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We're with you, although we frame the questions slightly differently. When we meet a (new to us) couple, there are four questions we ask ourselves... 1. Does this couple seem like a couple? Are they on the same page? Do we sense that they are here together and to have fun? 2. Is there activity between the ears? (Maybe we're selective, but that 4-way connection involves that laughter during dinner and that in turn means that the cerebral cortex has to work. ) Can they talk about things other than weather and sports? 3. Do they treat others well? That dinner you mentioned usually involves (anonymous) waitstaff. Are they kind to others? 4. Can we see ourselves naked in the hot tub with them? This is our version of "are they attractive?" that you mentioned. All of that seems pretty simple, even "low bar". Surprising (to us at least) it is neither simple nor an easy bar to clear.

tried about every option and the razor is by far the best, less "trauma" by far

Would they have felt differently if you wore a condom ( I am presuming you didn’t)?

No question that 4-way matches are elusive. They begin with strong matches within each couple. Next, they require interest by all parties in finding a 4 way match. Finally there has to be luck. Thinking back on our (individual, before we met) dating experiences, it took a long time to find pairings that were at least interesting, longer still to find ones that would last beyond 2 dates, and ultimately a very long time to find each other. While it is true that swinger dating comes with no expectations beyond pleasant time together, there still has to be pairing. Moreover, there has to be complementary pairing (two pairs). Those are long-but-not-impossible odds. It's for precisely this reason that we...and maybe others...regard those great 2+2 pairings as exceptional and worth holding on to.

...and how many got screwed by men while their significant other watched 😁

RMRx2, It's in Plano and is called Body Essentials. 972-596-2470 dial 2 when it answers. Tell them Fred sent you. It was $125 (1/2 price Summer sale) for the first visit and a followup. I'm clean in all the areas she worked on. Your hair doesn't grow all the time so you may have to return. Also, she may not hit all the spots you want done the first time. The lady is very good at putting you at ease but I like being naked in front of good-looking ladies so it wasn't a problem for me. I didn't have any skin irritation BYRMV.

Rabbyt, thanks for the update doesn't sound near as bad as I would have thought I would really like to find a better option if I can muster up the "balls" I give it a try

I've shaved for a few years as has my wife. Recently, we both had laser removal done. They won't do the scrotum at the shop I went to but will do the rest including the anal area. It's really quite nice and seems to be permanent.

I did try waxing my stuff once several years ago, luckily there was a bar right next to the waxing studio! It was a very interesting experience bantering with a very hot girl who was handling your penis, testicles and then turned you over to do your butthole. I remember one of those "Riiips" where I stopped talking in mid sentence. She said, "That one hurt, huh." I loved it for about a week, then the red bumps set in and i started on some Keflex, to no avail. The rash seemed to last forever, I was thinking that any benefit that I got from having a smooth unit was lost by the unsightly red rash. So now I stick with the beard trimmer. My wife got waxed regularly for a few years, and it permanently altered her bush. Now there's a dead spot right where her landing strip would be. The biggest disappointment in waxing is when they tell you not to have sex for 2-3 days. I though that was the whole point!