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In BOTH CASES, BOTH MEN get to "feel each other's COCK" rubbing together! OMG, it's BISEXUAL BLISS and in both cases the wife involved was ALSO HAVING FUN! Never did both with the same couple so can't say what a wife might prefer, except that DVP wife was quite VERBAL as she and I "led the narration" of just how fucking KINKY IT WAS to have TWO COCKS fucking her pussy! I feel SO FORTUNATE to have been included in such a totally CARNAL EXPERIENCE.

See also https://www.latimes.com/food/story/2023-09-12/naked-dinner-party-los-angeles-fude-vegan

One woman in our group likes to be "slapped" on her face with an erect dick. It doesn't do any damage and I don't think she's does it to be degraded, more of a defiant challenge to a guy. I've done it to her, more like for her, several times, but I didn't enjoy it. It sort of hurt. Maybe that's the point she's making.

For me the physical, psychological, and emotional satisfaction is the feel of an internal ejaculation. Vagina first; mouth (I swallow) or bum second. It turns me on to lick up cum, but I prefer getting the semen that leaks from another woman’s pussy. I also go after a spent dick for both his and her excess juices. For me, it's my reclaiming ritual. I also like to snowball, although most men don't, other women are happy to.

Same here. When I’ve been with somebody else, I wanted her to know that she’s where I’m focused. The few times that I *have* managed to steal a minute or two to just watch my wife with another man, it was mesmerizing!

I'm not a guy, but I am bi and have had the experience of "seeing a pussy (or her ass) being fucked upclose." It is hot and so is licking them both. Don't miss it if you can.

I don't know how bi this is to the posters, but I have been in MFM several times and had the other man put my cock in the women's pussy and suck it after I came inside her. This has happened about 6 times and usually the woman is the guy's SO.

When in college I was picked up more than once by women with husbands wanting to watch me fuck their wife. In college 21 year old men don't worry about getting robbed, drink spiked, or fatal attraction, all they are thinking about is that pussy! During college, we frequently went to a bar/ dance club where married women would pickup college men, it was well known for this. Most college towns have a place like this. Were I reckless, sure when you are young and dumb, you do dumb shit. These women were not meth heads looking to rob you. I would dance with these ladies and the topic would go to sex back at their place so her husband could watch. Does it happen? You bet it does and just think of everything you done in your teenage and college days.

Swinging is a magnifying glass: it will make a great relationship really hot, but it will burn a weak one. It will make every shortcoming and flaw that much larger. Neither of you are ready to even think about going here. It WILL NOT END GOOD. Instead, start working on YOUR relationship. Start dating her again...get dressed up and go do things, even if it is only going with her to the clubs. Start doing things together again. Improve your love, trust and communication. Be open and non-judgemental with her when you talk. Remember that the two of you are a team and that the other is there to help. Put her first and treat her with respect and love. It sounds like your relationship can still easily be saved and repaired, but it is also on the beginning of a long downslide that needs to be stopped now. Swinging is not something you should even think about now, but could maybe think about as a goal. But you have other things that you need to take care of right now...you need to put her first again.

I agree with the others that say that completely open, honest communication is a great idea at this point. Use all the appropriate words for what you are talking about, with no dancing around the topic- if you're talking about swinging, directly say the word "swinging"! But in my opinion, this should be just one topic of a wide-ranging discussion that encompasses the entire topic of your wife's happiness and unhappiness. I don't want to hit this too hard, but I thought I saw a couple of little signs that might suggest that your wife might not feel free to express herself as an equal partner in such a conversation. You mentioned that you knew she had stopped her communication with a guy previously, but did not want to go into your basis for knowing this. This suggests that either you are sneaking into her personal electronics, or made separate contact with the guy. Both of these suggest a lack of trust and a lack of openness that, if your wife senses it, might inhibit her from feeling safe to be be open and honest with you. Also, you mentioned that, in your discussion that was kind of about swinging, you laid out a series of ground rules to her. Besides being a very premature topic, this seems like a situation that is best approached as an open discussion and agreement between equals, rather than one in which you lay out the rules to her. In an atmosphere like that, she may not feel free to express her own desires, needs, fantasies, concerns, or insecurities. It's possible that you and your wife may be ready to try swinging. But it sounds to me like you are not yet in a place where swinging is a good idea. Swinging can be a great addition to a solid, loving relationship that is built on a foundation of trust, and open, honest communication. It might be great for couples who are healthy and happy, and who have approaches to sex that are open to consensual non-monogamy. Your wife's current turmoil, it seems to me, is not the best stable starting point for entering into a swinging situation- which, after all, adds some stresses to a relationship all on its own. BTW, are we sure her situation is a midlife crisis? Maybe we reserve judgement on that diagnosis, and let a professional decide that. Good luck, and keep talking!