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We too have been going to Sandy Hook and enjoy being with friends nude. Our friends introduced us to swinging and nude bathing, think their is a correlation, not all nudist are swingers. Recently while walking with my wife I saw a woman I work with walking with another woman. I am not sure who felt more awkward, me, my wife or the coworker. Neither of us have been to the office since the pandemic which led to extended conversation neither of us bringing up the elephant on the beach. We are both senior management, work together but as equals. I don’t know much about her personal life, our office contact is purely professional. There is no way she wasn’t checking me out as I was trying not to be obviously checking her and her friend. I am sure what happened, seeing a coworker or neighbor is nothing new. Lucky we are still on remote work from home and we won’t soon be in that awkward situation of being in the office together. How have others handled the unplanned sighting? Do you acknowledge the meeting back at work? My wife keeps saying she bets she swings. I say no way.
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Our son found out and he resents us.
distraughtparents replied to Hiimnew's topic in Swinging Situational HELP!
Somebody on reddit recommended to come here. Our son(23M) was returning one of our bags we left at his house a week ago. He decided to return it late at night last Saturday. Our "party" ended and we had people leaving. Apparently, when he reached out front door we had couples leaving and talking about the party. My wife opened the door in shock. He threw the bag on the floor "Here's your stuff, sorry if I interrupted your orgy." My wife, as usual started blowing up his phone. My wife had the phone on speaker. He picked up the fourth time and "Mom we can talk about this on Friday at my place but I want to be left alone for this week. Friday came and we were sitting at his place. He let out a lot of his frustrations. He said "You guys were basically gone every other weekend when I was 16 years old. Was the only time you guys were at home was because you didn't have any fuck buddies to suck and fuck?" I told him to watch the way he spoke to us and that we did still spent time on the days we didn't go nor we gone for the whole weekend. He responds "Yeah name one time you guys did anything with me on an individual basis? You guys were attached to the hip basically. I was actually jealous of your relationship. How fucked up is that! I used to think it's nice and all how much you love each other but couldn't show me the same amount of love and attention. I used to get sick seeing you snuggle with each other like teenagers whenever we used to watch a movie together. You used to tease me about it but you had no idea how I felt inside." I responded with telling him that a romantic relationship and a parent child relationship are completely different. He gets pissed off and said" Don't insult my intelligence. I know that. It's still doesn't change you guys cared more about each other. I've seen how girlfriend's parents love on her. I used to get jealous. By the way, mom, yes my girlfriend isn't a big fan of yours. She doesn't respect you as my parents. The reason I didn't share how I felt when I was at home because it felt humiliating." My wife starts bawling in tears and starts begging for forgiveness while reaching out for a hug. He rebukes and calls her a whore. I started seeing red and I was up in his face telling him to watch his mouth. He then responds with saying "What are you going to do man-whore. I shouldn't be calling you a man. Get the fuck out of my house before I lose control." My wife has called out for going to work tomorrow and today. She hasn't left the bed and is crying. I've been crying all night. My son hates my guts and I don't know what to do. *Note: there's alot more cursing, so paraphrased the stuff he said -
Hello again, some of you have asked about another chapter in the novel I’m working on. The truth is I’ve been busy with another project and have been tinkering with this one sporadically. A few months ago I posted what I planned on being the first chapter in this. After some thought, I decided to expand on one of the characters more and came up with this as the first chapter and moving the other post to a later section. One of the aspects I’m attempting to portray is both the traumatic as well as the pleasurable side of the lifestyle. In this chapter, I illustrate what most in the lifestyle find as the subject of their nightmares. Instead of seeing it through the eyes of the participants I chose to see it through the eyes of the apparent victim. Being it’s in the form of a novel I wanted to lead the reader to a desire to read further to answer the questions presented. Again your thoughts are welcomed, drop me a line and let me know what you think. Also, let me know if this chapter would motivate you to want to read on if you picked up a book and read this as the first chapter. Thanks. Chapter I Barbra Jones grew up as the only child of loving parents in a rural setting outside Elkhart, Indiana. Both parents took stringent steps to ensure their daughter is afforded every opportunity for a distinguished life. Educated in the most prestigious parochial schools from preschool through high school, the focus of her life was on her becoming a well educated righteous and God fearing woman. From her earliest memory, her structured existence included church every Sunday and grace before every meal. Barbra's parents were both professionals, her father, Johnathon a prominent cardiologist and her mother, Marideth, a successful attorney. Other than a strong religious foundation, education became the second most crucial aspect of her being. By Barbra's junior year, the fruits of her parent's labors begin paying dividends when the academic scholarships started showing up in the mail. In early March Barbra received the scholarship offer the family waited on with nervous anticipation. The full ride academic scholarship from the University of Notre Dame is the crowning achievement in Barbra's young life. From the day this scholarship arrived the following five years is established. She would spend one more year ensuring her GPA remained high, and then she would move to South Bend to attend college. Time passed in a blur of activity for Barbra. She served as student body president her senior year. In April she learned she would be Valedictorian for her graduating class. With all her activities, her preparation for college, along with the swim team and debate club Barbra had no time for boys or any type of relationships outside her family. Every stage of Barbra's life passed with seamless ease. She barely noticed when childhood gave way to adolescence. Her next transition she expected to be just as smooth as all the others. At eighteen years old she's too busy to give much thought to what she's missed out on during each period of her life, or anticipate what she might face in the next. Barbra's existence was goal focused, give up the things most teenagers take for granite to reap more significant rewards later in life. On a warm April afternoon, Barbra arrived home after spending several hours in the library researching aspects of her graduation speech. On entering the kitchen, she found her mother placing the finishing touches on a sandwich tray. "This looks great mom, do you mind if I eat one, I'm starved." "Keep your hands out of there young lady, we're hosting card club tonight. But I could use a hand serving tonight if you would like to pitch in and help?" "Spending a night serving a group of old people isn't my idea of a good time Mom, no thanks." Marideth gave her daughter a knowing glance. "Speaking of tonight, what do you have planned honey?" "Nothing really, Beckey and I are going out with some girls from school. We will probably just hang out together having fun." "You aren't going to be with a bunch of boys are you?' Marideth asked. "Mother, you know full well that you keep me far too busy to spend time with boys." "There better not be. Barbra you're at the brink of seeing your goals come true, and you don't want to screw that up. Boys your age only want one thing, and that would only lead to problems at this point in your life." "Please Mother, I'm eighteen, and if I want to go out with a boy, I'm old enough to make my own choices." Merideth gave Barbra a hug and a peck on the cheek. "You have fun honey, you deserve a little fun and to reward you for all your hard work. Why don't we extend your curfew till one o'clock tonight. But remember, no boys and no drinking." "Thanks Mother, you're a real life saver, I would probably rape the first boy I met if every other word out of your mouth wasn't an admonishment to stay away from them. The fact that my next drink will be my first drink ever makes the drinking admonishment an eye-opening revelation also." Barbra knew that her extended curfew probably had more to do with the card club than any reward for her. This group became the only social outlet her parents participated in regularly. They had formed the club before Barbra was born and met once every month to play Pedro. Each month one of the eight couples would host the event in the setting of a potluck dinner, cocktails, and cards. Barbra had bid her mother goodnight and had opened the front door to leave as the first of the guests arrived. After giving Mr. and Mrs. Thorn a friendly peck in passing, Barbra made her way to her car. From the start, Barbra's night failed to proceed as she planned. When Barbra showed up to pick Beckey up, Beckey met her at the door with a sheepish expression. "I can't make it tonight Barbra. Bobby called and asked me out, and I couldn't tell him no. Please don't be mad, you're aware of how long I waited for him to work up the nerve to ask me out." "No problem, you two have fun, and I'll talk to you tomorrow. Be careful though" Barbra told her friend. Barbra drove to Bill's Drive-In, the local burger stand where all the kids from school hung-out on the weekends. Over the next couple of hours, friends would stop and chat before continuing on with their evening. Some invited her to one party or another, to which she politely declined. Barbra secretly longed for the normalcy of a teenager's life. Having a boyfriend, going on dates, and having things to do that weren't totally goal focused. She realized that in time she would be grateful for her parent's strict insistence on the regimental life she'd grown up experiencing. But this realization did little to improve the way she felt tonight. She understood the necessity to remain focused on her education instead of what all the other girls were enjoying. Barbra also realized how wrong it was engaging in sexual activities before marriage. But in all honesty if not for parental insistence she would enjoy exploring the same secret pleasures as those friends of hers would be experiencing tonight. It reached the point to where Barbra felt out of place. Everybody was doing their own thing, and she didn't fit in with those activities. Most of her friends were polite and spoke to her, but it is evident her attitude didn't conform with what they had in mind. By the time Barbra pulled out of Bill's she was depressed and feeling as low as she's experienced in years. Arriving home, Barbra is forced to park in the street due to the seven cars belonging to the members of the club parked in and around the driveway. After entering the house through the garage, Barbra came to the kitchen. While preparing a cup of tea, Barbra noted with disgust that it wasn't even ten o'clock yet. It occurred to her that In her effort to gain academic success she became one of the most boring girls in town. As Barbra left to inform her parents about her being home, she experienced a pang of embarrassment. The entire card club was about to learn how boring her life was. The sight she was met with when she turned from the hallway into the den sent Barbra into a state of shock. Her father was laying on his back on the floor naked with Mrs. Thorn straddling him. Barbra looked on in awe as her father's thick penis slid in and out of Mrs. Thorn. The truth was it was the only erect penis she had ever seen in person, but she had seen pictures, and he was by far more substantial than those. Instantly the thought which past through Barbra's mind was if her mother were to see him she is going to kill him. The longer Barbra stared into the room, the better her eyes became accustomed to the dim light. A low moan drew her attention from her father. It took a moment for everything to register. Her beautiful mother was standing sideways in front of her, bent over at the waist. The erotic beauty of her mother displayed as she was took Barbra's breath away and became the only aspect in the room she's able to focus on. After a few moments, the actions of the three became clear. All three were naked and sexually engaging with one another. In shocked disbelief, Barbra absorbed the image of the penis of the man other than her father sliding erotically in and out of her virtuous mother. With each of his thrusts, Barbra marveled at the sensual sway of her mother's breast. The fixated expression on her mother as she paid homage to the cock of the man standing before her. The way her mother would twist and stroke his erect manhood before taking it all the way inside her throat. Barbra found herself fixated on the exotic contortions of her mother's face as the man continued to fuck her from behind in slow deep rhythmic strokes. Barbra had never so much as seen her parents nude, and indeed never engaging in sex. Staring at her mother, the only thing she could think of was her mother was beautiful. Never had the thought of her mother as a sexual being crossed Barbra's mind, but watching her now, the way her breasts swayed every time he thrust his dick into her, her shapely body, creamy skin, her long legs, all formed one of the sexiest visions she had ever witnessed. And especially the way her mother's eyes closed as she slid her lips over his hard cock. Unable to help herself, Barbra was becoming aroused. Every member of the group of friends was engaged in some form of sex. Barbra never gave any thought to people of this age having sex, much less involved in an orgy. They all had to be almost forty if not older, and Barbra considered this type of activity something customary for young people, not for people her parent's age. Then, from out of nowhere, a woman squatted over her fathers face. She was undulating her vagina over his mouth as he appeared to be attempting to devour her. Her mother is now being held by her hips as the man behind her is forcefully slamming himself in and out of her pussy. The penis of the man before her mother is buried to the hilt in her mouth while his balls dangle under her chin. With a handful of hair on each side of her head, he's thrusting himself into her throat. Barbra looks on in amazement as her mother cups his testicles as she fucks his cock with her willing mouth. She hears him vulgarly telling her mother, "oh baby don't stop, keep doing it like that it feels so good, oh fuck I'm cumming baby. Oh, my God woman, swallow all my jizz, suck every drop of my cum from my cock like that. Oh god, Meridith, you're the best cock sucker I ever experienced." Several moments later her mother backed her head off the cock she brought to an orgasm. Instead of her being upset by the things this man told her, she appears pleased. As she looks up into his eyes, she runs her tongue over the tip of his manhood with a sexy smile. The man fucking her thrusts himself all the way inside her and begins to convulse in his own orgasm. Barbra slowly backed away, embarrassed and confused by what she had witnessed. She had not only seen her mother treated like a whore but also the amount of enjoyment received from being treated in that way. Her father was having sex with two women at the same time, and her mother didn't seem to mind at all. For the next hour, she sat curled up on her bed in a state of shock. Barbra rose from the bed as if having an out of body experience. Staring at her reflection in the mirror of her dresser she removes one article of clothing at a time until she's examining her naked image. In shock, Barbra realizes her body is a near mirror image of her mothers'. At five foot eight inches, she's tall. Her years on the swim team has molded her hundred and twenty pounds into a tight athletic body. The only detraction from the muscular form she strived for is her oversized breasts. The other aspect of the image she saw is the glimmering sheen on the inside of her thighs. What she saw tonight is wrong in every way, for her entire life she has been taught never to engage in this form of depravity. Yet her parents relished the acts they were involved in. The most confusing aspect for Barbra wasn't in the decadence they were engaged in, it was from how much seeing them in that way stimulated her. Incapable of removing the vision of her parents from her mind Barbra slid between her sheets naked. Unable to control the urge she slowly reached down and touched herself in a way she never had before. As her soft fingertip touched her clitoris, her young body experienced an almost electrical shock. The pleasure generated became more intense than any she's ever experienced. In mere moments, with her finger a blur over her clit, Barbra experienced her first orgasm. Barbra spent a restless night with the images of her parent's activities flowing through her dreams. She was awakened the following morning by a soft tapping on her door, "Barbra honey, breakfast is ready. Get up and come down to join us." The normalcy of her mother's voice is out of character to the woman she witnessed last night. "I'll be down in a minute Mom, let me get dressed." Barbra sat on the edge of the bed, shocked to find she was still naked. She waited while holding the sheet around her until she heard her mother walk away. She ran into her bathroom and jumped in the shower as she attempted to wash the filth she felt was caked on her body away. Barbra immediately flopped down in her chair when she arrived in the kitchen, not trusting her wobbling legs to maintain her weight. Her father was quietly reading the Sunday paper to her left. The visualization in Barbra's mind as she glanced at him was of his enormous erect penis pounding into Mrs. Thorn. Her mother said something which drew her attention, but Barbra had no idea what she said. Instead, as she glanced toward her mother the perception of her mother standing naked giving pleasure to two different men filled her mind. "Barbra, are you all right?" her mother asked in an authoritative tone. "I'm fine, why?" "Because I asked you three times if you want eggs and pancakes and you seemed to have been in a trance. Were you drinking last night Barbra?" her mother demanded. Her mother's accusation angered Barbra, how dare she conduct herself as a whore then accuse her of something of this nature, knowing she never misbehaved in her life. "Did you just accuse me of something you're fully aware of my never engaging in Mother? I find this the most insulting thing I ever experienced from you." The glare exchanged between mother and daughter conveyed a female level of communication only understood by women. Merideth's legs were suddenly too weak to maintain a standing position requiring her to grip the countertop to keep from slumping to the floor. With a wide-eyed expression of shock, she stared into Barbra's accusatory eyes and suddenly realized Barbra knew her secret. Unaware of what to do or say Merideth stared pleadingly into her daughter's knowing stare. As Merideth took a tentative step toward Barbra, her daughter sprang from her chair and rushed from the room. Once in her room tears of frustration flowed down Barbra's cheeks. She found herself more confused than either hurt or mad. Barbra isn't even disappointed in her parents. She didn't understand why they would portray something which apparently brought them a great deal of pleasure as something so evil. Her entire life Barbra had been taught the evils of sex and how it was morally wrong to engage in out of wedlock. Yet this message was not the values maintained by them. With the truths of her existence now in question, Barbra was mentally lost. A soft knock on her bedroom door brought her mind back to the present. "Barbra, it's Mom, may I come in please?" When Barbra failed to answer Merideth slowly opened the door. Seeing Barbra's emotional state, Merideth closed the door behind her before sitting on the bed beside Barbra. Mother and daughter sat together in awkward silence for several moments. "What's the matter honey, did something happen last night to upset you? Is it something you would like to discuss or something I might be able to help with?" Barbra has so many questions she had no idea where to start. In the confused state she was in she knew she' was in no condition to approach any of this. "Yes Mother something upset me, and no, I don't want to talk about it right now. Maybe later, but I don't know if I'll ever be at a place in my mind which would allow me to speak about this." Marideth stared at her daughter with pain-filled eyes for a long moment. "Barbra you can talk to me about anything without fear of my reaction. If somebody hurt you, tell me about it, I want to provide you with any help I can." "Really Mother, your reaction isn't all that important to me any longer. My problem is I'm not sure I'm ready to hear any more of your lies. You lied to me about everything, and what bothers me is I believed everything you told me." "Barbra how dare you to call me a liar, what's gotten into you?" her mother demanded. "You can rest assured Mother whatever it is, it damn well wasn't two dicks at the same time!" Barbra shouted. "Don't be rude, young lady, you're speaking to your mother." "I'm well aware of who I'm talking to Mother, and I'm also aware that you and dad have been fucking lying to me for my entire life!" Barbra exclaimed. "Barbra Jean, watch your language. I will not have that vulgarity used in my home." "I'm sorry Mother, I didn't think a woman who takes care of men two at a time would be so offended by my language" Barbra replied sarcastically. "Barbra, what are you talking about?" "Oh give it up Mother. I came into the den last night to say goodnight and found you being fucked by one man while giving a blow job to another. So you can stop being the hypocrite you've always been and start being honest with me. Is there anything you told me factual or have you lied to me about everything in life?" Merideth placed her head in her hands concealing her face. "Let me get your father, I think he needs to be included in this conversation." "That's up to you, but I don't need for him to explain how much he enjoyed fucking Mrs. Thorn. I think if you insist on having a conversation with me you might as well cover the things I should be aware of before I explore the attraction of this activity for myself." "Slow down honey, let's talk about this before you go off and do something you'll regret later. First of all, you're far too young to be engaging in sex. So it isn't necessary for you to be in a rush to start down that road" her mother told her. "Isn't that a little hypocritical Mother? I'm not sure when you and Dad first started this group of yours, but I know you mentioned it was before I was born. Being you had me before your twentieth birthday, and I assume you didn't get pregnant the first time you and Daddy did it. I presume you started having sex when you were my age if not younger." "Honey I'm so sorry," her mother said, "I never meant to embarrass you. I promise you we will never do anything like this again. Please tell me what I can do to make amends to you for the pain and confusion we've caused." "Give it a rest Mother. If you would like to make it up to me, then start being honest with me. Both of you are good hard working people who gave me everything in life except for the truth. I don't believe either of you would engage in anything which is wrong. You're involved in something the two of you have enjoyed for the past twenty years. The only question I can come up with is why you both lied to me about this the entire time. If this behavior is alright for the two of you, then it should be good enough for me, being I'm no longer a child." Meridith worked herself into a state of near hyperventilation. "Barbra are you saying, I mean do you mean, oh my God, do you want us to allow you to join us in this? You didn't really mean that did you honey?" "Why not Mother? I've seen how much the two of you enjoy this activity. I couldn't think of a more enjoyable or safer way to be educated in becoming a sexually active adult. Of course, if you're not interested, I guess I can always go out on my own and find somebody to teach me all I need to know." Merideth's face turned ashen as she stared at her daughter with a confused expression. After several moments of silence, she rose from the bed and opened the door. "John, John, would you please come here." Johnathon stuck his head into the hallway from the den, "What do you need honey?" "John I wouldn't have asked you to come up here if I didn't need you up here, now will you leave that damned game so we can get your input on this!" Merideth demanded. John begrudgingly left his game and came into his daughter's room. "OK Merideth, I'm here. Now, what the hell is so important it couldn't have waited until after the game?" "John, Barbra knows everything." "Everything about what Merideth, what are you rambling about? What does she know about?" Barbra interjected herself into the conversation. "I know you enjoyed fucking Mrs. Thorn, and the other woman seemed thrilled with your oral skills. I also know how much pleasure mother received from taking care of their husbands while you were seeing to their wives' desires. From the joy I observed from both of you, it was obvious the lies you been teaching me of a chaste life don't apply to the two of you." "Barbra I'm sorry you saw what you did last night, this isn't what you think it was though. It was just that things got carried away and went too far. I can assure you it will never happen again" John explained. "Daddy this has been going on since before I was born, and it's definitely something the two of you enjoy. I'm not asking the two of you to give up anything which brings you pleasure. What I'm asking is for you to explain the truth about all of this, and allow me the same pleasures the two of you find so much joy in now that I'm an adult." "Barbra I know this must have shocked you and you haven't had time to think this through yet. Once you do, you'll understand you're too young to engage in something like this," John explained. "I think what we all should do is to pray for guidance while your mother and I make amends for the sins we've committed." "Daddy you can do whatever you want to. You can ask God for the forgiveness of your sins over the last twenty years, you can claim I'm not old enough for the things you and mom enjoy and have enjoyed since you were my age, or you can help me understand the attraction of this. It doesn't matter what you decide to do I'm going to be exploring this one way or another. You can provide me with guidance, or I'll find somebody else who will explain these things to me. You need to understand that I'm going to be a woman in all sense of the word before I graduate." Johnathon stared at his daughter in bewilderment. His mind felt as if it was frozen as no course of action came forth. "Barbra, I need a drink. After that, your mother and I should have a conversation before this goes any further. Would you mind giving us a little privacy for a few minutes and I promise you we'll continue this conversation then." "Go ahead Daddy, have your little chat while I get myself together. I will meet you both in an hour if that would be alright with you." Johnathon and Merideth glanced at each other as they walked down the stairs. After fixing them both a stiff drink, they continued to stare at one another with neither able to come up with a solution to the problem they knew they needed to find an answer to. Exactly one hour later Johnathon was on his second scotch when Barbra walked into the den. Johnathon looked at her in a state of confusion as she entered the room. Her hair was styled as if planning on going out, she had applied a slight accent of make-up, and was in a pair of five-inch heels. Other than that she was wearing a white terrycloth robe. "I took a shower and feel much better now, I hope both of you have had a chance to come to grips with this." "Barbra, I can understand how you must feel about this revelation. Your mother and I are at a loss as to how to express how sorry and remorseful we are to put you through this. We will do whatever it takes to prove to you we both love you and will do anything to make amends to you. Your request for us to explain this activity to you, however, is something you're too young to understand right now." Barbra looked somberly at her father as she nodded her head in silent thought. Slowly she rose from her chair as she took a couple of steps toward the door. "Daddy, would you and mother mind honestly answering just one question for me?" "If we can, we'll answer anything on your mind. What is it?" Barbra paused for a moment before turning to face them both. As she did, she parted the robe and placed her lushes naked body on full display for both of them. "Do you honestly think this is the body of a woman who isn't old enough or mature enough for the secrets of sexual fulfillment? Or would have any trouble finding somebody willing to teach her those secrets?" Johnathon stared in shocked disbelief at the mirror image of a body he had fallen in love with twenty years prior. With the clinical efficiency of a medical exam, he studied every curve and dimple. With a satisfied smile, Barbra closed her robe. Staring directly at her father's crotch, "If that's any indication of the response I can expect I don't think I'll have any problem finding the help needed to learn the things I want to know." As Barbra exited the den Johnathon absently glanced down toward his crotch to discover he was fully erect. As he attempted to conceal his reaction to seeing his daughter's display, he glanced at his wife. "Merideth, we've got a big problem with your daughter, and you need to come up with a way to rectify it." "Johnathon, she's our daughter, not just mine." "No, my daughter is an honor student on her way to Notre Dame. Your daughter is about to fuck all that up, now do something about it before it’s too late."
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Hi everyone, We do our best to keep your fun life and our vanilla life separate. However a few friends found out recently and my wife received this email from the female half of the other couple. We don't even know where to go from here...let's see what you think. Sorry for the length, she rambles and tries to sound smart with big words. Here is one part... There are many things that I have seen that I do not necessarily agree with and I am not one to judge as I have done my fair share of crazy things. First, but I think above all else, I keep morality a priority. As you know, everyone has their threshold of what they could or couldn't tolerate in a relationship, so I am no one to butt into your life -- I just don't think I could agree with the kinds of things that I have heard (or activities) that you are now a part of. Truth is, I really did look up to you. Not only as a person, but as a friend. What I should say is that I feel some what ashamed. I don't approve of your lifestyle lately (again I am not your parent for you to be concerned at all on anything that I say, as I am just expressing the way I feel) and by that I mean, the constant drinking, the photos published on ****** of you bending over in front of other men/women, etc. I feel as if I were to not check your ****** in several months, I wouldn't miss a thing -- I would see the same pictures just different backgrounds. Again, please don't take this offensively, just try to understand what I am saying. then she goes on... I am not sure if the way I perceive things have changed since my priorities in life have shifted since I first met you. I just feel like somewhere along the lines, you lost sense of who you really are. You have always had a more open mind than me -- and I guess that's where we differ, however, I think there is a fine line between morality and dignity. Whatever you and *husband* do in private is none of my business and by all means completely out of my league, and I trust that hopefully, *husband* will always have your best interest at heart. I have always been very old fashioned in my way of thinking and please forgive me if you find any of what I am saying to be insulting, but marriage to me is sacred. I think marriage is between two people and two people only. As I could agree with you, I think everyone should have fun and try things at least once, however, I am scared to think that you could possibly be taking this swinging thing to a whole new level. Again, I am limited as to my conclusions because I am not involved in your life, so please correct me if you deem it necessary. ......................... My wife wrote back saying I thought best friends were friends no matter what. I mean now I feel like we are being judged. As in this community we know can happen from time to time. But why would someone write something like this? To end a friendship? To get you to stop? I'm confused and actually angered. I need my swinging community to back me up here. Is this a little out of line? To complicate matters, I am the godfather of their child. And no, they never married. LoL. imagine that. To someone who marriage is sacred? Advice on where to go from here with this?
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While this is news, it is not particularly positive news. Re: Jerry Falwell, Jr and his family, for example here: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-falwell-relationship/ Here are the first two paragraphs of the report: WASHINGTON – In a claim likely to intensify the controversy surrounding one of the most influential figures in the American Christian conservative movement, a business partner of Jerry Falwell Jr has come forward to say he had a years-long sexual relationship involving Falwell’s wife and the evangelical leader. Giancarlo Granda says he was 20 when he met Jerry and Becki Falwell while working as a pool attendant at the Fontainebleau Miami Beach hotel in March 2012. Starting that month and continuing into 2018, Granda told Reuters that the relationship involved him having sex with Becki Falwell while Jerry Falwell looked on. Ignoring the political aspects of the timing of all of this, there are some takeaways. 1. Political leanings are irrelevant to biological drives, sexual fantasies, and the behaviors that follow. 2. The problems arise from the evident hypocrisies: preaching 'family values' (however defined) while practicing something beyond a standard of marital monogamous heterosexuality. 3. Institutions and groups that perpetuate such hypocrisies typically respond the same way, namely by denouncement and expulsion of the person(s) who have been "found out" and restatement of the institutional/group value. 4. There is a business dispute including accusations of extortion folded into all of this. It is absurd to imagine that leaders are somehow immune from fantasies and the intentions to act on those fantasies. What would be more helpful are commonsense boundaries between public and private lives as well as reasonable display of integrity. Even then, humans find ways to accommodate 'sinful behaviors' while embracing integrity: Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds? Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! [a croupier hands Renault a pile of money] Croupier: Your winnings, sir. Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much. [aloud] Captain Renault: Everybody out at once! Neither the evangelical community nor Mr. Falwell's employers should be "shocked, shocked" to find that (even) their annppointed spokesperson enjoyed variety in sexual expression, apparently with the knowledge and consent and participation of his wife of 34 years. Adopting the usual denouncement-and-expulsion-upon-being-found-out strategy ("Do as we say, not what he did!--He was weak and you must be strong!") merely reinforces the idealized pretense of purity. The reality is that tensions between sexual suppression and sexual expression are as old as civilization. While individuals and institutions can impose rules on themselves and set expectations for others, a bit of realism would be welcome: the aforementioned tensions cannot be "wished away". At the same time, business dealings with playmates might be predicted to end badly, as appears to have happened in this case. The Reuters article concludes: In a statement released Friday, before news of the relationship with Granda became public, Liberty University said its “decision whether or not to retain Falwell as president has not yet been made.” Its board of trustees, the statement read, “requested prayer and patience as they seek the Lord’s will and also seek additional information for assessment.”
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The owner of the local club (Not named here -- libel laws and all that) in Fredonia, NY, was arrested this morning, and it's all over the local papers and news media. Perhaps I should say 'arrested again'. Selling stolen goods, selling narcotics, prescription meds, and even money laundering according to one news outlet. This club owner runs a couple of businesses out of the property -- a Pawn Shop, RV rental, Jewelry store, and the swing club! -- all out of the back of a former bowling alley. He's been arrested for narcotics, there's allegations of fire insurance fraud, and receiving leniency in a plea deal in a murder investigation a number of years back. This is The Club in Western New York and Pennsylvania. How on Earth are we supposed to have any goodwill in the community -- in terms of zoning laws, business licensing, or even something as basic as sex-positivity or acceptance of alternative lifestyles -- if this crap is the public face of Swingers? The usual complaints are "It will bring crime!" or "It will degrade the neighborhood!" "Those people are immoral criminals!" Well, d*mn it -- it seems Dick and Jane Uptight are spot-on correct about it. We (Mr/Mrs SJ Bluebirds) did not attend this club; we -- and others -- have known the owner was 'unsavory' at best. But we thought as long as he kept things above-board and legal, nobody who attends the club would be affected. But now I'm p*ssed off about it, and now understand that this sets any and all advances in sexual tolerance back 50 years in this community. This is why we can't have nice things. F*ck it.
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So I had a interesting chat with my daughter last night. She's been having trouble dealing with this narcissistic female friend of her boyfriend's, whom she has tried to befriend herself, but who insists on doing everything in her power to drive the poor girl insane. For the record, my daughter is vanilla, and has a bit of a problem with jealousy, so it's really hard for me to not advise her to just let the boy fuck her, get bored with her mud-puddle-deep personality, and brush her off. Get it out of his system, you know? Life is too short for this kind of stressful bullshit. Anyway, long story short, I'm trying to help her deal with this self-focused, poisonous little biatch, and went on to relate a story about my friend. "I could tell you this story," I said, "but...it's...really...like...TMI. So much TMI. Like you won't be able to look at (my friend) ever the same again." "You don't even talk to her anymore, Mom." "I know, but it's really....REAL." "It's okay, Mom," she assured me, "I've seen your and Dad's search history." -- Silence -- I gave her a questioning look, to elaborate. Because I'm sure as hell not going to be the one to flop that one out there on the table. Nope. She wants the truth, she can damn well ask for it. "Swinging?" she said, "AFF?" I laughed, actually not missing a beat. "Yeah. Well. There you go." "So did you and, uh...(friend) ever, uh..." "Oh GOD no." I exclaimed. "No no no no no. There are some rules..." "Oh so there ARE some rules then?..." "Oh yes, there are rules." I said, "One of them is that you don't fuck your close friends." I proceeded to tell her about the nightmare threesome experience my friend and her husband had with a vampiric, soul-sucking bitch who got off on shattering marriages. The point was to outline how destructive narcissists can be, and how relentlessly devious and cunning they are. So after regaling her with that gem, she sat back digesting it, and then said, "So can I ask you a question?" "Sure!" I said. I'm thinking 'This is FANTASTIC!' "I mean, only if you want to! Your business is your business, if you're uncomfortable with it..." "No, I don't mind at all. This is fun, actually!" "Okay." she said. "So, how do you guys do it? Like, how does it work?" She meant, as in, how do we have such a great relationship while fucking other people? "It works really, really well, actually." "Oh." She seemed surprised and hopefully more at ease because of my frankness and comfort with talking openly about it. "It obviously doesn't work for everyone," I said, "But for us, it's been great. You have to be able to trust one another enough to do it. And it's more about wanting to be able to give one another more out of life." That part isn't verbatim, but something to that effect. She wondered aloud whether it might be something that her boyfriend needed. I didn't agree. I switched gears a little, and explained that this is why it's been hard to advise her before, regarding her jealous streak; my first inclination would be to tell him to go do what he's gotta do. Shrug my shoulders and let the little vampire do her worst, because in the end, she still can't touch what really matters between us. My daughter said she didn't think she could do that. I said, then, that she should not. I just know that, for her Dad and I it has more or less bomb-proofed our relationship. "Some other woman can be sitting on your Dad's knee, feeding him grapes, and it wouldn't bother me in the least." She was amused at the idea of it. "I don't give a damn, she can do whatever she wants, but if she's going to be disrespectful of me, that has nothing to do with me. I leave that up to your Dad to deal with." "Like that woman at the restaurant that time?" she asked. I had apparently been too flirty with a woman's husband after imbibing too much wine (100% unintentional), and she decided to get back at me by sitting beside my husband while I was in the ladies room, putting her hand on his leg and giving him the come-fuck-me eyes. When I returned, and saw that my spot had been taken, he looked her dead in the eye and said to me, "Here, Hon, you take my spot." Yeah. My man. She got shut DOWN. Hard. "Yeah, just like that." I said, "I just laugh about it. She can try to weasel in if she wants, and I'm just like, 'Hold on! I'll get the camera!'" She thought it was funny, and I think she was even more pleased at my willingness to talk about it. It has been a big fat-ass elephant in the room for too long. They knew. Of course they knew. But neither half of the parent-child equation knew how much the other wanted to know or reveal. I'm so glad she had the balls to bring it up. She has frequently complimented her Dad and I on our relationship in the past, and I'm sure this was a mystery to her, as she explained she suspected it for a very long time now, since they were kids. Believe me, were NOT indiscreet, we just have exceptionally observant offspring. She explained she had seen me browsing the Swingersboard, and had thought I was looking up swingsets. But she noticed some of the stuff on it was about sex. She had asked why I was on that site, and I told her because I enjoyed discussing the topic with other people. It was fascinating. She wanted to know what it was, and not wanting to lie, I believe I gave her the 10-year-old's version of the truth, which was something along the lines of 'married people who don't believe in monogamous relationships.' I DID lie when she asked if her Dad and I did that, and I told her no. I enjoyed the conversation. We never discussed it again until last night. "So are those your friends from Ottawa?" she asked. "Yes." I said, "We really like them. They're really very nice people." "Huh. That's cool." she said, "Yeah we kinda wondered about that. You know, you guys just randomly going to Ottawa to visit friends or go to a party." Because she knows that's not really 'us'. We've been social hermits for-frigging-ever. "So does your brother know, too--" "--Yeah." she said, "Oh yeah, he knows." Smart little farts. I have to say, I am actually super stoked about this. I have hated having to hide anything about ourselves from our kids. We don't get into the hairy details of what we do in the bedroom - and I have no intention of starting now - but I don't want to pretend like we don't have a sex life. And I don't want to pretend that this is not a part of who and what we are. Because it is, and it's something we both love. It's not dirty. It's not deviant. It's not harmful to our relationship, to anyone else's, or to society. It has been a very positive experience and a deeply beneficial relationship philosophy. I'm hoping we can now be more open with our kids, without having to come up with stupid cover stories that - deep down - we knew they didn't believe anyway.
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Ok, either we're not very discreet or I have a peculiar set of friends. While out last night with Mrs.DontStop and another ls couple we happened upon another set of swingers. Ok, so maybe that dancing/grinding/kissing/touching/groping that the four of us were doing didn't make it tough to point us out. But hey, we met another couple who are on Swing Lifestyle. But geez... Tonight I visit a bar that an ex-coworker of mine just opened. Cool place, we have a good time for a couple hours but we've got to leave. So the ex-coworker comes by to say goodnight to us and says "I saw your profile on Swing Lifestyle..." Funny thing is, we bumped into he and his wife last weekend. We did notice her talking to and flirting with another guy while he was a few paces behind them, talking to other friends. Mrs and I were pretty sure they were swingers because we often find ourselves in that same situation. So when we got to the bar tonight we talked suggestively and openly in his presence, but he never took the bait. And then at the end of the night he slaps us with it. Oh, the fun!
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One of the common questions around here is about what to do if you run into people you know while in a swinging environment. I figure the best way to answer this question is for those of us that have experienced this situation to share our experience. So, swinger veterans, tell us about the time you ran into people you knew during your swinger exploits. How did you handle it? What was the outcome? Did you all have a good laugh, or did the walls implode? What lessons, if any, did you learn from the experience? As for us, we've ran into a few over the years. The most recent was about two years ago, when we showed up at a club one Saturday night, started making our rounds saying hello and hugging the regulars, when one of our friends said "That guy over there says he knows you". I looked up, and staring back at me was a guy I had worked with for a while a couple of years before that. We laughed, greeted each other, introduced our wives to each other, and caught up on people we both knew but hadn't seen in a while. Now, Mrs. two4you would have gladly taken a ride on his playground, and his wife was very attractive, but I'm weird, and I nixed that idea. Even though we no longer worked together, or for the same company, it just didn't feel right to me. Our loss for sure, but that's just how my brain is wired. Now, it's your turn to tell us about that time!
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So I logged into Facebook today and my news feed had blown up with all the mention of the Ashley Madison hack and the fact that the leaked data appears to be valid. I'm not going to lie, despite the fact that Mr. Prufrock and I don't have an account with AM, my stomach dropped thinking about it. We do have accounts on SLS and SZC. When I read the articles, I was mostly upset for the broken families that are going to come from all this. Yeah, the parents messed up, but the kids are going to pay the price I briefly thought about deleting our accounts, but I'm not sure that would do anything. Apparently, AM didn't delete user's information after accounts were deleted, I wonder how many sites follow suit. So what about you guys? How do you all feel about online security and swinger's personals sites? Are you worried about your information? Will you close your accounts?
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I listen to Dan Savage a lot. I should probably just call him and ask this on the podcast. But I thought I might get feedback from swingers first. Dan Savage talks a lot about how the biggest way people who are gay or bi can support the gay rights movement is to be out. Especially bi people who appear to be in a heterosexual arrangement. This is me. I can totally relate to what he is saying. I have a friend who from the sound of it has a closeted gay teenager. She says to him, "You know I'll love you no matter what, but you do like girls, right?" She has a conservative religious background. I feel like for both their sake I should say something to her (like, "Whether he does or doesn't like girls, saying that isn't going to change anything and is going to make him afraid to disappoint you."). I feel like if I included that I am bisexual it would help. She knows me and knows I'm a good person leading a happy life. Maybe knowing me and who I really am would make things easier for her son? I also have the situation with vanilla acquaintances who say and do things that are homophobic. I'm not really afraid to come out as bi. The problem is that the way I express my bisexuality is through swinging. My husband is not in a position where we can be fully out as swingers. Plus, I feel like swinging is part of our sex life, therefore not everyone needs to know about it. I worry that if I tell people I'm bi, it will turn into a big discussion and I'll end up telling them about swinging. What do you think? Please tell me your experiences.
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Craig's list emails leads to firing Another good reason to think twice about trying to hookup on line.
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I have a problem with my main computer. I'd like to take it to one of the local shops, but since I'm on this web site plus many other similar sites, I'm reluctant to. Has anybody come up with a solution for this problem?
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BUSTED I never really had much sexual relations at home for quite a few of the years that I was single and when I did my kids were not home. Once I figured out that swallowing watermelon seeds did not cause pregnancy, I decided to cool it for a while. But once my son, who must have been about 4 at the time actually tapped on the door of our bedroom and said that it wasn't polite to make so much noise! Needless to say we were both dressed in no time flat and trying to get the little bugger back in bed. This little escapade definitely caused him to be an only child for more than another year! We were so embarrassed. In my marriage to Gene, we rarely if ever made love when the kids were awake or home. If they were home, we tried to be very quiet about it. Thankfully tho when they become teenagers they spend more time away than at home so we were allowed a lot of free time. Even though the kids are all gone now, we still reliable all of our videos with boring titles that no one in their right mind would care to watch, but we know what they really are.
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It seems like more and more often lately we are finding out that friends (or people we know) in the vanilla world are swingers too. In the last 2 years.... 1. Saw posts on a Yahoo Group that led me to find out that two different friends of mine were hitting up one of the local swinger clubs. One of the clubs happened to be the one we go to, so I figured I should let the friend know (before we ran into each other). 2. Had a friend call me a few months ago and outright ask me. Why? Oh because she and her gf had signed up on SLS and found our profile. "I always thought you guys were", she said. 3. Got a message on FB from a guy I went to HS with about how they'd seen us on "the other site" and hadn't ever contacted us. But, now that we'd friended each other on FB I guess he figured he should tell me. I never would have recognized him on SLS until I saw his FB picture (people change a lot). 4. Today, I get a message on FB from the male half of a couple we've hung out with a couple of times. The first time we met them I told Pet I thought they "looked familiar" and wondered if they were swingers. Today I get a message from the husband telling me "we've dropped our account on SLS, just thought I should let you know". Um... well geez, I never knew you had one, but I do now...lol. And, I very well may be missing one, ya never know. I'm starting to think that if you think they might be swingers.... they probably are.
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"OOPS! We totally meant to pixelate your face, but we forgot" The couple tried to sue the tv station after their daughter discovered the video online, showing her undisguised parents at a swinger club. The judge threw it out making the point that for them to sue the daughter would have to appear in court and testify to how distraught this made her, which would only leave her more distraught. Teen girl discovers 'swinging' parents online - The Local Embarrassed parents of girl, 15, who saw them swinging in sex club on TV programme win damages | Mail Online
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After reading this thread on photography and swinging, and seeing concerns about being exposed expressed, my thoughts turned to the slightly morbid, but still a possibly interesting and important subject to some. For those that are concerned about being exposed, or putting loved ones in an uncomfortable position: Do you have a Purge & Sanitize plan should the worst of possible events occur; you and your spouse pass away at the same time? Specifically, I'm thinking in terms of playtime pictures, videos, etc. Do you care who sees it at that point? What about computer access? Do you have files that you wouldn't want certain family members to see after you've gone to the big house party in the sky? Have you picked someone to come in and take care of these type of things before the family started sorting through your stuff, or do you figure "Hey, we're gone, so fuck it, they can just deal with it"? If you have picked someone to make the purge, what steps have you taken to ensure they can complete this task unhindered? Yeah, it's not the happiest or most uplifting subject to bring up, but I think it may be a worthwhile discussion.
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This question is directed mostly towards the ladies, but I welcome men to respond as well. I consider myself truly "bi" in the sense that I love exploring my sexual acts and fantasies with women, and also have "feelings" for women, in the same sense that I do men. My preference for porn is g/g, and I love embracing my "bi" side, and love that swinging allows this to take place, yet still stay in a loving relationship with my husband, who I love very much and wish to spend the rest of my life with, and have a family with. I am not sure if i would want a "girlfriend" in the sense that we are "dating" but my husband is very open minded if I want to explore a female fwb. Anyhow, I digress.... I have a best girl friend who I do also have some sexual feelings for. We are like sisters, and I feel that fantasy may be best left as a fantasy. But, sometimes the temptation is very strong. I love her as a friend so much, she is always hugging me and telling me she loves me and misses me. She wants "girl" time all the time w/ me. She compliments me at every chance. Its fun, we have a good time w/ it and I don't ever want to jeopardize our friendship. I think we both "play" with each others emotions and I don't think I would ever have the guts to "to there". My husband says the sexual tension is so fun to observe, and we chat and laugh after about the crazy things she says/does. However, Lately, I have been getting turned on by her - one afternoon i laid down in her room to rest, and she came in and changed her shirt, and told me she loves going "braless" lately. I looked up at her, and she was looking at me seductively, wearing a very revealing tank top w/ her cleavage showing and no bra under. I was so turned on, and freaked out at the same time. Last year (prior to swinging and being true to myself about my being bi), she invited me over to go swimming, and I was so sexually charged after I had to take a shower, and was fantasizing about her the whole time! She has suggested "girls only" trips... and i pick up on many things that I can point to her also being bi. I have wanted so badly to "come out" to her as a bi woman, and also a swinger, my husband jokes that "its not a matter of "if" but "when" with her. But, i think that is a fun joke and try not to take it seriously. I do find her husband also attractive, and would love to try swinging w/ them, ... but i don't think they would be open to it, and am too chicken to ask... Anyhow, when is the fantasy best left as just that... a fantasy? And, since we are "best friends" who tell each other everything, is it ever OK for me to be at least open with her about me being bi sexual? Does she have the right to know? Or is that something that I should keep to myself... ? In a way, i am tempted to tell her, in another way, its almost more fun keeping it a secret.. Thanks for any advice here! Anyone have similar feelings?
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Reading this thread on Jobs and Swinging got me thinking. If you were "found out" and had to pay consequences from others finding out you were a swinger, would you stop swinging? Or would you feel your secret was out anyway so you might as well just continue as you had been? Or would you just use more discretion?
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I know a lot of this depends on HOW you get outed, but I can't deny that there is a part of me that is less careful and discrete than I should be. I think it stems from the idealist in me: we're not doing anything to be ashamed of, it's normal and healthy, and yet I have to scurry and hide under rocks like a damned cockroach. I'd much rather just own up to it and be done with it. It's not realistic, especially considering our kids' ages, but that doesn't keep me from wishing otherwise. What about the rest of you? Are you obsessive-compulsively driven to hide your activities, or do you occasionally - oops, silly me - slip and leave a trail of breadcrumbs that a determinedly curious person could potentially follow? For example, I don't hide my internet activities as carefully as I probably should, and I make mentions of swinging-related stuff in my journal, etc. I DO clear out the history now and then, but for the most part...I just don't CARE! Now, the kids each have their own computer profile that they log into, and we have ours, so we're fairly secure that way. But if my sister, for example, happens to see something while she's using our computer during a visit or something...you know what I mean? I just don't really give a shit anymore. It irks me that I can't be exactly who I am.
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Seeing posts here about how someone lost their job over posting their pictures online, getting messages from others who want to change their screen name to "come out of the closet" a bit, and I wonder about some things. 1. Do you use the same email address to surf adult/swinger websites that you use for your family? 2. Do you post facial nude pictures on sites where they can be seen without any sort of joining process (ie. in your Yahoo Profile)? 3. Would you post said facial nude pictures in combination with information stating that you swing someplace (like a Yahoo profile) where people can see it without any sort of joining process (free or otherwise). 4. Do you use your real names (as a username or as part of your email address) when dealing with people online in regards to adult activities? If you do any of these, WHY? Why do you take such huge risks? I know we've had topics in the past about how swingers should be able to be more open about who they are and what they do, but in reality unless your job is related to swinging, your family already knows and you don't have any kids from a previous marriage, the risks are definitely there and are things you should be thinking about. It's easy for some of us who's entire lives (livelihood) is based on swinging to say that we should be more out as a group, we have a lot less to lose. But for most swingers that is not the case. Some things to think about. - Anything you post HERE (and on many other sites) can be Googled. So if your screen name is your real names, or a name you use regularly on other sites and someone Googles you, they will find you here (this is why in the registration process I suggest that you do not use your Real Names in your screen name). - If you have a profile someplace like Yahoo, anyone can view that, so be careful what you put in it. They've been used in court before. - Most sites, including this one, will do what they can to help protect you and help you be discrete but we can only do so much. You have to use common sense from the beginning. I recently saw a couple who I thought had the utmost of discretion go to all ends to wipe their online slate because they had been using screen names that were the same as names the general public knew them by and someone else decided to be indiscrete with their information. So please be careful and think things through. Think about what you may have to lose and think about what you can do to protect it. Yes, in an ideal world we all should be able to be open and honest about what we do and shouldn't be anyone else's business. But, this is not an ideal world, this is a world where what we do is still ILLEGAL in many states (the legal definition of adultery doesn't consider whether or not our spouse approves), and still considered immoral by most.
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