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To be clear, when birth control methods are compared the standard of comparison is what percentage of women in a large cohort practicing that method will become pregnant over the course of a year. So, in the context of a lifestyle ONS both look pretty effective. Over the years, and to my chagrin, two of my occasional FWB partners became pregnant. (I was a slow learner…🙄) In neither instance was sex initially planned for our time together. The regular partner of the first was vasectomy-safe and she hadn’t been practicing BC. We were together for several days and toward the end she said she thought she might be getting close to the beginning of a risky point in her cycle, so we stopped having penetrative sex. The second did not then have a regular partner, but was in the middle of her period. "I’m bleeding like a stuck pig," she said to me when I inquired about her BC status. In both cases the women had abortions. In one case there were no serious repercussions for our friendship; in the other we remained friends, but there was significant damage. I’m sorry these women and I were not more prudent partners. In terms of the lifestyle, I don’t believe I ever slipped my unwrapped cock into the pussy of a woman who might even possibly have been capable of conceiving. From a moral perspective I would not wish to be part of creating a human life that I was not prepared to appropriately support through its childhood and into adulthood. From a practical perspective, though the risk might be remote, you could end up being financially partially responsible for a child created with a partner with whom you were barely acquainted.

I would just like to start by saying that I would rather give oral sex as recieve. I don't care if she has been freshly fucked or on her period, I will still go down on her. Women's smell and taste being unique is what makes cunnilingus so good. Having retired from a factory of 3000 employees, I heard a lot of sexual do's and don'ts of those employees. I guess what surprises me most was the number of men that don't do cunnilingus. As far as women that I have been with, I can only remember 2 that would not let me go south on them. I do believe as women get older, they get better at oral sex. They fondle the balls more and explore the anus while giving oral. But for me, you can't beat 69 when it comes to oral sex, 2 people really into it, nothing better!

Do not depend on thinking your not fertile week is foolproof. Every body is different and cycles change even if you are regular. If you aren’t on some method, pill, mechanical, or shot, be prepared for surprises. Can you live with what may happen or is your partner?

Someone asked me why I enjoy doing a sex act which has had me thinking the reason I do at the strangest times. I even woke up in the middle of the night thinking of the answer and thinking of the first time I did this act. I used the search button to see how others answered, I’ve searched the internet how others feel about the subject and the reason some women give for doing it. Prior to being asked I hardly ever thought about my limited premarital sex acts or why I was able to enjoy this one thing with several boyfriends. BLOWJOBS. The question was why do I enjoy giving my husband blowjobs. Some answer there is joy in giving someone you love pleasure, something that is true for me and should be enough of a reason. The more I think the more I know there are other reasons, I didn’t always love the person I gave a blow job and didn’t love the men I just met. I feel I am not the only one who gave a blowjob before having lost her virginity. Others were more advanced and guys expected things. I went from through the clothes touching to using my hand. The first time making my boyfriend ejaculate was very exciting to me, but messy. As others mentioned that sexual excitement makes us “wet” too. My next step was a blowjob, a penis a barely saw in the dark, only felt already erect. What made me kiss and then take him in my mouth was my wanting to as much as he wanted it. Over 25 years later I visualize the taste and scent. His moans and movements made me excited. I don’t know why I continued knowing what was next, I enjoyed it. I only had a few boyfriends before Timmy yet each one was happy that I enjoyed the feel, the texture, the growth from soft to hard or was it the power, or the safety of staying a virgin. Do men feel the same way when doing oral to women or do you make it just the first part of sex. Will you be satisfied if she orgasms and doesn’t reciprocate? Has everything changed with swinging or do others enjoy what they always enjoyed. I saw the poll Do you swallow, do those that don’t is it because of taste or something else? I don’t have answers to feelings or the why I enjoy, I just have an increased imagination and thoughts now.

Many of the comments in this thread surprise me. I have been rejected by groups, but only because of my age when I was not yet 21. I have never been rejected by a group because I was single and might upset the dynamic. Having said that, I have encountered a number of hostile married women who thought I, as a single woman, was there to steal their man. I had to explain many times that I'm in the lifestyle to avoid being in a relationship and still getting my considerable sexual needs met. Most of them became less hostile as they got to know me, but a few didn't. Of course, I'm in the lifestyle for a lot of other reasons, but that is one of the more important reasons.

It wouldn't be 3, it would be 5.

For sure, and even though ATM I'm the lone holdout, no one is pressuring me about it, and we're all happy to go on as we were, at least i'm pretty certain of that. I've met the woman for drinks, nothing remotely sexual, not even the conversation and she's enjoyable to be around (a definite requirement for me). She also sent us PG/R rated photos, and, uh, wow! So there's that. I'm just completely on the fence. Love what we have now, but she could add a fun, sexy dimension.

Such a good point. I think there's an allure, almost a mysticism to a single female that makes it more exciting. The reality is of course very different.

@Numex when i was dating my wife she told me she worked part time as an artists model, posing nude often in front of classroms of people. It really intrigued me that she had the confidence to do that, and i surmised she may be an adventurous enough spirit to explore the Lifestyle with... and i was right.

Daniela is on reliable birth control, but if she were to get pregnant, I would be open to it being my child. But the ultimate decision would be hers.

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There are two versions of my answer. This is the long answer: We have been together for over 40 tears, and have three children. We used the body temperature and physical signs of ovulation as Natural Family planning, as it was taught in the 80's. It does require vigilance, trust, and cooperation in the couple. It does keep in the conscious mind ones continuous fertility. As a matter of philosophy and religious belief, remaining open to children suited us. We never used any other means of birth control. We have three children, all conceived on the schedule that we chose. One of them we can link her conception to a particular evening with very much certainty. This suited us as a couple very well and performed as we wished. That being said, you ask about a sexual relationship with a woman who is married to someone else. The common interest and the trust in sharing that interest that is part of the marriage relationship, is not present for you. She potentially has loyalties and agendas of her own or that belong to her own couple. We knew, that whatever happened, we were in this for the long haul. You two are a LS pairing. There is more than just your evening enjoyment involved. There is the possibility of another life, and how you choose to deal with that life if it occurs, or if it will even be a common choice. How ever that plays out, each of you each will be at the start point and will have it as part of your life stories . Being in the LS it is very tempting to minimize some of the choices that we make. There is the tendency to minimize, sometimes unwisely, these concerns. That was the long answer: The short answer is , no. Use condoms at all times.

My wife and I were in swinging for over 3 years. (She passed away) We always had oral sex, after intercourse, and we both loved it. She would have me jackoff, and cum in her hand, then I would lick my cum up and kiss her. When she would suck me off, she would hold my cum in her mouth, and I would kiss her, as she mounted my cock. I loved watching her have sex with other men, (at parties) and suck the cum from her pussy. She loved watching me with other women, and would suck my cock and balls after. I always wanted to watch her suck a guy off, hold all his cum in her mouth, then kiss her. Everything we did, was so beautiful and done with and out of love ! So if you love each other -- and your wife loves cum --- why should a guy not love cum !!??

Use a condom at all times. Also provides limited STD protection. Also slows your ejaculation, hopefully in a good way.

The IUD is non-hormonal and effective, just a pain (literally) having it inserted, but nothing to remember or fuss with afterwards. Depends on what those percentages mean. Theoretical effectiveness or real world? Per engagement or per year? The biggest question for me is whether the three of you have discussed and are in agreement what she would do if she does get pregnant. The correct answer is the one you all agree on.

Personally, I would combine the app with the pullout method, but that’s just my opinion. 95% is too risky for me. That means there’s a 5% chance she gets pregnant…

Introduction Marriage is a social, legal and often religious event marking entry into a voluntary mutual relationship. Amidst the celebrations with newly connected families and friends, the newlywed couple makes reciprocal commitments that are often enshrined as vows during the wedding ceremony. Prominent among those vows is a promise to "forsake all others" forever, or at least until "death do [us] part". That vow is widely understood to be a vow of perpetual monogamy. History suggests that monogamy is an especially difficult vow to keep. While researchers offer widely varied estimates of the rate of “cheating” (technically, “non-consensual non-monogamy”), most agree that about half of all married individuals cheat at some point during a marriage. Surely more contemplate non-monogamy than actually pursue it. Therefore it is likely that you -- or your spouse -- have at one time or another had thoughts about sex with others. These thoughts create tension: your vows matter to you, as does your spouse’s happiness. The purposes of this essay This tension, namely the desire for sexual variety in conflict with the vow of monogamy within marriage, motivated this essay. This essay discusses an alternative to non-consensual non-monogamy, namely consensual non-monogamy. Let us agree that the phrase, “consensual non-monogamy”, is awkward. Such consensual non-monogamy is also called “swinging”. Couples who swing are said to be “in the Lifestyle”. (For the balance of this essay, references to the “Lifestyle” [capitalized] are references to swinging. The more conventional use of the word to refer to any particular way of living [e.g. casual lifestyle, executive lifestyle, bohemian lifestyle] is avoided in this essay. ) Perhaps you became aware of swinging -- "The Lifestyle" -- and realized that there were others who not only had those thoughts but in fact acted on those thoughts. You'll recognize several themes including the importance of communication. You might well be asking yourself, "What do I say?" Or "How do I start this line of communication?" Conversations about sex are predictably difficult, and conversations about sex with your spouse that seek to consider inclusion of others into your sex life can be even more challenging. The purposes of this essay are to overcome some of the difficulties raising the topic for discussion. · The first purpose is to understand why and how the idea of swinging makes its way into a committed marriage. The first part of the essay addresses the drive for sex and for sexual variety. · The second purpose is to explore the state of committed marriage. Commitment involves actions, not intentions. · The third purpose is to offer a framework that encourages communication even about sensitive topics within that committed marriage. The commitments and the covenant The use of emphasis--"committed” in the phrase “committed marriage”--is deliberate and forms a centerpiece of this essay. There are marriage contracts (and prenuptial contracts and divorce decrees) that form a legal basis for a relationship. What is more important for this discussion is the marriage covenant—namely the commitments made to each other. The marriage covenant is not quite the same as the vows you spoke. Rather the marriage covenant is what each of you committed to each other --and why you committed to each other -- when you decided to take life's journey together. At that moment, you reciprocally acknowledged something valuable and wonderful in growing together. For reasons that will become apparent as this essay unfolds, recalling that point in your lives and reflecting on what you have done for each other and how you have grown together since that point is a key step in deciding whether swinging is right for you. Put simply, growing together--not living in parallel but actually growing together--is foundational to the Lifestyle. Commitment, monogamy, and the drive for variety It's reasonable to ask why anyone in a committed marriage would even think about other sex partners. "Isn't s/he enough?" "Didn't you do enough 'hooking up' or 'sowing your wild oats'?" "How can you even think about being 'unfaithful'?" The answer seems to be that most humans are hard-wired to seek variety in sex. While a few humans are truly disinterested in sex at any time (around 1% of Americans seem to be asexual), and while the variety-seeking behavior can be suppressed, the quest for sexual variety seems to be part of adult life.(Barash and Lipton 2001; Ryan and Jethá 2010)There are socially acceptable strategies: fantasy and role play. There are marginally acceptable strategies: sex in a semi-public place, pornography, strip clubs, sex for money (legal in some states). There are unacceptable strategies involving force and deception. There are culturally dependent strategies: the French have some reputation for tolerating husbands having mistresses and wives having lovers.(Yalom 2012)Regardless of your (or our) views on whether the activities are appropriate or acceptable, the drive for variety is real and is eventually either met or suppressed. There are two or three reflex reactions to the prior paragraph, namely: "I can and will suppress that drive for variety, "; "I have no interest in variety--my spouse is the only person I ever want/need/desire,” and "That's counter to all of my religious beliefs, cultural learnings, marital commitments and personal values." To those who choose suppression for the sake of superiority, good luck. Active denial of hard-wired drives is hard. While some people succeed at self-starvation (hunger strikes), most have difficulty with ordinary dieting. The situation with sex is not all that different. To those who claim no interest in novelty and sexual variety, bear in mind no distinction has been made among imagination, practices, physical status and available partners. Claiming that "my spouse is all I want" would mean that even if disability should make sex a physical impossibility, you would not be interested in sex with another. Serial monogamy--leaving one partner for another as famously exemplified by Elizabeth Taylor and her seven husbands--is just an expensive alternative response to the quest for variety.(Vaughan 2003) To those who object on moral grounds--religion, culture, marital vows, and personal values--your self-respect has our respect. You are trying to conduct your life according to principles. The drive for sex and for sexual variety is still going to be there. If history teaches us anything, it is that sex drives prevail. Politicians claim to embody "good family values". Celebrities present themselves as role models. Catholic priests voluntarily accept celibacy. All are subject to -- and nearly all succumb to --the drive for sex and for sexual variety. Entire industries float upon this biological drive and the failure to acknowledge and control it. So let's be clear. The quest for sexual variety does not magically end at the wedding. At some point, it is more likely than not that every couple will confront the dilemma in the context of marriage. Cheating is not an option. Committed couples struggle to reconcile marital commitments with underlying biology. Swinging--giving each other permission to yield to the drives and pursue the quest for variety while sustaining your marriage--has presented itself as an option. Swinging and the Nobel Prize It is unsurprising that the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1950 was awarded to one of the great minds of the 20th century, the mathematician Bertrand Russell. The citation for that prize reads "in recognition of his varied and significant writings in which he champions humanitarian ideals and freedom of thought." It may be surprising to learn that the prize was awarded for his writings on open marriage and the challenges that followed. In 1929, Bertrand Russell published "Marriage and Morals," which directly challenged the Victorian norms of sex and sexuality. Quotes appear below. Before reading them, know that Russell was attacked to the point that he had to resign a university professorship. (Then, as now, political correctness defeated new thought.) Yet many thought leaders rushed to his support including John Dewey (widely considered the father of modern American education) and even Albert Einstein who wrote an open letter on Russell's behalf saying “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds ... ” Here are four representative quotes from the second edition of "Marriage and Morals" (Russell 1938)that illuminate Russell's mindset and writing: The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot coexist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. The good life cannot be led without self-control, but it is better to control a restrictive and hostile emotion such as jealousy rather than a generous and expansive emotion such as love. Sex cannot dispense with an ethic, any more than business or sport or scientific research or any other branch of human activity. But it can dispense with an ethic based solely on ancient prohibitions propounded by uneducated people in a society wholly unlike our own. The general principle upon which the newer morality differs from the traditional morality of puritanism is this: we believe that instinct should be trained rather than thwarted. Here is a fifth and perhaps most important quotation from Russell's controversial Nobel Prize winning work: The essence of a good marriage is respect for each other's personality combined with that deep intimacy, physical, mental and spiritual, which makes a serious love between man and woman the most fructifying of all human experiences....Such love, like everything else that is great and precious, demands its own morality, and frequently entails a sacrifice of the less to the greater; but such sacrifice must be voluntary, for where it is not, it will destroy the very basis of the love for the sake of which it is made. Thus one of the great minds of the 20th century recognized and tried to reconcile being sexually attracted to someone other than their great love. Swinging--The Lifestyle--is simply one way of resolving the tension between biology of sex and commitments of marriage. Yet entering the Lifestyle has the potential to greatly affect marriage, for good and for bad. Swinging in the context of commitment On the surface, swinging sounds like the best of all worlds, "having your cake and eating it too". On the surface, swinging also sounds like the worst of all choices, putting marriage at risk for a little physical pleasure. Sorting through these diametrically opposing perspectives requires a much deeper exploration of what it means to be in -- a committed marriage. Here, the voice of the essay switches from third person to second person. The reason for the switch is to prompt introspection not about marriage generally but rather about your marriage. You are surely tired of the repeated use of the word "committed". You're thinking that every marriage represents a commitment--and you are correct. What we are after here is an exploration of how (both of) you see and embrace that mutual commitment. Your wedding is the obvious place to start. It was a wonderful, memorable day. Family and friends were there to celebrate; there was a party, maybe even a honeymoon trip. Yet that day was the outcome of a decision to journey forward together. You decided not just to marry but also to spend the rest of your lives together in partnership. Whether you knew it at the time, by this time you've come to understand that maintaining, sustaining and growing the partnership isn't easy. You've discovered what all of us long-marrieds learned: marriage involves a series of adaptations and compromises. How and where you live. How to raise the kids. How to manage money. How to juggle work, friends, responsibilities. Along the way, you've had some disagreements. Shouting matches. Hurt feelings. Maybe an authentic fight or two. You've found things in your spouse that irritate you. Here's the question: has any of that really threatened your partnership? Can you see yourselves apart? Can the rest of the world see the two of you apart? Or do you ultimately see your disagreements and differences as 'small stuff'? This is really important, because--as you will read in many threads--swinging is likely to expose and stress 'fault lines' in every relationship. Put differently, if both of you are not utterly committed to spending your lives together no matter what challenges come your way, swinging has greater potential for harm than good. Once and again, that does not mean your marriage is 'perfect', that either of you is 'perfect', or that you are immune to the ordinary negative emotions of anger, jealousy, and so on. That marriage exists nowhere (with the possible exception of 1950's American TV shows.) It does mean, however, that the partnership not only has value but also that it is of such value to both of you that you are not going to walk away from it. Marriage and Communication Just because you're in that kind of partnership does not mean that you communicate effectively. We know--and we suspect you know--committed couples that seem unable to discuss (much less resolve) disagreements. They "win" (or "lose") arguments. Moreover, they keep score. When threatened, they retreat to their corners. They "get past", "get over", "get through" in order to "get together". Perhaps they already disagree about sex. Their inability to communicate their feelings, their wants, their needs and their desires presents an obvious obstacle when one or the other first imagines coming to agreement about swinging. Suffice it to say that effective, honest communication is a precondition to exploring the Lifestyle. Precondition means that such communication is necessary but not by itself sufficient. We observe two communication patterns between spouses in the Lifestyle. While the same is surely true about some vanilla spouses, what follows are -- at least in our experience -- consistent characteristics among the Lifestyle couples we have come to know. First, they frequently are 'messaging' the other about how special/wonderful/important they are. Things they say, things they do, things they give, time they spend. It's not just doing the dishes unbidden, or bringing flowers home for no special reason, or the "I'm thinking of you" text in the middle of the day. It's all of those things put together. They look at each other, touch each other, and listen to each other. The communication pipes are open and flowing, they are engaged. Second, even when they are apart, they are emotionally connected. They speak about the other, and always with some note of affection or support whether their spouse is 6 feet or 6000 miles distant. Their spouse is never far from their thoughts. Both seem to know, feel and project this emotional bond. This does not mean that either is free of insecurities. No one, and certainly no couple, is free of insecurities. They are no less affected by aging, appearance, marketing, kids, finances, etc than the rest of us. Yet by freely and frequently sharing both their fantasies and their fears, they become stronger as partners. There is a third feature that seems to be common among happy Lifestyle couples. It is perhaps the hardest to put into words but on some level seems to be the most important. Each partner seems to be sensitive to--and responsive to--how their partner is feeling at the moment and in the moment. They have trained themselves--and each other--to reflexively pick up on and to respond to the other's needs and wants in both words and actions to the point that they often anticipate what will make their partner happy even before that partner perceives the want or need. Again, this feature is hardly unique to Lifestyle couples. It is nevertheless so frequently characteristic of happy Lifestyle couples that its absence would be immediately noticed. Compersion as an attribute of marriage These three features together enable something that Lifestyle people call "compersion". The word is a neologism--a 'made-up' word. You will not find the word in a conventional dictionary, yet there are many descriptions and definitions on the Internet. For our purposes, the most useful definition is finding joy in others' happiness. In the Lifestyle, it refers to finding joy in your partner's sexual pleasure and satisfaction, even if someone else is instrumental in providing that pleasure to and for your partner. However, it's worth stepping back from that particular situation and taking a broader look at different perspectives on happiness. At one end of a spectrum is schadenfreude. Borrowed from the German, schadenfreude refers to finding pleasure in the misfortunes of others. It can be a guilty pleasure, traded on by various tabloid and celebrity magazines when they breathlessly report who is being served with divorce papers, who has gained weight, whose plastic surgery went awry and so on. It can fuel laughter, as in much of slapstick comedy and “funny home videos” TV shows. It is pleasure purely at someone else's expense. Schadenfreude is part of the human experience. In the middle of the happiness spectrum is the "winner-loser" situation. In sport, someone wins, the other loses. In the stock market, someone wins, someone else loses. There is a sort of partitioning from a neutral situation into happiness for one, anti-happiness for the rest. One can imagine a 'fixed amount of happiness' in the world that is distributed, redistributed, yet is unchanging. It is a zero-sum game. It may be an unbalanced zero-sum game, for example only one person gets the job, the other applicants are unhappy. But in sport there is typically balance, a winner and a loser. Yet sport also invites unbalance, such as in tournaments where there is only one final winner. At the opposite end of the spectrum is compersion. Seeing a child laugh makes us feel happy. (Marketers and politicians understand this. It is also why you can't resist those cute cat videos on Facebook: they make you feel good.) These examples suggest that compersion is also part of the common human experience. Indeed, altruists organize their lives around the experience of giving to others and making them happy. Compersion is already part of your marriage: the things you do to make your spouse happy--flowers, the surprise vacation, the romantic dinner that you planned--you are happy because your spouse is happy. When your spouse gets a promotion, a raise, a gift from someone else--the happiness you experience because your spouse is being made happy--that's compersion. The Sum of All Fears Sex and sexual pleasure have a different calculus. Within monogamous marriage, it is acceptable for you—and only you--to bring your spouse sexual pleasure. Even when s/he (she or he) masturbates, it's 'without you'. Knowing that s/he's fantasizing about someone other than you and knowing that it's heightening the pleasure is disquieting. (Such “adultery of the heart” is still adultery according to The Bible, see Matthew 5:27-28. President Jimmy Carter famously confessed to same and lost a bid for reelection.) Imagining sex with someone other than you, having a great experience fuels anger, rage and shame. Unpack those emotions. S/he's having fun--with someone else!--and you're not. You are envious of what s/he can do for your partner. You become jealous of their shared pleasure. Perhaps you're secretly hoping that it will end catastrophically for them (the schadenfreude response). You feel vulnerable. Your marriage feels vulnerable. Your partner's fantasy has become reality. Unfortunately, it is bringing to the surface your worst nightmares. Let's get those fears out into the open. You can see the scene in your mind's eye. S/he's experiencing things that s/he hasn't experienced with you recently, if ever. Or maybe s/he's seeing you experience things that you haven't felt for a while, if ever. You...or s/he...are wondering if you are 'good enough' for the other. Maybe you feel left out. Maybe your partner does. Suddenly you feel vulnerable. Alone. Isolated. Abandoned. You were "the one" when you married. No more "playing the field". Those wedding vows about love, cherish, honor? They included that clause about 'forsaking all others'. Fidelity, remaining 'faithful', was crystallized by mutual sexual exclusivity. And now you (or your spouse) is talking about 'throwing it all away'. Throwing you away. Surely it's time for the marriage counselor. Perhaps a call to a divorce attorney. Maybe you two should write to one of those "Can this marriage be saved?" advice columns. If that's not bad enough, your broke at least two of the Ten Commandments, committed a mortal sin, will have to wear a scarlet letter and are surely damned to spend eternity in the fires of hell. In fact, just for even thinking about sex with anyone but your spouse and only then for purposes of procreation, you are surely at risk for spontaneous combustion. Really? What fuels this sort of spiraling illogic? A sidebar on envy and jealousy The term jealousy (and labels such as "green-eyed monster") is widely used in the Lifestyle without definition. Jealousy is not quite the same as envy. Both are complex emotions and have somewhat different origins. Both lie at the root of many fears. In fact, both crop up in the Lifestyle and it's worth recognizing the underlying drivers. Jealousy is often tied into fear of loss (of partner to another), sense of betrayal, uncertainty and even loneliness. Envy is often tied into fear of inadequacy/inferiority and simultaneous resentment of some other person even while trying to assume some of their characteristics. The opposite of jealousy is compersion, i.e. finding joy when your partner finds pleasure with whomever. Shifting the balance from jealousy to compersion requires a firm and maybe unshakeable belief in the durability of the partnership--knowing that s/he is the object of true and unshakeable love. That's a key conversation to have early and often in the Lifestyle--what is unshakeable and how perceived risks are going to be managed. Actions need to reinforce that conversation. The opposite of envy is contentedness. In the Lifestyle it is a blend of self-confidence and self-acceptance. In any collection of persons, there will always be someone else who is (choose one or more): taller, slimmer, firmer, flatter, bigger breasts, perkier breasts, tighter pussy, cums faster, cums slower, longer cock, thicker cock, more stamina, more responsiveness, deeper eyes, better kisser,... We are also attracted to different-from-what-we-already-have. That self-confidence and self-acceptance comes from within but within a partnership/marriage benefits from strong, regular, heartfelt reinforcement. Each of us has imperfections. We are often our own harshest critics. That can easily get magnified in an asymmetric swinging situation, especially where one partner has found a playmate and the other is not finding the chemistry/sparks. The twin fears—of loss and of inadequacy—can fuel each other and typically lead to intense shame (directed inward) and/or rage (directed outward). These are manifest as “drama”, something that no one in the Lifestyle enjoys personally or enjoys seeing. There are strategies for couples to deal with these complex emotions. First, there has to be a willingness to be vulnerable--to be able to say "I am afraid". Being able to say "I am afraid of loss/abandonment or I am afraid of being inadequate" are essential first steps to dealing with jealousy and envy, respectively. Acknowledging vulnerability is empowering for the individual and for the relationship. Dropping the shields isn’t easy. Superiority and perfectionism have become ingrained behaviors in matters of sex (“Was I better than ___?”) Foreboding joy –imagining those horrible outcomes because your partner is experiencing joy—opposes compersion. Second, there has to be a willingness to accept imperfections and even celebrate them. Those can be acknowledged and practiced outside of the Lifestyle. We would argue that they are foundational to a strong relationship. As for imperfections, we all have them. We all acquire more. Some are physical, some are emotional, and some are spiritual. Some are repairable, some are worth addressing. Those that are both are worth working on. Those that irreparable or insignificant must be accepted, and it's up to each of us how graceful we want to be about it. Let's recap the need for open communication, acknowledgement of vulnerability and embracing imperfection as foundational to the lifestyle. Eros and healthy relationships Wanting variety in sex is part of normal healthy erotic life. You are no different. Having variety in sex is also part of normal healthy erotic life. Playing the field before you got married. Fantasy about other partners. Role play. Photos, movies, books. Again, normal and healthy. When you married, you fantasized about a “perfect” wedding, a romantic honeymoon and a fulfilling life together. You shared an intention; you made a commitment--a deep and abiding commitment-- when you chose to become a partner in a relationship-for-life. As part of that commitment, you established monogamy-for-life as a boundary on your (plural) sexual behaviors. Commit that triad to memory: fantasy, intention, boundary. It will prove useful. It is years later. You are still utterly devoted to and committed to your spouse. Your spouse's happiness is a priority--and likely THE priority--in your life. You cannot fathom cheating on him/her. But the truth is that the exciting sex that came from romance has become routine. What was extraordinary and exciting has settled into routine. It is unsurprising that the drive for sexual variety has resurfaced. The fantasies are part of life. Figuring out how to manage them is also part of life. Learning about them is part of your good faith effort to resolve the tensions among fidelity and variety within your relationship in a way that does not threaten the relationship. In fact, you're working to find a way to resolve the tension in a way that affirms your love, honors your partner, and is honest and utterly truthful. We'll get to some specifics in the next section. For now, consider the following. Swingers have an interesting jargon. They refer to their other couples in the lifestyle as playmates. Not lovers, not girl/boyfriends, not even sex objects. They are playmates at play, enjoying temporary roles and their imaginations. Yes, this sort of adult play is the realization of adult fantasy. But it is still fantasy, analogous to when you were children imaging yourselves as Prince and Princess, Tarzan and Jane, Doctor and Nurse, etc. Indeed, swingers not infrequently have theme parties dressing up as Doctor and Nurse, Tarzan and Jane, Principal and School Girl, Swing time is adult play time. Swingers do not view the drive for erotic variety as a threat to their relationship. They view it as a way to deepen their relationship. Erotic Play One of the things about being playful is that it makes you feel good and it is likely to make your playmate feel good. For swing couples--this is where compersion comes into the picture-- seeing their partner recharged through play makes them feel good as well. Their partner seems more desirable --and they happen to be married to them! They feel more vibrant. They have given each other permission to be a little naughty with others, and this flows back as encouragement to be naughty with each other. "Sexy" comes back into conversation, into grooming, into fashion, into ordinary life. You want your partner to look and feel great. Your partner wants you to look and feel great. Not just for others. For each other. A few realities There is something irreversible about starting a conversation about non-monogamy. You can’t pretend that it didn’t happen. That makes the first step a difficult one. While nothing can be undone, there is no reason that starting a conversation should be a “nuclear event”. (If difficult conversations around other topics routinely precipitate nuclear events in a marriage, communication strategies and styles have a higher priority than swinging. As mentioned earlier, honest communication is a precondition to the initial conversation. ) Thoughts and feelings have to be discussable without creating havoc. A conversation should not destroy the relationship you have created over years. There are many other issues. For example, swinging involves dating, and there is a reason that few of us look fondly back on our dating years. Put simply, it's not all orgasms and roses. There are unhappy experiences in swinging, as there are in all life activities. Working through lack-luster play, uneven experiences, mistakes, disappointments and insecurities is part of swinging. Typically it results in a closer relationship with your spouse. Getting to know the Lifestyle, and others in the Lifestyle You also have a new group of acquaintances who are similarly comfortable about their partnership. They seem to have especially strong commitments to each other, are more attentive to each other than you see on average in your co-workers, your neighbors, your families. They are fun to be around. You are still committed to your partner. There's been no deception. You find yourself looking forward to dating each other as well as dating other couples. Your senses--and your emotional sensitivity --are heightened. You are more honest in expressing what makes you feel good--and what makes you feel bad. You find you can speak directly to issues that you used to avoid. What makes this all work? It gets back to communication. It gets back to a specific type of communication. There are three elements that are usefully discussed among you and your spouse before embarking in the Lifestyle generally, and perhaps before meeting new couples specifically. The three elements are: 1. What are our fantasies? We are doing this for fun and with each other. We are going to blur the line between fantasy and reality. What does that look like? It can be as simple as meeting a couple for the first time over drinks and dinner, knowing that they like to play. It can be as complex as imagining four (or more!) intertwined bodies. 2. What are our intentions? What is the reality of what we are going to do together? Is this “a little hobby”? How much exploration do we plan? 3. What are our boundaries? Are we clear on what we will do together and what we expect of each other? What does approaching a limit look like, and what will we do if-and-when either of us gets there? The answers to those three questions often evolve as people explore and experience the Lifestyle. Putting a toe in the water is different than jumping into the deep end of the pool. What matters is clarity “in the moment”. One more thought This essay is a meditation on marriage more than it is a meditation on the Lifestyle. The couples we know in the Lifestyle are far better adjusted than most we know in our vanilla lives. They are ‘more happily married’ than many we know among family, neighbors, co-workers and from other walks in our vanilla lives. One explanation is that there is a filtering process thinking about and entering the Lifestyle, and that process merely filters out the good ones. Perhaps there is something deeper. Working through the fears of consensual non-monogamy reveals a very different notion of 'forsaking all others'. People in the Lifestyle actually do forsake all others but on an emotional level. After accepting non-monogamy, it is that unshakeable emotional bond that remains. Marriage takes on the character of a spiritual relationship wherein the intensity depends only on that emotional commitment to share life's journey. Why do long-term Lifestyle couples stay with their partner? Simply because they cannot imagine going through life with anyone else. We find ourselves energized around other Lifestyle couples. Yet eventually we –and they-- go home. We go home with our spouses. Not simply because we want to, nor that we have to. We go home together because our union has become more precious, more fundamental to our very being than our separate lives. Barash, D. P. and J. E. Lipton (2001). The myth of monogamy : fidelity and infidelity in animals and people. New York, W. H. Freeman and Co. Russell, B. (1938). Marriage and morals. New York, Sun Dial Press. Ryan, C. and C. Jethá (2010). Sex at dawn : the prehistoric origins of modern sexuality. New York, Harper. Vaughan, P. (2003). The monogamy myth : a personal handbook for recovering from affairs. New York, Newmarket Press. Yalom, M. (2012). How the French invented love : nine hundred years of passion and romance. New York, NY, Harper Perennial.

Your wife isn't a swinger, thats the problem. You were hot wifing. She got to have her cake and didn't have to come to grips with her jealousies and insecurities. You came to grips with yours a while ago, you wanted her to play around, and she did. Then suddenly she sees you doing the same and that visceral green monster comes out even though logically there is no reason she should have it. But thats only part of the problem. The real problem is that you don't communicate, or more she doesn't. If you can't talk about sex and swinging, you can't really be a swinger, communication is the most important swinger "trait". Finally by giving her the option for other men without you, you have created a grass is greener situation. She has a place she can go when she leaves you if she chooses. Basically you done goofed. It happens all the time here, and I really makes me sad because we have seen marriages die on this board do to these kind of mistakes. It will be up to your wife to rationalize her behavior and emotions.

My thoughts on this...you probably have been talking about this with your partener for quite some time. She may not have wanted to talk to you everyday about it since you seem very persistant. However, you did talk to her about this many times. I would be willing to bet that all of this was your idea. I would bet that you practically pushed her out the door to go out with this other guy. I would bet that you repeatadly told her that you only wanted to see her with another girl and would love just to watch. You may have even said I would never fuck anybody else unless you wanted me to or demanded you to do so. She sounds like the type of girl that sex is personal to. She probably told you that that would never turn her on. She probably went out of her way to set us this so called 3some to give u that 2 girl blowjob that you wanted. you probably confused and hurt her when you asked to fuck her friend because you said that that would never happen. Everyone was probably drunk. she never told you to fuck someone, you asked. Did you look at her in the eye and ask? Cause a husband should always know. She shouldn't have said yes. Sounds like she just wanted to make you happy since you ended up wanting something you never verbally expressed to her before. she does have some responsibility in saying yes. however my advise would be stick to what was discussed many times, then talk about your feelings and desires afterwards so you can make a plan for the next time. But it doesn't sound like there will be a "next time". Good luck to you sir.