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We agree. While contrary to conventional wisdom, our LS friends join family/friends events with sufficient regularity that LS friends ask after family and vice versa. We do prep our LS friends with one stock answer to the occasional query, "How do you know {Mr/Mrs Fundamental Law}?" Stock answer, "we met through friends of friends some time ago". That is as complicated as it gets.

We rent a room with two king beds in a hotel that has a separate entrance for each room from the parking area, like many Red Roof Inns. We usually meet with our swing friends at a nearby restaurant for lunch or dinner and all get to know each other. The invitees for each party usually consist of two other couples and three single guys. After about an hour at the restaurant we all go the hotel room. After we all are in the room, the gals get undressed and on the beds. The guys first job is to give all the gals at least one orgasm from oral. Then, the guys do whatever the gals want. Usually the gals like to fuck until the guys cannot get it up any more. That is about 4 or 5 times as most guys cannot fuck and cum more than twice in a session. After about three or four hours of fucking everyone is sated, and we all go home. We enjoy it and have a party about every two weeks. Between parties we just love to remember the best parts and fuck some more.

I 1000% agree, Sometimes it's fun to be there and watch and participate. Sometimes it's fun to not be there but see pictures/videos, or hear about the experience from my GF and/or the guy she was with about the experience. And sometimes it's fun to just let her go and play and not know exactly what happened but to let your mind wander about it. We incorporate all of these regularly into our play.

Sloppy seconds is a popular thread, but I would like to hear how women view sloppy seconds. Do you enjoy them and what is it that makes sloppy seconds different than the first man in?

Physically that ratio is about correct. I have used that argument when part of planning for group parties that wanted to exclude single guys. I am married , but the ratio is still good.I think some guys worry about the competition. Being realistic I know that a woman who is really in the mood can destroy 3 guys in a day. Another thing that I point out to the "married only" proponents is that we are all just one heartbeat away from being single, especially as we age.

In a Catholic 8th grade, we saw a film strip (who remembers those?) called "Take the High Road". All procreation focused. It told us what everything was and what it did but did not say where anything was. I spent the next few years looking for things.

For me being taken by a second man right after the first is mostly psychologically fulfilling and satisfying, that he wants me and is willing to take me that way. Usually, hubby goes second. The feel is nice too, all that squishing around, especially after the second load. I like to keep as much of it in me as possible.

HHgirl, it can be tricky to line everything up. We have young adults at home too, which can make it chaotic. We don't play at home for this reason. At least, not now. We have at times played at home. One time, my wife's boyfriend came over. He was known to them so it wasn't odd for him to be around. I took the kids out for ice cream. I thought I'd been gone long enough for them to get a reasonable sex session in. But, when we got home I realized they were still in our bedroom. I had to usher the kids to another part of the house. They were young enough at the time that nothing was suspected. My wife had a number of sessions at home with a different boyfriend later. In those cases, the kids were at school and it was during the day, so no worries about them walking in the door. Now, it can happen any time. We have an app on all family phones that display where everyone is. This is partly for safety, but also for ensuring no surprises Though, this is becoming less dependable now. So, we don't play at home and haven't for a while now. What we expected to happen as we got into the lifestyle way back was that my wife would need to go solo to the home of any boyfriends she developed. We always thought this would happen; if she found a guy she really enjoyed having sex with, better to keep him around. Given that, she'd likely be satisfying his sexual needs, so going to his place on a fairly frequent basis was likely going to be the case. And that's how it turned out with boyfriend #1. Boyfriend #2 was a bit far away for that to work out very much.

Hiding in plain sight is best. Short answer, house parties, others homes, hotels, club party, other swinger groups. Our closest friends and lovers were included with family and friend events we would make sure they knew it was vanilla/family/friends events. No problem. And that way we didn’t have to concoct any story or alibi. Just normal conversations.

It's also for pleasure, fun, exercise, etc. 😀

Before marriage we had fun with others as a couple. Linda had a girlfriend that joined us often alone and at times with a date. We stopped after marrying for a number of reasons.

Lol not soon we had a long discussion and a lot of roleplay sessions before we met this couple whom we softswaped first.

I respectfully disagree with you. In a truly vanilla marriage the biggest problem for the male in a situation like this is the lack of honesty. One of the first questions a husband tends to ask of their unfaithful wife is, "Do you still love me?" And in the situation we're talking about here, another question is likely to be a shocked, "You're a fucking lesbian?!?!? No, the husband, I think, is going to be initially shocked and concerned that his marriage is in jeopardy. I wouldn't matter in most cases, I think, the sex of the lover, but the fact that there is a lover. Now after the husband cools down, and they have the inevitable talks, the husband might feel that a girl/girl experience might be less harmful. After all, he thinks, at least she didn't have another dick in her! And then, the discussions may morph into an acceptance of the dynamic, and might actually lead the couple into swinging or hotwifing. But it takes time for the hurt party to go from one perspective (the one society has drummed into his/her head) to the perspective that Ethical Non-Mongamy might not be the end of the world.

As a young girl raised Catholic, I was taught that no sin was unforgivable. That is one small part that I retain in my beliefs. It should be taken as an opportunity for redemption and "Without forgiveness, there is no redemption." If it happened to me, I would demand a full confession of the details, all two weeks worth, and turn it into an opportunity to reintroduce ourselves.

That is very generous, loving and mature of you. Just tell your wife that. She's enjoying herself and you're ok with the way it's going, so no need to fret. Move at your own pace. I like fucking other women, but knowing & watching my wife enjoy herself is great too. Nothing wrong with it. You should. In all our group everyone sees their wives fucking other guys and enjoying it. There isn't one bit of degradation or humiliation in any of it. I would say it is all a celebration of life. And with agreement between spouses it may be that they both swing differently. There is no need for spouses to be mirror images of each other in swinging or to expect reciprocity. The best thing for us in starting in the lifestyle was for my wife to start (with ex-boyfriends) while I remained monogamous.

First off I need to say that we have played with legitimate single men before and I am not a single male basher. However, as the male half of a couple I do need to say that it is attitudes like this that is that one of the reasons single males are looked down on and do have a hard time in the lifestyle. If you are going to bitch about paying $70 and not getting any sex to show for it, stay the hell out of swingers clubs and take your money to a whore house!! It sounds to me like that is what you are looking for in the first place, whores, only you are too cheap to shell out the going price for some crack addicted street walker. You said you have gotten laid cheaper taking some gal out for dinner; fine, what is wrong with that? Maybe if you start taking women out on some legitimate dates and start to treat them with some respect maybe you can get your own chick and don't have to try and score with other people's wives. Swinging wives and single fems in the lifestyle are not whores or sluts or women with out of control sex drives and their partners are not limp-dicked spineless pussies that need your hard dick to satisfy their women. If you think your 70 bucks entitles you to fuck somebody else's wife and mother of their children just because you are feeling a bit horny that night and you don't have it together enough to get your own chick, you are in the wrong place. The only reason loners with boners are let into swing clubs at all is there are a very few single guys who actually get it and who realize that it is a privilege for them to be there and who treat both halves of couples with dignity and respect. They realize that the vast majority of couples and single fems are not going to be interested in them and they leave them alone. A legitimate single male realizes it is a privilege to be invited into the bedroom of a couple and to be allowed to help them fulfill THEIR fantasy and to be a part of THEIR sexual experience and not to just get their own rocks off on some slut that happens to be there after they shelled out 70 bucks. A legitimate single male would have no problem shelling out a higher entrance fee if he realized it would keep some of the trolls that give all single males a bad name out. A legitimate single male would wear a glowing armband with pride to show the couples that might be interested in him that he was available to be part of their experience. A legitimate single male would appreciate the club that allowed couples and single fems to also wear an arm band that would indicate to him where he may possibly be welcomed and not waste his time on those that aren't interested and run the risk of pissing someone off that was not open to his approach. A legitimate single male would know walking into the place that way more often than not he will not actually hook up that night but would still appreciate that he was allowed in in the first place and got the chance to meet some new people. A legitimate single male would realize that if he is going to play at all it is going to be strictly on the terms of the couple or single fem and will not be about him and he is ok with that. If you want to get a cheap piece of ass and do it completely on your terms your options are to find some old has-been lonely drunk gal in the lounge at the Holiday Inn that is desperate for any form of male attention or find some street walker that is jonesing for her next crack hit and will be glad to take your $70.

It seems to me that the best bet would be meeting in clubs. Here, they are meeting you, not just reading your stats (including age which is just a number), on a profile. People will get to know you for you in a face-to-face setting, whether it's a meet-n-greet, off-premise event, or on-premise club. When age is a concern, it seems to me that the odds for making good matches would be much better this way.

We didn't start swinging until I retired at 55. My wife retired at 53. Plenty of free time, secure income, health insurance, home paid for, the kids gone and on their own, prescription for Viagra, still enjoy sex, good health, and really have an understanding of the over 55 crowd. The mirror tells a different story but mentally and sexually we still have the desire of a 25 year old. Hope the Over 55 crowd doesn't give up. Our orgasms are just a strong as ever. Our enjoyment of sex is just as great. This forum is an interesting tool and gives like minded people an excellent way to help each other. Please keep discussing the topics related to the Over 55 crowd.

Hey! There are quite a few of us right here over 55! Hold on, let me check my ID..., yep, me too! But, I don't really think about age when I see a woman that I admire. I'd guess I see as many over 60 that I like as under 50. I've always enjoyed older women..., there just aren't as many now! LOL!

This is the kind of stuff that always makes my stomach churn as it sounds relatable to my GF's activities and the dark things that can happen in the lifestyle. So sorry to hear about your horrible experience.