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As you two know, we're the same way. Just don't have the amount of free time as we'd like to go out often so we take advantage when we actually can arrange a night out. To the OP, if the vibe wasn't right on the first meet, why do you think it would be different the second time? If you have the opportunity to meet up again, it wouldn't hurt. For us it isn't worth the time and money to go out with a couple if the vibe wasn't right. The way you wrote about it, I don't understand how you think it would be better on a second meet. And we've found the 4-way match is very difficult to get. Our approach is 'are they attractive?'...'are they relatively fun to be around?'...let's get naked. I don't want to hear about their lousy job. I don't want to hear about their politics. I don't want to hear how the woman doesn't like her thighs/boobs/whatever. I want some laughs during dinner. I want general flirting, smiling...just fun. If they're uptight, the naked time will likely be awkward. Again, we want to have fun. Naked fun.

We take a different approach to the lifestyle. We'll find potential matches via the website. We'll exchange texts/chat, emails, maybe talk on the phone. If we seem like a match, we meet up for a lite dinner/hors d'oeuvre with the expectation of playing. Due to work, family, etc we don't have the opportunity to get out for multiple meet-ups. If we did the whole first meet, second meet....we'd end up 6 months out without doing anything. And we'd be out multiple dinners, multiple nights with babysitters, etc. That approach doesn't work for us.

I don't really understand the fascination with anal. With oral and vaginal feeling so wonderful why spend the time somewhere that isn't as pleasurable? I've talked to many men about this topic. Some say it is about the tightness. That would make some sense but without a bottle of lube, you don't slide very well in and out of the tightness. I've heard the attraction is more along the lines of pain/pleasure, the idea of doing a woman up the ^%%#$% but again, I don't understand that. From my perspective, the whole point of sex is to please a woman...to engulf the woman in a nearly unbearable amount of ecstasy. So the pain/pleasure mindset, doing a woman hard, etc escapes me. To each their own.

I live in an apartment complex that has many sidewalks. On this beautiful Sunday morning, I'm sitting on my patio, watching the foot traffic, many. of them are attractive women of all ages. I can't stop myself from wondering how many of them got laid last night - and how many were screwed by men who weren't their significant other. I'm betting at least a couple of them. Okay, so I'm a pervert . . .

When bored and I'm at the grocery store, I take extra time and go slowly down each isle. Fun to stop and imagine the fun/naughty things the other shoppers might of done the night before.

No question that 4-way matches are elusive. They begin with strong matches within each couple. Next, they require interest by all parties in finding a 4 way match. Finally there has to be luck. Thinking back on our (individual, before we met) dating experiences, it took a long time to find pairings that were at least interesting, longer still to find ones that would last beyond 2 dates, and ultimately a very long time to find each other. While it is true that swinger dating comes with no expectations beyond pleasant time together, there still has to be pairing. Moreover, there has to be complementary pairing (two pairs). Those are long-but-not-impossible odds. It's for precisely this reason that we...and maybe others...regard those great 2+2 pairings as exceptional and worth holding on to.

We are constantly talking on the phone trying to plan our next time. Our talk is very educational to me and at time very sexual because I ask too many questions. They are way more experienced in swinging so I ask her my crazy questions. I told her I post on this Swingersboard most people have been so nice and give advice that helps. The nice thing about her is she is my age and sees things like I do. She also understands my bisexual feelings and my fears. She told me about the men and their penises, actually their cocks. I asked her about the uncircumcised ones, she says she has only seen a few. I didn’t know it started as a religious thing. We talked about shapes and sizes she sees, she put in perspective that most people are the same but different. That makes sense to me. I admitted that I saw penises before I was married but only my own vagina or pussy. Now I’m learning how others look and how to explore. She thinks I worry too much. I think we are getting along.

When i was in college i was sorta dating a girl and one night in a college bar my friend told me she was there with another guy and when i found her she was making out with him. Holy shit that turned me on like crazy. She saw me too and was apologetic but i told her not to worry it was fine. Somehow when she heard me say that she turned her attention back to me and we went back to her place and fucked all night. Ever since then i have encouraged every girl i dated to engage in this game - mostly unsuccessfully. As for me i'm just wired that way. It drives me wild seeing my woman flirt and make out with others and 10x moreso if they actually fuck. And from my experience the "Bar Pickup Game" drives the ladies wild as well. It's a win/win/win 😁

...and how many got screwed by men while their significant other watched 😁

We got that one. Rechargeable one and it was so good we never got to try the other ones. No comparison to a battery vibrator.

HE HE.....apparently not for me! 😆