pussy and my tongue down his throat . He moved over me, he was so warm and I just let him take me, like he had so often. Breakfast was a makeout session in the shower with Susan. A lusty, cannot get enough of each other, under cascading water that was nearly lovemaking, yet more exquisite. I adore her in wet hair. I still remember , at a house party, when I had gone down on her with quite an audience watching, afterwards a woman walked and said,”I’ve never seen her orgasm as hard for any other woman”. How fantastic to learn. Alex was gone for the weekend and last night’s threesome was a warmup for tonight. Susan and I were lined up for an evening of foursome sex with two brothers who had me and Susan in the past. The brothers had been married a couple of years, now recently divorced. So, if ever we just wanted a night of fucking, with two handsome men and my best makeout gal pal, this was it. I left Susan and Ed with their warmth still on my skin. ————————————————- I’m home. All washed up, yoga practiced, re-washed and wrapped in white terrycloth. All ready for an extra nap. Yet, I’m still charged up from the evening before. I can’t help it. I’m all over myself masturbating. Fingers deeply stroking my own g-spot. I’m certainly my own best friend as warm orgasms roll through my body. The rush and overload from my own pussy have me at tears of release. I relax, exhausted and fall asleep. —————————————————- I wake up at two in the afternoon. Susan is coming over at 5 and when the guys arrive, we’re going to an Italian place down the street. Then the text message from the guys. “We’re done early, in the city. Can we come over at 3 ?” I forward the text to Susan, who is always sexually generous. She replies that I’m welcome to start ‘early’ and then they’ll surely be ‘recharged’ by post dinner sex. This translates that Susan really wants to gulp some cum or have some inside her. Good girl I let them know they can arrive as soon as they want to. I promptly get my hair and makeup done and into a dress so tight they’ll see every breath that I take. The thing for me , on an evening like this, is that sex becomes sport. Sex becomes physical art. I’m there for sex and they want to have sex with me. Everything is on the table , yet no-one ever goes past a limit. People just know. ————————————————————— They arrive, and just past 2:30. Plenty enough time for an ‘A’ game effort before Susan arrives. They’re smiling and well dressed. They’re obviously pleased with my outfit. I’m pleased to see them both. I can tell their respiration is slightly higher now they’re in the apartment. They’re pupils gently dilated with excitement. Thee’ even a bit of ‘blush response’ in their cheeks. I take each by the hand and say,”Susan said we can start early,” their smiles become gently brighter. I’m standing in between them and kiss one, then the other, first simply lips, then building to tongues going more deeply with each trade off between them. One starts massaging my breasts. I’m thrilled and reach to their crotches . The undo their belts, easing access to the inside of their pants. I pull both their cocks ut and start stroking them both while kissing them both back and forth. In a few more moments I drop to my knees. I start sucking one cock, then the next, using each and to pump them equally fast. Mouth slipping over one cock head, then the next, warmly applying my tongue just right. Easing back just a smidgen. I’m not against them cumming right now, just not totally for it. I guess I want to start with a sexual ‘showstopper’ of sorts. It’s nice they’re really appreciate the sucking and even more nice that they bring me to my feet to kiss some more. Maybe their not ready to come yet, either. Kissing me, they step out of their pants and remove their shirts. Fresh kissing with each my hands pumping cock. I can feel them becoming just a smidgen slippery with precum. My dress comes off. We’re all three of us naked and I’m sandwiched between them. One is kissing my neck from behind , the other slowly kissing down my breasts, past my stomach, then starts darting his tongue against my pussy making it wetter by the moment. I pull his head closer with one hand, while reaching back daring the neck nibbler closer in . They both become more forceful with me, which is just what I wanted. With that I’m kissing the one in front of me again, gently leaning forward into him. Then my moment of truth . A cock enters me from behind for my first fuck of the night. Slides right int0o me as my tongue slides even deeper into the man kissing me. The cock inside me is thrusting its a faster rhythm, but both men are still completely with me. As the cock thrusts deeper, each side of my neck is being kissed. One hand gently pressures my nipples. I don’t care what they do as long as they fucking doesn’t stop. I each down and stroke my clit for more arousal . The cock comes out of my and I’m turned around to be shared. I’m kissed even more deeply as the other cock enters me just as enthusiastically as the other. I wish Alex were here to see me fucked like this. I orgasm and my body shudders. They know I’m cumming and are quite satisfied with themselves. I just want more. We end up in the bedroom. I’m willingly on all fours being spit roasted. My ass being well gripped for leverage as I’m enthusiastically having it ‘put to me’. There is a cock in my trying to go more deeply with each push forward.I’m cumming again and I get exactly the poetry I wanted. Just as I feel the surge in my pussy and the release of him inside me, the cock in my mouth sums and I start literally gulping it down. I suck even harder as he cuts and lets out a yell of pleasure. Then, as the cock in my pussy ejaculates I grind back. Hard . I’m being willfully barebacked as he pushes forcefully into my grinding pussy. They both warmly hold me with post fucking energy of both having had me. They say I’m amazing and beautiful and everything they had hoped for. I’m kissed and massaged. I’m fingered to my g-spot to organs, then have my pussy lightly spanked until I orgasm even more. They’re both still hard enough to each slowly fuck me missionary style, while the other watched. Everyone gets a quick shower and cleaned up before Susan arrives. ———————————————————————————————- I open the door and Susan walks in. “Oh, Sweetie, good for you !” She can see immediately how well I had already been laid that afternoon. The guys smiling at what they felt was both an accomplishment and a compliment. “Okay everyone looks like they’re ready to go to dinner down the block.” The she says,”one thing first,” and cups my face in her hands and kisses me deeply, then pauses looking at the guys and says”Coming attractions”. I almost came from her kiss I was still so revved up. Dinner was at a nice little Italian restaurant. We were all flirty with each other, always for fun. Susan does allow for one sincere moment and says to them both,”Remember. you’re here because we genuinely wanted you here,” then moved on as if nothing had been spoken. A bottle of wine between the four of us , gently took the ‘edge’ off. I was also pretty certain that Susan would be right and the guys would be ‘recharged’ with luscious cum. I couldn't wait to have some of it inside me again. We get back to the apartment and Susan said,” As you know I’m lonely here through the evening, so let’s not make me wait too long,” and she lead me by the hand to the bedroom, the guys willingly following us. We get upstairs, and she tells the guys to sit on the divan (I have very large bedroom). Susan explains as she starts unbuttoning my blouse (the dress was too disheveled to wear again) that she’s going to undress me, that she was going to get naked and we were going to ‘go to town’ on each other, for just a bit and they better be hard and ready. The guys are watching as she’s kissing my neck from behind, finishing undoing my blouse, then my bra. As my breasts spill out their eyes go wide as if they’re seeing them for the first time. Susan slides my jeans of, then my panties. Did I mention I shaved myself clean for the evening. one hand is on my breasts, the other is in my pussy with fingers curling inside making me freshly wet. She pauses and her clothes evaporate off her. She ends up on her back and we’re kissing, our now naked bodies completely over each other. I love kissing her. I can do it all night long. our hair becomes tangled together and it’s sexy and wonderful. We come up for ‘air’ and we look over to the guys. They’re naked with cocks full and ready. Susan gives then the single finger, ‘come hither’ motion and they nearly fall over each other getting to her. She picks one, with a kiss and he moves over her body. The other, I'm sitting up on the edge of the bed, starts going down on me. I’m thrilled with his tongue. Susan wastes no time getting what she wants. I look over and he’s inside her already, fucking away. His fingers running through her hair, her tongue deeply in his mouth as she claws his ass harder. My guy, willing and impatient , perhaps to keep up, pushes me back and enters me easily , I’m so wet. We’re both getting really , simply, plainly , really well fucked. They’re just as enthusiastic with the fucking as they had been with me just a couple of hours ago. I’m arching my back tall so he can have all of me. God. I want this. I love being desired like this. As I arch higher, his hands slide firmly over my breasts. My bare pussy wanting his cock to cum bareback in me again. Oh my god, I suddenly get flipped over , on all fours, and he plunges into me like and animal might. He’s over my back, gently biting my shoulder and then I feel him shudder, chumming into me again. He’s not done with me . At least not yet. I’m flipped over again, this time on my back. Missionary style, inside and over me. Susan is now riding her guy. Her arms outstretched over her head. his hands grasping her breasts (which she loves)I can see his cock going into her completely as she rides it up and plunges down on it , time after time. Then she pauses and with him still on his back starts blowing him. His body shudders with her mouth still on his cock taking in his cum. He strokes her face as he finishes in her mouth. With that she moves over to me and my guy realizes something is about to happen and moves off me. Susan leans over, kisses me and the cum starts flowing into my mouth. I reach behind to her neck and gently pull her closer to me, appreciating the cum and her tongue sliding into my mouth. Susan gently pulls away with just a bit of cum dripping from her lips onto my face. She kisses and licks it off with a mischievous grin. both men exclaim,”Damn !” at the exquisite sight. She gestures my guy to return and he enters me again . He must be really turned on because after two thrusts he comes into me. Fresh cum in my mouth and pussy at the same time. He doesn’t stop pumping, hips sliding against mine, and I orgasm again, my body shaking with all the stimulation. Susan says to him,”Are you still hard ?” He replies he is and she says,”What are you waiting for ?” I signal to him that he should not make her wait and he mounts Susan. He’s her second man in moments and she loves it. He’s even reaching around to stroke her pussy, then massaging a breasts and back again. What a wonderful attention to detail. Once at a special house party, I watched her go from fuck to fuck to fuck working over each husband (and some wives) as she met them. They all loved it. This is her gift, just amazing sexual energy in a charged environment. Each time sex with Susan is a fully committed experience. The men always realize it and so do the women. Susan is on all fours arching her back with a full smile while being handsomely fucked. He’s giving as good as he’s getting, holding her hips and grinding into her with each push. Then , like me, she’s flipped over for full body contact missionary. Their kissing is as much of a turn on to watch as his fucking of her. I feel hands slide up my back and here the words,”No rest for the wicked,” I move around and without a thought start sucking his cock. Despite him having first dibs with Susan, he’s all mine now. I suck him and swallow his balls and back again. He’s hard again (go me !) and I get on top and fully embrace him as he fucks, pushing his cock into me rapid fire. Who knew he had more to give ? I kiss his neck and whisper,”You’re amazing . I want all of you. Make me cum one more time.” He gives me all the thrashing he can, yet he’s spent. That’s okay because I get to whisper,”You did it. You’re the best.” He kisses me and holds me close and warm. In this moment. I’m his girl. The guys have given all they can. Susan and I are on the bed. She comes over and kisses me gently and tells me I’ve been a ‘good girl’. In this moment I’m totally sub to her. She straddles my face and I grab her haunches and start lapping her up. Again the guys are in unison,”Oh, yeah,” and they watch. My tongue slides over her pussy and she rocks back and forth, reaching upwards and having nice slow orgasms. I feel her thighs shake around my head. We finally truly stop. The men truly pleased with themselves and the night. Susan and I got what we wanted, sex with very willing men and each other. Yet, Susan had to get going. While guys showered in my second bathroom. Susan and I end up just like this morning, making out in the shower. Before yesterday , we hand’t been together for months and it was obvious we had really missed each other. Downstairs in the kitchen we said goodbyes and Susan headed out. I look at my two very tired men and said,” Let’s get some sleep. You’re both with me in bed and you need to be naked”. And off we went to sleep…for now.

Imagine if this story was in reverse, a man takes his wife who is barely on board to a group of swingers then he pairs off with one of the girls and leaves his wife to fend for herself. He has a great time and she’s struggling with watching her husband have sex with another woman. Now he wants to quickly do it again and she’s freaked out and not ready…………..would you all tell her to take a pill or get some lube? Please people For swinging to work both people have to be looking out for the other….especially their first time.

College is overrated. Just convince that child to be an Influencer and live on the beaches of Thailand.

I never thought of that so I looked it up. What I read is sperm is a very small part of ejaculate, 1-3% and most likely not noticeable in the quantity. It could be age. It can also be you are having more sex, lucky guy. Age: Males tend to ejaculate the largest volume of semen in their thirties. As they age, this volume decreases. Sexual activity: Recent sexual activity, including masturbation, may decrease semen volume, which potentially reduces the distance semen can travel. Prolonged periods of abstinence may cause a person to produce more semen than their usual amount. Genetic factors: Genetics play a role in most aspects of health, including the volume of semen. Some people naturally ejaculate more or less compared to others, regardless of health or lifestyle. Lifestyle factors: Diet, smoking, and many other lifestyle factorsTrusted Source can affect semen quality and overall health. For example, most research shows regular exercise may improve fertility and sperm quality, and studies suggest it may increase semen volume. Overall health: General health may affect semen volume. For example, a person with a chronic illness, such as diabetes, might notice a change in their semen. Hormonal issues may also influence semen quality.

Yes. Been there done that and have the tee shirt. I did this for two reasons late in life. I made a conscious decision I only wanted children with my Queen, my best friend, lover, wife. This came about because I was asked on a few occasions to be the surrogate father/sperm donor (yes the old fashion way) from younger friends of ours. A blessing and honor but I gently declined. I am not that guy to father a child and not be involved. They understood and there was not any issue going forward. One couple eventually got pregnant by the her SO, like winning the Lotto. Both very glad I declined. secondly we had been involved in the LS for many years and with close friends/playmates we played naturally. The ladies preferred it that way but a few were still able to get pregnant. So it all made sense. being pregnancy safe opens many doors personally for your SO. As well as any other lady you might play with in the LS.

There is extraordinary wisdom in these words. It's worth pausing and reflecting on those conforming activities that are essential and what expectations are optional. Some conforming activities tend to focus on safety. We drive on one side of the road and stop at red lights. We pay taxes so that the roads and red lights are there. We do not yell "fire!" in a crowded theater. And so on. Many if not most conforming activities have limited value. Neckties on men. Textiles of any sort when swimming. Fish on Friday (you have to be old enough to remember). These are usually about power: if one willingly "goes with the flow" on a dress code, other things follow and whoever prescribed the activity gains further authority. Prep schools have known and understood this for years. Fads induce temporary conforming about typically ridiculous things -- yet power still accrues to those who started the fad. (Pet Rocks? Yep.) It takes an enormous amount of maturity and self-confidence to assert the truth in the face of broad denial. Yet this is something that both the nudist community and the swinger community do. The nudists say that clothes are of practical use, and when not needed can be shed without stigma. The swingers say that marriage is about the emotional bond unrelated to monogamy. The nudists assert that the fashion industry sells clothes that are not really needed. The swingers assert that marital stability is compromised by expectations of sexual exclusivity, the latter being neither natural nor logical. Focusing on the intersection of those two communities--those who are both nudists and swingers--might be less important than focusing on the union, meaning all who are nudists or swingers or both. Being a member of either or both communities means that a socially imposed conformity is being rejected as nonsense and another choice is made. In the end, nudists do have sex and swingers do get naked. That doesn't make the two communities congruent. But it does help explain why a fair number of people are both literally and figuratively "comfortable in their own skins" around others who are equally comfortable.

I have to admit, I ask for it a lot. I do not do big guys, that helps with the size problem. Although I can't come from that alone, all my fwb's know that I am going to come if they do anal and put a vibrator on my clit. I do have a fwb that comes when I do him anally with a harness, he says it is a different orgasm and has nothing to do with his cock.

Mrs fun said she only tried anal one time with an ex husband. From what she said, it didn't appear either one knew what they were doing and she never tried it again. I had mentioned to her it was something I liked on occasion and if done correctly it isnt painful and will be pleasureable. With a little convincing she tried it, and actually orgasmed from it. Now its not something we do every day, and save it for when SHE asks for it. As far as doing it with others....that's off the table for many reasons. Most importantly it takes a level of trust so as you don't get hurt.

For Mrs.DontStop, it takes a level a trust that she hasn't found in a playmate yet. We may get there someday, but that day isn't today and it won't be tomorrow either.

I am just not a big fan of anal, but when I want it, I only want my hubby to do it for me. There's a level of trust and comfort with him that just isn't gonna be there with someone else. We put the anal limitation line it in our profile because it's off the table with playmates and we want to state that up front. There seems to be an assumption that women who enjoy two or more men want DP. It almost always comes up in an opening conversation with potential playmates. All that being said, we've not been asked to do it during playtime.