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Getting back to the original question ;-D I’ve never come on a woman’s face and have never had the desire to. I guess everybody has their own “things”, but I’m just kinda turned off by it, even seeing it in porn.

As a bi woman, I totally agree. The best of both worlds, a woman's pussy and a man's cum. (Can I ask for a man to be going at it in my pussy while I eat her?) Call me hypocritical or unfair or whatever, but again I totally agree. Gay play for me is a turn off. Fortunately, the men I had and have sex with are straight, but like us bi women. Who says that the lifestyle, or sex in general, must be symmetric? To each their own.

I have yet to play with a woman who asked me to ejaculate on her face, but a number who enjoyed having me cum on (not in) them anywhere below the neck. When I was in grad school I had a stay-over girlfriend who sometimes asked me before she left for her classes to jack off on her breasts and massage the semen in. I wondered if others sitting close to her in class could smell the semen. At a party once I was playing with a married couple while others watched. At one point they were fucking missionary. As he got close to orgasm he pulled out, rose to his knees and finished himself by hand. Mostly she got a pearl necklace, but one gob landed in her eye. She was super annoyed. Apparently this had happened before and she predicted her eye would be red and irritated for a day.

Do you find it necessary to post on every post? I can quote fiction too. I do not like green eggs and ham! Would you like them here or there? I would not like them here or there. I would not like them anywhere. There is only one truth, the first three posts every day

You go girl. I had somewhat similar experiences, not exactly the same, and in reverse. After I started fucking both Red and David, felt secure with them, and was full of myself, I got the hots for a guy Sam at work, not a coworker, but a contract employee with one of the big consulting firms. With husband’s approval, I started having sex with Sam. He wasn’t married, had a girlfriend. Occasionally I would call David, during foreplay, while screwing, and in the afterglow of sex with Sam. David was matter-of-fact about it, only interested in whether I was ok and having fun. Sam didn’t necessarily like it, although my chats with hubby were infrequent and short. Sam knew that if he wanted for me to keep satisfying his kinks (blow job/swallow and anal) he’d have to accommodate me connecting with my husband. The dalliance with Sam was a disaster for me, left me unsatisfied, and frustrated. Talking it through with David, I ultimately learned things about myself, that failure with sex wasn’t my fault, and sometimes giving up is best is the best course. And that David is truly a wise and loving man.

Lora and Red visited Joe and Shannon over the past weekend, left Friday returned yesterday Monday. Debriefing them, they all had a good time. Nothing unusual to report, just swapping and threesomes. Probably boring for those here that go to clubs and house parties, but exciting for us opening up our poly family to some outside play. The consensus is that I visit them by myself next, probably before Christmas. After that, Joe and Shan will visit us and stay in a nearby hotel. They, especially Joe, are looking forward to having MFMMs with David and Red. Shan enjoys taking multiple men and Joe likes the mind game of his wife doing that, watching, and her being called and calling herself a slut. We haven't really planned beyond that, but David and I with them has been discussed. There are many more permutations and possibilities.

Like you expression of how you feel. I kind of feel the same.

Adam – Thank you for your insight. I don't mind at all if someone disagrees with me. I appreciate the effort. You are correct; it started as jealousy even though I was the one who set up David’s play dates (the first one with a girl who used to flirt with him in front of me), but it has morphed into something else. Sometimes I wonder if I’ve become the female equivalent of a cuckold. Those guys’ psyche interests me. Either way, I now seek the feeling. I need to search for a more precise term to describe my feelings. In any case, I like it and it doesn’t bother anyone else. BTW, the occasional verbal and slightly physical BDSM play that Lora and I have (the others hate that we do it and are totally uninvolved), stokes my feelings even more. She says to me what I think: she (and other women) are fucking my husband and better than me; I’m a slut for fucking other men; I’m less of a woman because I’m flat chested; she makes me lick her pussy whenever she wants. All of it true. But after cold analysis, she genuinely loves me and has proven it many times, especially the way that she treats my children as well as her own. Oh, and the slapping and verbal abuse does go both ways. I enjoy dominating Lora as well and taunting her with made-up inadequacies.

To a certain degree, I think that's true of female nerds, including me.

Shannon and I (and Joe) have communicated some since our long weekend together but have not had any in-depth post analysis of how they (and we) feel about what we did, although everything has been positive thus far. To answer your question, my guess is that we got where we did for two reasons: The first is because Shannon views her more adventurous days, before Joe, fondly and wanted to relive it, including having her male partner/boyfriend/husband being with other women. The second reason is that David is extremely good at convincing people to go along with his idea. Actually, he makes them think that it is their own good idea to act on. The logic David said that he used with Shan and Joe is that having me play with them is something that we all want. Joe certainly didn’t disagree, and Shannon admitted she was intrigued, both about watching Joe and playing Lezzie with me. David said that he would be around for anything that was needed. (From all the facetime, calls, texts, and emails David and Shannon exchanged, they got to know one another, flirted, and there was interest there as well.) Shannon thought that marriage meant leaving past fun behind, but that “hardline” wasn’t so hard when David convinced her (and Joe) that they could have their cake (marriage) and eat it too (sex with others). It was a combination of it being something that they wanted, extramarital sex, and David being smooth about ‘it’s ok if my wife plays with you guys.” David’s attitude calmed Shan that me do such a thing was fine within a marriage (us being older and married longer), and it excited Joe. Shan and I definitely had the hots for one another, that was part of it, but pile on the thought of Joe fucking me (she previously had threesomes of both types with boyfriends before Joe), and the outside possibility of her playing with my husband was cumulatively enough to make them visit us. Yes, definitely and yeah, maybe. According to Shan, she shared boyfriends (hers and other girls') before Joe, so sharing is one of her fond memories. There is significant evidence that she did it for both homosexual and heterosexual experiences, as well as pimping out her husband. 😉

It was David who picked up where I had given up, talked with and really worked with Shannon, and to some extent Joe, to arrange the weekend. David also reserved our room adjoining theirs and the Sunday babysitting. While I thought that Shannon and I playing while Joe watched was the only possibility, David, Shan, and Joe had already agreed that the four of us would fuck. David kept the others in our family fully in on what he was doing. Clair, Red, and Lora had already been given details by me about my initial flirting and soft play with Joe and Shannon and it was part of our sexual discussions, so although they were tentative about sexual play, they definitely wanted to meet them and were fired up about the possibilities. Saturday into Sunday it was just David and me at the hotel enjoying the novelty of swapping, so the play was pretty much Joe and me, David and Shannon. We did get with our spouses for a short while so we could watch that as well, but it was short enough that the guys didn’t cum before we swapped back. On Sunday unfortunately, Petra was not the center of attention since Red and Shannon became a pair and Joe and Lora became a pair, but David and I did connect during that time; we put on a show. Also, Clair and Shan connected in the Lezzie world. But also to quote another young woman who recently posted here: It’s the same for me - waiting my turn, not knowing whether I would get be lucky enough to get Joe or maybe Shannon as my next partner, sometimes joining by kissing him as he was humping Lora… was thrilling. There were three men but four women, so hard dicks were the limiting factor. Not while Shannon and Joe were with us, but I did detect some jealousy by David because of the way Lora and Joe connected and the attention they gave one another. (I’ve admitted to myself some time ago that David has come to love Lora more deeply than me. But it’s ok, because doesn’t love me any less than he did before he met her, and I’m in love with her too.) After Joe and Shan had departed on Monday, there was a lot of action in our family, but the kids were home so we had to take turns parenting them and breaking off for adult play.

I think what really surprised me was the participation of the others, I thought it would be more Petra, Shannon, and Joe. I also thought that one of the guys would try to reclaim Petra soon after Joe had Petra. Did Dave or Red reclaim Lora or Claire?

A lot happened over those three days, but in calm retrospect, a lot of it was just regular sex (hetero and Lesbian) among people. The interesting thing to me was the psychological aspects of it and how David, in conspiracy with the others in my family, put it all together. For me, not being aware of the plan and not being a part of the scheme beforehand feels odd. The interesting sex for me was what I described above, that while I was going down on Shannon, Joe went into me from behind. In my fantasy our first pairing was to be missionary love-making. Instead, it was impromptu doggy, just good happy sex, nothing more. It was frantic (on his part, as men can be), lasting only between five and ten minutes, but we both came spectacularly, his ejaculation was memorable. Plus, with my mouth on his wife’s cunt, I was mediating between two spouses in their sexual pleasure, something special. Also what I forgot to mention was what I described above a few days after when my family ganged up on me for sex, as Red first went into my pussy. I get very wet quickly (so much that I’ve soaked through at times), but this time things happened so fast and were so unusual that although I was wet inside, the entrance to my vagina was not yet lubed when Red started pushing in. It didn’t hurt, but there was considerable resistance at first, right at the entrance; it felt good as he pushed his way in. The other thing that I can’t get out of my head and the others in the family talk about are Shannon’s breasts. Those long slender mammaries that just hang down and when they are exposed they pull you in, whether you’re a girl or boy, to play with them. They look slender, until you see how large the nipples are, covering the entire ends. They are perfect in their own way, cylinders for which the word “teat” was invented. Shannon is most beautiful and feminine on all fours with her breasts swaying. And of course during our play all together on Sunday, my jealousy got stoked when Joe fucked Clair or Lora then when Red or David fucked Shannon. It was then quenched when I got to eat those girls out – it’s my reclaiming process. Finally, I keep thinking what the dynamics were as we all ended up together, the pairings being primarily with Red and Shannon, Joe and Lora. Although everyone had their turns at the beginning and before they left, David, Clair, and I were left as spectators to what was clearly the main attractions. If this gets anything going in the future, it will be Red and Lora moving it along.

couplers, Normally I leave this discussion to one on one face to face. There is a logic error, I believe, in your post. It is precisely the fact that they have the potential for all of those things that you seem to see a negatives, that make them important, that means they would be fully involved humans. We are a messy group us humans. Thus there is a a possible advantage in eliminating them before they become more than potential.