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Not a rant at all, an excellent post. But two comments from my perspective: The bond for us in our poly family is not marriage to one person, but our children. Each the product of the love between two of us in our family, and treated equally as our own by all. We are all (three women, two men) committed to each other and sexually/romantically involved, except for the guys to one another. Although the initial involvement of us women was with either Red or David, our shared involvement with them, particularly motherhood, has reinforced the love, devotion, and Lesbian desires among us women. We in our family have, on occasion, each played sexually outside the family. But as you said, I believe that we have created our own poly marriage through an army of accountants, lawyers, and insurance people.

RANT warning: It really amazes me that mature adults, especially LS mature adults seem to see sexual freedom as somehow opposed to monogamy. Monogamy literally means to be married to one. Mono(one) + Gameo ( I marry). The concept that this group , especially , sees marriage in gonadal terms gives me a headache. That fact that the partnership of marriage is far more than just genital contact gets lost. When I read posts here , as individuals, most of the poster have a handle on the reality. As soon as the discussion turns to general terms there seems to be a reversion to how things were perceived in high school. As individuals many of us see ourselves and express that we see ourselves as faithfully and passionately married to our partners. This partnership for us includes giving each other the gift of sexual variety. Am I truly missing something? There is only one adult for whom I would willingly give my life, the one who I have entrusted my life to , when there was a medical situation in which I would not be able to make my own decisions. That is the partner with whom my fate is married. Those I have had sex with have all been good people. Some of them have been more intimately involved on a deeper level. One of whom I loved in a way not possible without my wife's approval. With all of that , my reality is still very much monogamous. Perhaps my problem stems from my belief that there is a substantial difference between a sexual freedom lifestyle and its subset which is swinging, in that swinging involves couples. The couple dynamic is unique in the game. Of course there is overlap. One of our favorite playmates is a single male. In my mind though,we are swinging , he is just one very lucky single guy that my wife likes, who happens to play very well in an MFM scenario. The way things are sometime discussed marriage is some how less, or limiting. I do not believe that to be the case.

Lifestyle and relationships are changing…evolving. Although there are many who will live a monogamous life with a partner, one spouse for life, the monogamous living experiment is and has been a failure. At best it is a “monogamous by choice in all my relationships” mantra. The current percentage of infidelity in relationships, divorce rates and the number of “sexual experiences/partners” from 14-30 year old singles just does not meet the expected definition of monogamy. Im not complaining I applaud it. I reside in the camp of consenting adults should be able to mutually define their relationship for their benefit. If that is just two, three, four or more as long as they are all happy…….. over the past thirty years we have seen this grow in a positive way. I hope over the next few years this will be recognized within require legal acceptance. Until then a good lawyer can draw up documents/agreements that protect all equally in the arrangement. Financial, shared assets, children, health and welfare, emergency contacts etc. But I do see all this coming. https://www.romper.com/life/nonmonogamous-moms-polyamory-open-relationships-motherhood

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/12/magazine/sex-old-age.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare I am 73 my wife is 69. She just sent me this article.

We are on the east coast of Florida, so thanks for that update. We are long time nudists. Took us awhile to realize swingers were a subset of nudists. Makes sense, you are already half way there. No rassling with bra catches.

I had to Google Edun bc I thought for sure it should have been Eden 😀 but it's not I think all nudist resorts get a little naughty after dark, and some even get naughty in broad daylight. It's always worth checking out the nightlife at these places

Great article, and one that very much applies to our own situation. More often than not we have seen couples where the wife is the primary driver in their non-monogamous adventures, even though stereotypes firmly dictate otherwise. Honestly, I can't imagine it working very well when the opposite is true. We have seen, on this board and in life, newbie couples whose husbands are surprised and dismayed when their wife's sexual appetite surpasses their own. I always advise "Get used to it."

If we were local to you, we'd be happy to sit down and talk. Unfortunately, we're over 800 miles aware as the crow flies. Something to consider (and I agree with where people noted above); it's your wife's sex drive that's intense. So, would you entertain the thought of finding single males? I can tell you from direct experience that sharing your wife with another man in an MFM scenario is a very enjoyable experience (at least for me, but it is so for many other men as well). My wife has had two long term boyfriends over the years, and got great satisfaction from doing so. Based on what little we know so far, it sounds like this sort of scenario might be a good match for the two of you both. If you're willing to consider the single male approach, let us know. We can give you a lot of advice on how to make that a good or even great experience.

Hindsight is 20/20. But when you're that young and you get cheated on it can be hard for some people to even forgive, especially if you thought you were in love. If it were me, I probably would have tried to turn it into a positive like you suggested. But most are not wired that way.

I'm curious @WiscoWild, rather than break up with a girl who truly loved cock, why not suggest swinging or other types of open relationships? To me, a girl who truly loves cock and truly loves cum is a gift, and sometimes a gift is best when shared 😀

I eagerly swallow if a guy cums in my mouth, but still much prefer that he cums in my pussy. Two reasons. The feel of his ejaculation adds to my orgasmic pleasure. Second, the knowledge that even after I've totally cleaned up down there, a small living part of him (along with that of another man, sometimes two) is still swimming deep inside me and will be (albeit fruitlessly) for several days, searching for the prize. Except for times when I've been away from home for an extended time, that has continuously been the case, ever since I started having p-in-v sex. Cum to me isn't just a white blob, it is a living collection of a man's half of sex, which I am hosting inside me. I find that thrilling and satisfying.

Hi. I typed a reply, but it seems to have disappeared. 😂. It was very much a group effort. Not a threesome. We had discussed where we could cum early in the encounter. From start to finish, it was about 30ish minutes. Not super long, but super fun! it was the neighbors wife that gave me a BJ, while my wife and her husband danced and made out. The girls each came twice. Then it was the boys turn. I came in my wife, while the neighbor was giving her husband oral, and she was rubbing my balls. I came in my wife, while the neighbor stroked it out of her husband on my wife’s chest. there are ZERO regrets. We sat and talked and drank for 2 hours afterwards. This morning, my wife and I agreed that it was a lot of fun!!

I’ve mentioned in this forum several times that at a party a decade ago when I was in my mid-60s I played with a couple who were in their mid-80s (and had been swingers since the late 1940s, before the term existed). They were so wrinkled! It was a bit shocking as I began to engage with them. But as things progressed that feeling fell away; I was just into sharing pleasure with this lovely couple and they looked fine. (For me it’s the personality and the sex that counts; "looks" are decidedly peripheral.

The photographer, Marilyn Minter, published a coffee-table book with an extended set of photos from the same sessions. See https://www.amazon.com/Marilyn-Minter-Elder-Sex/dp/2365680712 It played to generally favorable reviews, see for example https://www.cnn.com/style/article/marilyn-minter-artist-elder-sex/index.html Passion has no expiration date; the (unsettling) question is whether it has a "best by" date.

I don't want to be harsh, but it sounds like you weren't, at least at that time, enough for her. It seems that she was ready for the lifestyle in college, while you were not. But it’s understandable, society and religion inculcate in us expectations of a relationship should be and how we, especially women, should act.

When I was in grad school I had a girlfriend who sometimes in the morning liked for me to ejaculate on her boobs and massage it in before she left for class. To this day I wonder if anyone sitting near her in the classroom could smell the semen on her chest.

This is pretty much the reason why we got into this lifestyle (although I can't say we're fully in it yet :) We often dirty talked about him licking cum off of me, or out of me, and he did it a few times, but as has been noted - when it's just his own, he loses the appetite very quickly. Our first experience with another couple, the other man came on my chest, and my husband and I had sex after, with it dripping all over, and when he finally licked it off, well, let's say the two of us were in heaven :) He's also been afraid of the label "bi" which is a shame. He's probably the opposite of the stereotype, so he has nothing to worry about. My feeling is whatever makes you feel good is fine with me.

Helen here and god yes there is no point being in the lifestyle if you cannot enjoy DP

I usually take the pussy but I can do either. Having the guy get a nut out before going in her ass in DP is probably a good idea.